No Grammy thread yet? Okay.
 

Really, my question is why did the girl from Evanescence thank 50 Cent?

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Nevermind, I just read on another board that he walked on stage when they were called. I mean 'Evanescence' and '50 Cent' are pretty similar sounding...

But hopefully someone else will ask a question.

Oh yeah, who wants to start a betting pool on how many "Screw the Grammys!" replies pop up?

I wish Trachtenburg Family Slide Show was on...

50 cent is a sore loser. Maybe they didn't deserve the award and he did but have some class and suck it up.

Grammys are a joke ;)

Screw the Grammys! Okay, what's the pool up to?

that's cuz we're all over here for some reason... :p

TV Talk?!? Jeesum, that only partially makes sense.

Projected # of StGR (Screw the Grammy's-Related) for first page: 6. For entire document: 13. For NRStGR (No Really, Screw the Grammys-Related): 3. ;)

Of course, it wouldn't be the Grammy's w/o a file-sharing mention.

Did somebody say file-sharing? Well, I just want everybody to know that I was one of the kids caught downloading from the inter-a-net. And thanks to Pepsi, I'm going to keep downloading from the inter-a-net. Viva la revolucion!

what is that song called that The White Stripes played? anyone know?

They did a little medley of Seven Nation Army (from Elephant) and Death Letter (from De Stijl). It really was one of the best performances I've seen on the Grammy's in a loooooong time!

oh...screw the Grammys! ;)

haha thats great St. Anger won best Metal......ahahaha thats the worst metal album of the year, shows ya how far off they are.

Does anyone have videos of the performances? Specifically, white stripes and the foo fighters. I completely forgot about this..

havent been posted in the other thread yet.

Anyone?

Fan site WhiteStripes.net has a 48MB video download of the White Stripes performance.

http://www.vh1.com/sitewide/flipbook...w/A46C8023.jpg

The "Grammys" are one of the longest running marketing ploys in the music industries history. One day, I hope, everyone will realize this, and stop putting this B.S. award show on such a high pedestal. Like I said, it is nothing more than a way for the recording industry milk the gullable/sheep consumer for more sales. It always has been, and always will.

That being said, I say...

"Screw the Grammys"

B-b-but all the sheep already own the CDs they nominated!

Puh-lease.

Maybe we shouldnt all be so crit........oh..screw the Grammys.

thanks man - NICE!

All I remember from the Grammys was me cussing at the TV after Evanescence won Best New Artist then turning it off.

N-N-No not all of them D-do.

So puh- lease yourself.

If you can't see that what I am saying is the truth, then you are blind!!! It is a known fact that it was started as a marketing ploy. How can you not see that? It is a good way to sell even more albums. Do you know how many dumb shits will probably pick Metallica's album up now, just because it has that sticker on it? There will be quite a few. Do you know what winning a Grammy did for Stevie Ray Vahuan's album sales? Probably not, but I'm gonna tell ya'. Sales shot through the roof, because all the sheep who beleave the Grammys really mean somthing went out and bought his music. You put that sticker on an album, and the sales go up, it's a fact. It's a marketing ploy, nothing more, nothing less.

Like it or not, I am right on this one God damn it!!!

Nice. -rolleyes-

Raiders757, please post extensive insight into each of the albums listed, speak as a professional or someone very familiar with the albums, actually indicate that you have something more intelligent to say than "those ****in' sheep and their MTV/Grammy music!" before writing off every artist nominated. You have an embarrassing trend of labeling everything under a banner.

So, which of these CDs have you heard?

OutKast, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
The White Stripes, Elephant
Justin Timberlake, Justified
Missy Elliott, Under Construction
Evanesence, Fallen

Can you actually break down the problems with each of these albums? Do you know more than the singles? UNTIL THEN, stop acting like something is morally unjust about the Grammy's and that yr opinion is any more than just that. Yr taste isn't universal.

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Maybe the more direct question is: did you even know the albums nominated or were they guilty by association?

Fallow you are not reading my posts right. I never said anyone didn't deserve to win a Grammy, nor did I bash any of the music that won, other than Metallica's latest album(really wasn't bashing the album as much as the people who will buy it now, because it won a Grammy). Your reading what you want to read into my posts, and putting words into my mouth.

