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Lateralus 10-20-03 07:25 PM


Originally posted by Jason
Well, stagehands did come out to do their "laundry" throughout the show.
Yeah they would put quarters in and start them up when they stopped. At the end of the show Geddy and Alex reached in a pulled out the T-shirts and threw them in to the crowd. And apparently in Boston Randy Johnson from the Arizona Diamondbacks was putting quarters in the dryers.

I got a black shirt with "I got this from dryer #3 on the Rush Vapor Trails tour"

Pretty cool.

Rypro 525 10-20-03 07:43 PM


Originally posted by Lateralus

Well I got tickets to the Columbia, MD viewing! I was not planning to go, but a friend convinced me in to it!

lucky man. i tried but couldnt be lucky enough to be the 10th caller (98 rock right?)

Lateralus 10-20-03 07:52 PM


Originally posted by Rypro 525
lucky man. i tried but couldnt be lucky enough to be the 10th caller (98 rock right?)
No, as of yesterday you could still buy tickets on the website. I live in Pennsylvania so I can't listen to 98 rock.

http://www.regalcm.com/index_rush.asp

And they are still on sale for $9.50.

We tried Philly and New Jersey but they were both sold out, so Columbia, MD was the last place we looked.

KnightLerxst 10-21-03 07:28 AM


Originally posted by Lateralus
No, as of yesterday you could still buy tickets on the website. I live in Pennsylvania so I can't listen to 98 rock.

http://www.regalcm.com/index_rush.asp

And they are still on sale for $9.50.

We tried Philly and New Jersey but they were both sold out, so Columbia, MD was the last place we looked.

Damn if I didn't have to be up at 430am I would be at that show dude...

Ah well I got to meet them at the arena last year (just had to rub that one in again) :D

edstein 10-21-03 12:23 PM

What price are most people getting the dvd for? I picked mine up today at Wal-Mart for $19.88.

Lateralus 10-21-03 01:09 PM

I got the two pack at Best Buy.


Also get to Best Buy early, I went in at 10 AM and they didn't have very many copies maybe 10 CD's and about 15 DVD's and that was it.

I would also suggest opening up your CD or DVD before you leave, because I opened my first CD and it was missing a disk.

I'd write more but I have to finish watching the documentary.

KnightLerxst 10-21-03 01:52 PM

I just picked up the cd and dvd set on my way back into work, gotta say the vocals on the cd seem to be really low, I popped in disc 3, and I could barely hear Geddy singing Limelight, it almost sounds like an audience boot.

raiders757 10-21-03 04:16 PM

Lateralus - "Also get to Best Buy early, I went in at 10 AM and they didn't have very many copies maybe 10 CD's and about 15 DVD's and that was it."


That is almost how it was, at the BB I went to. They had about 20 or so CD's, and only 8 to 10 DVD's. To be exact, I had to get someone from the store to go get the DVD's from the back. They didn't even have it on thier shelves yet!!! WTF!

I'm holding out to watch the DVD later on this evening. I've already jammed the CD. It kicks!!, and the Rio crowd was just incredable IMO.

davidh777 10-21-03 05:13 PM

Letterboxed?
 
Is it just me, or does this thing look like it's letterboxed rather than anamorphic? I'm playing it on a 4:3 screen but setting the dvd player to 16:9 and it's still showing as widescreen with black bars rather than filling the screen with a tall and squished picture.

Johnny Zhivago 10-21-03 10:52 PM

That was going to be my first question... Is this anamorphic or letterboxed? I'm not a HUGE Rush fan, so yes, it DOES matter and will most likely make or break my purchase.

I'm friggin' tired of seeing widescreen releases not enhanced for 16X9 teles... The new King Crimson DVD is the same way, GREAT DVD set, but in this day and age 16X9 should be a no brainer. (I AM a HUGE Crim head, so I'm dealing with it)

gutwrencher 10-21-03 11:03 PM


Originally posted by Johnny Zhivago
The new King Crimson DVD is the same way, GREAT DVD set, but in this day and age 16X9 should be a no brainer. (I AM a HUGE Crim head, so I'm dealing with it)
guess I'll be dealing with it as well. how is Pat's drumming?replacing Bruford would seem to be a little tough.

