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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Cusm
(Post 14414210)
There needs to be more talk about Robert Smith and the last Cure tour to show how a tour can be ran. Not just ticket pricing but the artist fighting Ticketmaster fees and stopping scalpers.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
That's probably true for most artists. They like having a bad guy to blame ticket prices on. And most don't have the money that Smith has already.
Then there are the few heroes like Maggie Rogers who is actually physically selling her own tickets in person at the arenas with reduced cost and no mark up. Love her. https://www.kqed.org/arts/13955839/m...e-chase-center |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
(Post 14392201)
Today, that same ticket should be about $50. Today, the "fees" often cost more than the ticket should and the ticket itself costs about three times what it should going by the rate of inflation.
They're both general-admission shows, but they're both also fairly small venues, so even the very back of the room is fine. These artists aren't "huge", but they're also not some obscure unheard of artists either. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14414254)
That's probably true for most artists. They like having a bad guy to blame ticket prices on. And most don't have the money that Smith has already.
Then there are the few heroes like Maggie Rogers who is actually physically selling her own tickets in person at the arenas with reduced cost and no mark up. Love her. https://www.kqed.org/arts/13955839/m...e-chase-center https://www.instagram.com/p/C5oQRo8LY7F/ |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Cusm
(Post 14414210)
There needs to be more talk about Robert Smith and the last Cure tour to show how a tour can be ran. Not just ticket pricing but the artist fighting Ticketmaster fees and stopping scalpers.
I can't imagine the kind of chaos that would ensue if Taylor Swift did the same kind of cheap ticket ploy Smith pulled off. :lol: (And it appears that it worked out well for The Cure: https://americansongwriter.com/ticketmaster/ ) |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
(Post 14414383)
The Cure/Smith is a mid-tier artist who can isn't big enough to set off a feeding frenzy like a Beyonce or Taylor Swift, but big enough to leverage their popularity to lower ticket prices.
I can't imagine the kind of chaos that would ensue if Taylor Swift did the same kind of cheap ticket ploy Smith pulled off. :lol: (And it appears that it worked out well for The Cure: https://americansongwriter.com/ticketmaster/ ) An other problem is "non transferable" is not "non transferable." The brokers have built whole systems to by pass it. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Kdogg
(Post 14414397)
Swift did stop TM from double dipping by not allowing them to resell. Not that it mattered.
An other problem is "non transferable" is not "non transferable." The brokers have built whole systems to by pass it. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14414444)
Not correct. Her tickets were available for resale (and still are) and were transferrable, there was just so much demand that few hit the market.
Yup the decision was made after the mess. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ticketm...or-swift-tour/ Ticketmaster said it will not conduct resales for Swift's shows, but other websites are, with some tickets reaching tens of thousands of dollars. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
I recently purchased tickets to a Night Ranger show here (through eTix), and they are not releasing the tickets until 3 days before the show. They claim this is an effort to help with mass buying and reselling. (Probably wouldn't happen for this particular show anyway, but an interesting idea).
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Kdogg
(Post 14414459)
I was referring to on Ticketmaster's platform. Tickets could not be relisted there which some artists restrict like Swift did. Adele does the same thing. So TM couldn't double dip on resells. I think the decision was made after the ticketing debacle of 2022. I'm aware that transfers were not disabled. That's why I said not having resells on Ticketmaster won't have mattered. In hindsight it might have said people some money because their fees for buyers is half of Stubhub.
Yup the decision was made after the mess. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ticketm...or-swift-tour/ |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Decker
(Post 14414468)
Ah, okay. When you said "them" I thought you meant the tickets, but you meant TM. Interesting. I don't really know what problem that solves, but okay I guess. I've had tickets for several shows that disabled resale in one fashion or another. Never had one that disabled ticket resale to one distributor only.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by The Cow
(Post 14414463)
I recently purchased tickets to a Night Ranger show here (through eTix), and they are not releasing the tickets until 3 days before the show. They claim this is an effort to help with mass buying and reselling. (Probably wouldn't happen for this particular show anyway, but an interesting idea).
Isn't eTix print at home? Don't people just send a pdf of the ticket? |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by Kdogg
(Post 14414525)
It doesn't work. TM does then same thing if the artist requests it. I have Hozer and Foo Fighter tickets that are not available (or transferable). There's only a countdown timer to three days before the event. Both shows are listed on the 3rd party resellers. I checked Seat Geek and the comments are "Notes from the seller - eTicket URL transferless transfer." They send you to a website with the barcode.