Seeing who was nominated in the "Best Metal" category, I guess Metallica should have won, everyone else suckesd ass. You need to lighten up as well, young fella. I was having a little fun in my first post, but I guess you feel the need to pick a battle with me, because my views do not agree to yours on anything when it comes to music.


Nowhere did I say that the Grammys were moraly unjust. I'm just pointing out the truth, that it is a marketing ploy, and anyone who can't see that is just plain blind. I didn't know it would make you so mad, but then again....

I have an embarrassing trend of labeling everything under a banner, huh? Well 'kin sorry!!! I have a very opinionated view on the music industry, and music in general. Sorry I beleave Pop music is crap, and its' fans are sheep, but the truth hurts sometimes, deal with it! If you read the E-mail I sent you a month ago or so, you will see where I said we all are sheep to one extent or another.

I have studied music, and played guitar for over 23 years now, as well as played in many bands. I was once a sheep in my beliefs, being played like a fiddle by the music industry as well back in the day. I have learned many of the ins and outs of what goes on behind the scene's in the dog eat dog buisness of music, due to my interest in it from a young age, and people like you make me laugh. You think you know how it works, but from what I see, you don't know shit yet, and you say to speak as a profesional. Ha! Coming from someone who seems to have the wool pulled over his eyes, that is a funny statement. Your having a hard enough time understanding me now.

I probably do come across a little harsh on here, but it is a message board, and it is hard to make a negative opinion without someone reading it the wrong way. One day you will see what I am talking about. That is, if you are interested enough to dig a little deeper into the greedy wrold of the music industry to find out.

Yes! I have heard the White Stripes album, and the Evenesence album. I have heard half of the OutKast album, and will never waist my time with Missy Elliot or that Justin guy, because I don't like the music one damn bit. Sorry I just don't like it.

OutKast has some err' umm' catchy songs, but they are nowhere near as good as, say the songs on the Robert Randolf and the Family Band's album. Robert Randolf and the Family Band are one of the best bands to emerge in this modern era of B.S. crap they call music. Did they get a Grammy nomination? Honestly I don't know, but they deserve that sticker to be slaped on their album, that's for sure. Just as much, if not more than the others.

The White Stripes is O.K., but nothing worth jumping for joy over. Evenesence at first seems to offer somthing new, but after further review, they are no different than all the other Nu- Metal (or what ever you want tot call them) bands. Niether will be remembered ten years from now, and both of them are no more than a flash in the pan. That's jusy MY opinion though, and you'll find a lot of people who agree with it as well.

To think that the recording industry supports the Grammys for shits a giggles, and the sake of just rewarding thier artists, is funny. It is always about the $$$, always. The Grammys sell more albums. It is a promotional tool. It also helps sell commercial slots as well. If the Grammys didn't benifit both sides(TV as well) with lots of $$$, then there would be no Grammys. When people see that little sticker on an album, they are more inclined to buy it. The recording industry wants to milk that cow for all it's worth. I really thought YOU of all people would agree with that, seeing how you said your more into underground music on an older post. I kind of shocked you hold the Grammys in such a high place. I'm sure your boy Kurt Cobane(sp?) didn't have very many nice things about the Grammys at all, but that's just my guess. I really don't remember

I also recall a major artist (I want to say Elton John, but one again could be off on that one, but it was a huge artist) saying a Grammy was nothing more than a meaningless paperweight to promote his music. I guess he is full of shit to, huh?

Edit - I was once your age also, remember. I bought into all the B.S., and thought the old farts preaching to me were full of dung, just as you do. Now I am older, and had more time to see what they were taking about. Of course I still think they were wrong about the music I liked, but they were right about a lot of things, and one day you will see what I am talking about. I hope

Next time you in Newport News visiting your family, maybe we can meet somewhere, and I'll buy you a beer(or somthing), and we can talk about music, and such. I'm sure you will find I am not the person you perseve(sp?) me to be. My posts are troll worthy, but I am a very mellow, understanding, and nice person.

I have to go to bed now, so untill the next time...

Have a nice day!

Okay, okay. Perhaps I did read too much into yr post. My finger gets itchy when stock terms -like 'sheep'- are thrown around without much basis, or basis on something as tenuous as taste. (I for one would probably enter most arguments with the word "rockist" if I truly believed someone was rockist [and I sometimes wonder] or if I felt I understood every nuance of the word). Especially when it comes to pop music because I think s'very easy to view its fans as dumb or unimaginative despite, and I'm steadfast on this, pop music's highly intelligent and imaginative approach to music in 2003. Even better than some of the esoteric, supposedly intellectual carp I spin.