I'll order it in a few days, thanks.:thumbsup:

Johnny Zhivago 10-21-03 11:13 PM

Gut - Pat is THE MAN. Seriously. I met him in Nashville on the 2000 tour, very cool dude, AMAZING drummer. It's a GREAT set, other than being non 16X9. I was going to start a thread about it, but hell, you and I are just about the only Crim fans on this board.

gutwrencher 10-21-03 11:23 PM


Originally posted by Johnny Zhivago
Gut - Pat is THE MAN. Seriously. I met him in Nashville on the 2000 tour, very cool dude, AMAZING drummer. It's a GREAT set, other than being non 16X9. I was going to start a thread about it, but hell, you and I are just about the only Crim fans on this board.
thanks again JZ, as always. I no doubt trust you concerning music. I'm now looking even more forward to getting this. ordered it 3 minutes ago!!:D

chalk another sale up for Johnny.http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/thumbs.gif

back to the great white north....still have not cracked the plastic on Rio yet. need to finish Pompeii first.

jarofclay73 10-22-03 05:14 AM

As other have said, the mix sounds more "live" than the other concerts like Different Stages and Show of Hands. I'd say Different Stages has a good balance. With Rio, I guess they chose more of the "live" sound. It's pretty good though to hear the rampant Rio fans. And they do quiet down eventually. Still have to really scrutinize this DVD.

Hollow Man 10-22-03 08:22 AM

They were out of the DVD at Best Buy, and at CC the salesman was going to give me a copy, until he professed that someone else asked for it first. Ass. So I ended up having to get it at Media Play. $5 more for both, but oh well.

I'm a bit disappointed in the sound quality of the CDs. Too much crowd noise, and the music is brittle and shrill at times. Nothing is very distinct, so most of time Geddy's singing and Alex's playing is hard to hear well.

The last two songs (the supposed "sound board" recordings: what, were the rest done by giving mics to the Brazilians in the audience? It would explain a lot...), "Between Sun and Moon" and "Vital Signs", sound a lot better than the rest of the discs.

I haven't gotten a chance to watch too much of the DVD yet.

-HM

Illinois Enema Bandit 10-22-03 08:38 AM

Re: Letterboxed?
 

Originally posted by davidh777
Is it just me, or does this thing look like it's letterboxed rather than anamorphic? I'm playing it on a 4:3 screen but setting the dvd player to 16:9 and it's still showing as widescreen with black bars rather than filling the screen with a tall and squished picture.
It appears to be letterboxed...I played it in "full" mode expecting an anamorphic display an instead got black bars and a squished picture. Fixed it using one of the TheatreView modes on my Tosh. On this matter I was rather surprised and annoyed. This aside, it's one great show (haven't seen the extras yet)

tomveil 10-22-03 02:06 PM

Anthem 75
 
Ripped from Rush forum
Anthem easter egg

Disk 2

On the main menu, press 2
Once you get picture for the drum solo, press menu
You're back at the main menu for disk 2...
Press 1
Once you get picture for YYZ, press menu
You're back at the main menu...
Press 1
Once you get picture for YYZ press menu
You're back at the main menu...
Press 2
Once you get picture for the drum solo press menu
You're back at the main menu and is now shows "Special Bonus: Anthem 1975"

Great old clip but I wish they would not make us jump through hoops to get it.

Lateralus 10-22-03 02:23 PM

Re: Anthem 75
 

Originally posted by tomveil
Ripped from Rush forum
Anthem easter egg

Disk 2

On the main menu, press 2
Once you get picture for the drum solo, press menu
You're back at the main menu for disk 2...
Press 1
Once you get picture for YYZ, press menu
You're back at the main menu...
Press 1
Once you get picture for YYZ press menu
You're back at the main menu...
Press 2
Once you get picture for the drum solo press menu
You're back at the main menu and is now shows "Special Bonus: Anthem 1975"

Great old clip but I wish they would not make us jump through hoops to get it.

Yup, you unlocked the vault. 2112.

It should just be enter 2112 at the menu and it will take you in.

Hannibal 10-22-03 04:37 PM

Or you could just:
put in disc 2.
select YYZ and start to play it.
once the song starts, hit your skip button "exactly" 5 times and wait a few seconds.
your "menu" screen should come back on, this time with a "special bonus" on it offering Anthem 1975 and By-Tor movie

slop101 10-22-03 05:30 PM

I thought the video quality was below average for this, which I guess is understandable - but it's sort of hazy looking with lots of compression problems.

Yes, Geddy's voice is sort of low in the mix, but since his voice is my least favorite thing about Rush, I don't really mind.