Isn't eTix print at home? Don't people just send a pdf of the ticket? Why aren't my tickets available? To give everyone a fair shot, we temporarily delay delivery so that we can check for orders placed by bots or orders that did not adhere to ticket limits. This ensures all legitimate buyers have an equal chance to purchase tickets. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
U.S. House of Representatives Passes TICKET Act Calling for Better Pricing Transparency
https://pitchfork.com/news/us-house-...-transparency/ US DOJ could seek break up of Live Nation, Bloomberg News reports https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...ts-2024-05-22/ |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Token election year nonsense which I don't think will change much.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Burn it to the ground and see something worse arise. :( I hate live nation and TM :(
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
TM suffered a data breach. Estimated 500M+ accounts compromised. Good stuff.
https://mashable.com/article/ticketm...nyhunters-hack |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Wonderful. Fucking Ticketmaster. -ohbfrank-
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Sweet, I look forward to my $2.34 settlement and 5 years of credit monitoring.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Okay, got tickets for The Eagles at The Sphere. Tickets are $315 each. Service Charge $78 each. (No more Order fee! :eyeroll:)
That's like 25% of the ticket price for service fees. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
I get why people hate Ticketmaster and get pissed at a fee that can cost as much as a ticket but how about stop supporting artists that charge these ridiculous prices in the first place? Is a live music show really worth this extravagant amount of money?
Fans Fume Over 'Inaccessible' Gaga Tickets Prices are in the thousands, with many blaming Ticketmaster Lady Gaga is heading on tour, but fans may have to "choose between seeing Gaga live or paying rent," reports the Daily Beast. Prices for the highly anticipated MAYHEM Ball Tour, Gaga's first arena tour in seven years, are "astronomical," according to the outlet, which blames Ticketmaster's dynamic pricing model, "a system that allows companies to raise prices in real time based on demand, bots, fraudsters, and resellers." One X user shared a screenshot showing a lower-level ticket for Gaga's Aug. 23 concert at Madison Square Garden was going for $1,770 before fees. A floor seat was priced at $6,204, per Digital Music News. Even limited-view nosebleed seats in Seattle were priced at $184. Many fans directed their ire at Ticketmaster. "Back in 2014 I paid [about $90] for a decent seated ticket to see her," wrote one X user, adding "the current pricing structure should genuinely be illegal. Live music has become inaccessible." "Ticket master should have put Lady Gaga tickets on sale on April 1st because their system is a joke," wrote another. In a December opinion piece, Alan Cross at Global News pointed out it's actually artists and their management who set the face value price of a concert ticket, while Ticketmaster profits off its service fee. Still, its pricing model has become the subject of an investigation in the UK. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
See our Gaga Mayhem thread. Tickets in Vegas are sold by AXS instead of Ticketmaster, and there are still hundreds of reasonably priced tickets.
I got lower bowl tickets for $330 each, plus fees. |
Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Yeah. Y’all know I’m ready to dunk on Ticketmaster but this isn’t on them. It’s a Citi and/or Verizon presale (depending on the location). No dynamic pricing for now. Just the expensive prices set by the artist and management. It will be the same for the artist presale. Ticketmaster isn’t setting these prices. They can start to complain when the general starts if dynamic pricing is used. I would suspect no. The person quoted saying they paid $90 eleven years ago when she was less popular is nuts.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
I mean presumably the money is going to the artist and the artist is who they're going to see, as long as they combat scalping they charge what they need to. Don't most artists make most of their money on tours and not from music sales now? Certainly Gaga isn't cash poor or anything but if this is the level of demand I don't see how charging a lot less is going to help anyone, they'll just be scooped up even quicker I'd think.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?
Originally Posted by fujishig
(Post 14577481)
I mean presumably the money is going to the artist and the artist is who they're going to see, as long as they combat scalping they charge what they need to. Don't most artists make most of their money on tours and not from music sales now? Certainly Gaga isn't cash poor or anything but if this is the level of demand I don't see how charging a lot less is going to help anyone, they'll just be scooped up even quicker I'd think.
I also think people are just googling Lady Gaga tickets and clicking the first couple of links which are sponsored third party scalpers. Unless you use the “web” button (old school Google) TM is like the fourth option. Even using web it’s still second. |
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