Anyway, I hope I don't come off as targetting you (since we do argue a lot). We both have strong feelings about music, obviously, though we appear to be in opposite camps as far as thinking about music and talking about music and purchasing music goes.

Sorry I didn't get yr email. That account has been inactive for quite sometime (though I did reactivate it after I read yr post and will make a habit of checking it once a week).

Ya' know I sat back, and took the time to think for a minute, just what is it that I say that gets you so mad at me.(This was after I made my last post). I came to the conclusion it was my refering to to pop music fans as "sheep". I am going to do my best to not use that term on this board anymore, as to not offend you or anyone else. I somtimes forget that this board is full of fans of every kind of music, and get a little over opinionated at times. A good example is that "Britney Spears" thread. I think I went a little overboard in that thread(I was having a bad day), and my point was buried under all my ranting and B.S. I have that problem in this BB in more than just this forum. I need to try and not be so negative, but it is a hard thing to do for such an opinionated person like myself.

I do beleave we are all "sheep" in one form or another. When it comes to DVD's I am as a big a sheep as anybody else. I really don't beleave that the only people that can be a sheep are pop music fans, it's just a general term I use a lot when I refer to them. You do have to admit though, that the kids of today are more "sheeply" than any generation before them, as well as the pop fans. It is not as much thier fault, as much as it is living in a world full of vast commercialism where things are being ramed down thier throats to the point where they almost have to like it. Corperate America is destroying the music industry, as I once knew it, and it is hard for me to accept. I wish I could take the time to exsplain how it is happening, but it would take me ten pages to do so.

If the kids today just knew how much better things were back in the day. I'm not talking about the music in general, I'm talking about the industry as a whole. Concerts were better, and a lot cheaper. Radio wasn't so homogenized, and we had DJ's who were really fans of the music they played, and not just pretending to be a fan, like most do now. The only stations that used playlists back then were the top 40 pop music stations. Most of the rest of Radio didn't limmit themselves to just "the hits", so radio back in the day had a lot more to offer to the average music fan. AOR(album oriented radio) stations were so much better than what we have now. Then came MTV.

MTV, at the time, was a great idea. It was untill it was bought out by corperate America, and turned into a waistland for selling pimple cream. MTV now has so much influence on our teen and pre-teen children that it is almost sick. You could put up a test pattern as a video on MTV, and if played enough, kids would flock like, well er' ummm well... you know... the "S" word, to go get it. MTV plays a good roll in why the music industry is so homoginized today, but is not fully to blame. The potential behind MTV just helped catch the eye of the greedy bastards who have run the ship aground as of late. I could ramble on forever about MTV, and what a disgrace to music it has become(by disgrace I don't mean the music, as much as the marketing, and such), but that is for another time, and thread.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm a disgruntled music fan, and I really miss the way things were. I really wish all the young people who never knew a world without MTV, Clearchannel, etc... could go back and see how it was. I think they would then understand a little more about where I am coming from, and why I am so passionate about preaching my hatred towards what is happening today. It has always been about the $$$, but these days the $$$ is overriding the quality, as well as the entire experience of music, and what it is about. Videos have taken some of our imagination away as to what we want a song to be about for us. We are flocked like, well um er' you know the "s" word again, into amphitheaters, which make concerts seem stagnant, and more like going to the movies than seeing your favorite band live. Radio has become nothing more than a big giant playlist fueled by the "payola" scam, and is no longer a valuable resource for finding decent music anymore. Commercialism and greed are slowly killing everything that music is supposed to be about, and most of the fans of pop music are blind to this, and just keep taking the bait. That is one of the reasons I call them the "S" word I guess.

I don't mean to ramble, I'm just trying to give a little insite on where I am coming from. I'll end this now by saying I am sorry for flinging the "S" word around like a tossed salad, and will try my best to not use it anymore. I never meant to offend anyone.

Take it easy, and have a good day, or as we Iron Maiden fans say.

UP THE IRONS!!!

Oh, how I love it when dvdtalkers can put aside their differences and sing together in beautiful harmony.

Somewhere, out there, Britney Spears and Frank Zappa are holding hands and smiling, and, just for a minute, we all come together with our mutual love of music.

(oh, and Christina Aguillera is humping something)