Is it just me, or does Alex now look just like KG from Tenacious D, only with more hair and not quite as fat (but close)?

jarofclay73 10-23-03 01:34 AM

More thoughts on the DVD:

If they didn't make it anamorphic, I wish they would have left it as 1.33:1 like A Show of Hands.

On my 5.1 computer system, I had to change my audio setting so that the sound wouldn't be too garbled. I will also try turning down the surrounds to balance the audience noise.

Actually, I think the picture and audio quality plays better on a normal TV with two speakers. On my RGB screen, the video has a "TV" quality to it.

Also, I noticed that Neil Peart uses a standard drum grip for most of the songs while using the traditional grip in the T4E songs. And I think he even switches between both grips in some songs. I just love his drum set. And I like the O Baterista drum solo. Also, I noticed that Neil breaks his stick in half after a song. That was pretty intense. And this time, I don't think he missed catching his stick.

And, yes, Alex is getting bigger. And his little "jazz solo" was pretty funny. "I'm Stan Getz." :)

Geddy seems to be getting better with age to me. I can hear bass variations in a lot of the songs.

I have yet to get the CD.

KnightLerxst 10-23-03 05:50 AM

Ah poor Al, ya really can't blame the guy, he gave up smoking and I am sure that is the reason for the weight gain.

"Milton Banana"

nightliner 10-23-03 01:23 PM

I was really dissapointed by the sound of this disc. The vocals are very low in the mix, the bass is overwhelming, and quite often the guitar just becomes a "wall of fuzz". When I saw them in concert last year, I thought pretty much the same thing, so I guess they are trying to re-create the concert sound. Big mistake, imo. I'd prefer a cleaner sound like on the Yes dvd Symphonic Live. On that disc there were 20 times the number of musicians, but it maintained a nice, clear sound.

I expected to be watching this disc a lot (I really like Rush), but I don't expect it to make too many visits to my dvd player. A big let down.

raiders757 10-23-03 03:16 PM

I love RUSH, so I might be biased here, but I think it is one of the better music DVD's released, despite its few problems. A must have for the music DVD collector.

I have a question for those who have it though. In between Driven & Ghost Rider, there seems to be a transfer glich. A small pause or stutter, like if were switching layers. Has anyone else had this problem?

The sound in my opinion is not the best, but not as bad as a lot of other concert DVD's I have. I only have 2.0 sound, so I can't coment on the 5.1, but the 2.0 sounds good to me. It sounds better than the CD version(Which is not as bad as people are pumping up on amazon etc.., just have to turn the bass down a good ways). I kind of like the way the DVD is mixed. It makes me feel like I'm at the real concert, as it sounded in person. I hate it when bands use overdubs or cut & paste a live album in the studio. It takes a little away from the original performance. I guess that's why I like my Rush soundboard boots, so much better than anything else. I'm not saying this hasn't been steped on in the studio, but it doesn't seem like much, if it has.

Someone was asking if it was anamorphic on page 4, and if it wasn't, they might not buy it. I hate to report, it is letterboxed. To me it is no big deal(well a little bit of a deal), but to this person it was. I do hope they do not get this DVD, for only that reason, but I do understand. You can't hold concert DVD's to the standard of movie DVD's, yet. Many bands and labels are behind, in the DVD market, only now just realizeing it's potential. I was exspecting Rush, and thier management to be a little more up to date on things, but it seems they are not. I still say this DVD is a must buy though. It is still better than most of them out there.

"jarofclay73" is right about Niel useing the standard way of holding the drumstick on most songs(someone asked on the other page, if anyone was wondering). He switches to traditional during "Driven", and goes back and forth during his drum solo. In the short(well one hour) film, included in the extras, they show Niel warming up a few times. During that, he is mostly playing in the traditional style. Niel just kicks ass throughout this entire DVD, and he makes it worth haveing alone.

I hope everybody takes our negative comments with a grain of salt, because the positives by far outshine the negatives. Like I said before, this DVD is one of the better concert DVD's on the market. I think we have just set our standards a little to high for a package such as this. Remember musical acts do not have the budget that Holleywood filmakers get to work with, to make thier product. We should not hold them to the same standard. YET.

Yes there are music DVD's that sound, and look way better than Rush in Rio(but not many), but I can even find room for improvement in those as well. I wish Rush in Rio sounded as good as my Eric clapton - One More Car, One More Rider DVD, but it doesn't. Does that make me dissapointed? NO The picture to me is no worse than most concert DVD's, and the editing wasn't to bad, when compared to others. The way I see it, is Rush in Rio has it's flaws, but it isn't worth passing on it, because of them. If you do, it's your loss.

