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Michael T Hudson 07-04-03 09:08 AM

Metallica, others spurn Apple
 
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/02/tech...ex.htm?cnn=yes



Hmmmmm.

Giantrobo 07-04-03 09:48 AM

One day all involved will get it right.

Michael Corvin 07-04-03 09:57 AM

Metallica against digital downloads? I'm SHOCKED!

Josh H 07-04-03 10:38 AM

I guess they'd rather downloaders have no option other than stealing them and paying nothing. -rolleyes-

Capo2002 07-04-03 12:48 PM

I'm just so sick of Metallica acting like vigilantes of the internet. I hope they lose more fans, I know they lost me after the whole Napster fiasco. I used to be a huge Metallica fan(I have all their albums up until Load), and I really admired them as artists. But now they just make mediocre music and act like a bunch of greedy jackasses.

Jepthah 07-04-03 01:00 PM

Translation: 'our albums are crappy.'

Jackskeleton 07-04-03 01:20 PM

What I don't get with this comment:


Our artists would rather not contribute to the demise of the album format," said Mark Reiter, with Q Prime Management Co., which manages the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica and several other artists.

Ok.. so why not just release albums on TAPE or Records. You wouldn't want the demise of those formats... -rolleyes- If they want to move away from the demise of album formats these bands should write a complete album that is worth listening to instead of one or two songs.

Rogue588 07-04-03 01:46 PM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Ok.. so why not just release albums on TAPE or Records. You wouldn't want the demise of those formats... -rolleyes- If they want to move away from the demise of album formats these bands should write a complete album that is worth listening to instead of one or two songs.
Word.

What I find amusing/weird is that the main artists named [RHCP & Metallica] have the same management group. Could this be a decision that their "management" made for them..? Are Green Day and Linkin Park under the same management?

And yet another case of the industry's :brickwl:

Calling the issue more a "creative issue than a financial issue," Reiter said the artists felt that if consumers can download their singles, they are less apt to buy entire albums.

"If you download a single, you may ignore the other tracks on the album," he said. "When our artists record a body of work, it's what they deem to be representative of their careers at that time."

clemente 07-04-03 01:50 PM

"No, you can't buy our one or two good songs, you have to buy the 10 crappy ones too!"

Michael Corvin 07-04-03 10:50 PM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Ok.. so why not just release albums on TAPE or Records. You wouldn't want the demise of those formats... -rolleyes- If they want to move away from the demise of album formats these bands should write a complete album that is worth listening to instead of one or two songs.
No *****. I like about 5 of the songs, but that is less than half on the album.

Judge Smails 07-05-03 01:17 AM

Someone might want to tell the reporter that Green Day songs (and albums) are available in the iTunes store.

Fielding Mellish 07-05-03 07:08 AM

**** Metallica.

jk4w 07-05-03 01:14 PM

I wonder how Metallica feels about Public Libraries letting people check their CD's out ?

Captain Harlock 07-05-03 05:01 PM

Let's see.....

12 downloaded songs off of IMusic
x99 Cents
= $11.88

Now.....
12 of the exact same songs on CD
for $17.99
=MONEY GOOD!!

Aaaaaaaahhhhh now I get it!!-wink-

Jackskeleton 07-05-03 07:24 PM


Originally posted by Captain Harlock
Let's see.....

12 downloaded songs off of IMusic
x99 Cents
= $11.88

Now.....
12 of the exact same songs Only three of which are actually good ,on CD
for $17.99
=MONEY GOOD!!

Aaaaaaaahhhhh now I get it!!-wink-


Fixed

Captain Harlock 07-05-03 10:01 PM

Thanks :thumbsup:

Deftones 07-06-03 01:23 PM

I can respect what Metallica and RHCP are saying, though. I mean, their music is their form of art. I can understand where they are coming from, but I disagree. Allowing people to legally download their songs may increase their fan base. Someone may download a song they like, then maybe take a risk on downloading more b/c they liked it so much.

milo bloom 07-06-03 06:34 PM

Amazing, a double cranio-rectal inversion. IE, they're heads went so far up their asses, they came back out their necks, then doubled around and went up their asses again.

If people don't want to buy your album, maybe your album sucks.

DRG 07-06-03 11:04 PM

Well, they'd better stop releasing songs to the radio and videos to MTV then... they keep playing "St. Anger" and not the rest of the album!

juanmgonzalez 07-07-03 12:42 AM

I'm confused - Itunes Music Store has the option to sell as a WHOLE ALBUM.

meritocracy 07-11-03 12:27 PM


Originally posted by juanmgonzalez
I'm confused - Itunes Music Store has the option to sell as a WHOLE ALBUM.
Metallica and RHCP only want users to be able to download the whole album from the online store and not just individual singles. This is the crux of the disagreement between Apple and the bands and hence why their albums are not available.

DodgingCars 07-11-03 05:29 PM

I would have to agree with others that their arguement might make sense and be valid if it weren't for the fact that they release singles... umm.. ok.

Captain Harlock 07-12-03 12:30 PM

I'm thinking this has more to do with their "stance" on downloading. If they say yes to I-Tunes, then it would look like they are softening their position on downloading. So they have to present a unilateral postion on ALL downloading. Even the "legal" kind.

Besides as well all know, Metallica would rather sell a CD for $17.99 than 2 or 3 of the best tracks on that CD for 99 cents apiece.

MONEY GOOD!!

B5Erik 07-12-03 12:33 PM

I'm SOMEWHAT with Metallica on this one. The album format (30+ minutes worth of songs) has been around for over 40 years, and is the best way for bands to get their music out. Releasing music song by song didn't work well in the 30's and 40's (to get 10 songs you had to buy 5 records!), and bands made most of their money from touring. With an album the fans get more music (sometimes good, sometimes not), and the band gets more money from the publishing fees. (They get paid per song for publishing...)

Besides, there is usually a continuity with an album and you can get classics like Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind or Powerslave - or, for that matter, Metallica's Ride The Lightning or Master Of Puppets. You wouldn't want to break those albums up.

I think that if a band only wants their music SOLD as an album that should be their choice, not the choice of Apple or any other "retailer." (It's up to radio to play what they want - the band/management/record company can push certain songs to radio, but it's up to them whether or not to play those songs.)

I do think that if you're paying to download an entire album that doesn't make the songs available individually that it shouldn't cost more than $10. (No manufacturing, printing, or distribution costs...)

Michael Corvin 07-12-03 02:59 PM

Bottom line is metallica gets 50% or more of every album sold. $.50 or $9. They are about the money now.

I do hope apple succeeds though.


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