My really only true dissapointment in this DVD, is the extras, or should I say, the extras that are not there. I was really hopeing the rumors of "2112" live in it's entirety, from thier yet unseen footage from the Test For Echo Tour, would be included in the extras. I guess the audio problems they were haveing with it, just couldn't be overcome. A big bummer for me, but I'm still content with what I got.

tomveil 10-23-03 04:13 PM


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I have a question for those who have it though. In between Driven & Ghost Rider, there seems to be a transfer glich. A small pause or stutter, like if were switching layers. Has anyone else had this problem?
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I think it's just the dual layer spot. It does seemed more drastic than normal though.

Illinois Enema Bandit 10-23-03 05:07 PM


Originally posted by raiders757
Someone was asking if it was anamorphic on page 4, and if it wasn't, they might not buy it. I hate to report, it is letterboxed. To me it is no big deal(well a little bit of a deal), but to this person it was. I do hope they do not get this DVD, for only that reason, but I do understand.
http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread....hreadid=325663

raiders757 10-25-03 08:58 AM

tomveil - "I think it's just the dual layer spot. It does seemed more drastic than normal though."

So this is happening to you as well, I presume? I was hopeing it was just my copy, so I could return it, but if it's happening on yours also, then it is a mistake in the production. A sad mistake IMO.

gutwrencher 10-25-03 10:47 AM


Originally posted by raiders757
I love RUSH, so I might be biased here, but I think it is one of the better music DVD's released, despite its few problems. A must have for the music DVD collector.


me too...been seeing them and enjoying their music since 1975. but I was not thrilled with this set. personally....I think the mix sounds like crap. also...focusing on that crowd, when they should have been drilled in on the fingertips of the band when essential solo's arrive.....just little things that piss me off. very dissapointed.

Lateralus 10-25-03 12:49 PM


Originally posted by gutwrencher
me too...been seeing them and enjoying their music since 1975. but I was not thrilled with this set. personally....I think the mix sounds like crap. also...focusing on that crowd, when they should have been drilled in on the fingertips of the band when essential solo's arrive.....just little things that piss me off. very dissapointed.
Ha Ha, I think the opposite, they should have gotten some more of the crowd in and some more of the images flashed on the background screen.

Wanna see fingertips? Watch the multiangle videos. As for the mix I love crowd noise because it makes me feel like I was actually at the show; it was especially good when I saw it in the theatre.

gutwrencher 10-25-03 12:58 PM


Originally posted by Lateralus
As for the mix I love crowd noise because it makes me feel like I was actually at the show; it was especially good when I saw it in the theatre.
I understand and respect yer opinion. but if I wanted to feel like I was at the show....I'd have gone to the show. having screaming teens yelling in my ears, who were far from born when Farewell To Kings came out, is not my idea of fun anymore. the music/audio should be priority...IMHO. Rush has been a great band forever! their music deserves better treatment.

Lateralus 10-25-03 01:11 PM


Originally posted by gutwrencher
I understand and respect yer opinion. but if I wanted to feel like I was at the show....I'd have gone to the show. having screaming teens yelling in my ears, who were far from born when Farewell To Kings came out, is not my idea of fun anymore. the music/audio should be priority...IMHO. Rush has been a great band forever! their music deserves better treatment.
Well to tell you the truth I don't think I would have liked to be in the middle of that crowd either unless I was in the very front row; I have been in large crowds like that before and it sucked! However, it does make me tingle to see 40,000 Rush fans jumping, chanting singing along with the songs; it seems like one big party. Rush is probably the only group that I know every single lyric, guitar riff and bass line, and is probably the only group that would go crazy for.

My hat goes off to the Brazilian fans, they showed the Americans and who ever else is watching how to enjoy a rock concert. Too often I go to concerts and everybody is sitting on their butts except for the first couple rows, I find that the more people get in to it the better the concert is. That is my opinion, but I have been to many a concert where I just wanted to sit back and listen to the music; which is fine too.

When Rush tours the states, fans have options. If you want to jump up and down and party then get floor seats; if you want to sit back and watch the show you can get side seating. I guess in Rio you didn't have much of an option; it was either party on the floor or sit waaaaay in the back.

Jason 10-25-03 11:04 PM

Just got the CD today, and I can honestly say that this is the best bootleg CD I've ever purchased! :)

That's pretty much what it reminds me of. I like the crowd singing along to Tom Sawyer and YYZ(!), and the band sounds very raw. No studio overdubs that basically re-record the show here. Would I like it to sound better? Yes. The unfiltered live performance is hindered by a lack of sonic clarity, but it's a unique document of what may be (but hopefully isn't) the final Rush concert ever.

KnightLerxst 10-25-03 11:39 PM

The sound of the CD has grown on me honestly, and yeah I have to agree with Jason, it is the best bootleg I have ever purchased!

I have two boots from the Vapor Trails tour and this disc sounds similar, and they are audience boots, but damn good ones.

I love the sound of the dvd. When I first heard it I thought that it sounded just like Nissan in July of 02. Love it.

astrochimp 10-26-03 06:42 PM

I got to see them live at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto on the Power Windows tour and its great to see them live again on dvd :)

Giantrobo 10-27-03 09:59 PM

You know, while watching the dvd tonight I was reminded how great Alex Lifeson is on guitar. His sound is unique and his solos aren't your usually BORING "Look what I can do" solos....the kind Eddie Van Halen, Yngvie Malsteen(sp?), and many other rock guitarists.

goatweed 10-28-03 01:49 PM

if I might chime in on the "standard vs. traditional" grip issue...

On A work In Progress, Neil discusses, at the time, his need to reinvent himself and in the process he discovered that a simple change in how he held the sticks was all he needed to enjoy playing on a different level. He mentioned that that was how he had learned to play, but like most rock drummers, moved to the standard grip as it was easier to do a great many things - being the self-challenger that he is, he essentially became reacquainted with the grip for Test for Echo but summarilly dropped it afterwards.

The reason he switches back and forth is because on the T4E tracks, thats the grip he played on those songs and therefore he holds true to form of those tracks. I noticed this on the T4E tour also.

Personally, I prefer him with standard - he seems more fluid and free, and doesn't look like he's trying to play as much as he does with traditional. Also, being a (very rusty) drummer myself, I'm anti-traditional grip as it doesn't feel comfortable nor does it afford as much freedom of movement, especially in the wrist.

As for the DVD, I would've preferred a true WS presentation but with the lack of Rush on DVD, beggars can't be choosers :)

Lateralus 10-28-03 03:00 PM

Speaking of Neil, did anybody catch where a young Neil is bashing on the cymbals like a robot? Do you know what I'm talking about? I've never seen him do that before.

gutwrencher 10-28-03 05:59 PM

saw this over at the dbits:


I've spoken with one of the principle involvements in the Rush in Rio DVD and found out some very interesting things concerning the DVD. The first is simple: there will be no 'fixing' or 'replacing' of the package. It will stand as is. There may be, in the distant future, a 'greatest hits' of the show that will feature the delivered 16x9 Anamorphic video and DTS tracks on a single issue, that is 1DVD, but that's as far as it will go. But the decision has already been made to not change the US release. Apparently, Rush was the deciding factor in this matter. It was told to me that the band had access to several audio mixes and chose the one they felt sounded more like a real life concert setting where the sound isn't crystal clear. Band ruling, readers. It is their prerogative to deliver what they feel to be a true representation of the show.
I'm finding that this dvd is growing on me. I'm tossing out what I would have liked and taking what the band gives me. maybe I'm just gettin' old. the last time I saw Rush was in '77 on the Hemispheres tour. it was a great show then as this is a great show now. I'm going to do what I should have done before...gonna throw myself into all those cutie's and enjoy the show.

tomveil 11-01-03 12:04 AM

This was posted on the Rush web site:

"The decision to forego an anamorphic version was due to limitations with some of the cameras used to film the concert. The majority of the concert was filmed in a 16:9 Digibeta format but due to the sensitivity of having cameramen distracting Neil during the show, mini remote cameras were used around him that could only be recorded in a 4:3 format. The issue of anamorphic was first raised in June and we investigated the option and what it would take to convert these tapes, which once the show was fully edited comprised about 25 - 30% of the footage used, to anamorphic. Since we were already dealing with a softer image, the process necessary to achieve anamorphic for these particular tapes would have degraded the footage further and many shots of Neil would have become blurred and all these shots would have really stood out from the rest of the program. With this footage comprising so much of the show it would have been become a distraction and as such lessen the experience for the viewer. The decision was made to maintain the strongest possible quality product and deliver a great performance, in what is still the most common format, while holding onto our intended letterbox look. The decision was purely one of giving the highest quality experience to all the viewers possible. "

~ Allan Weinrib, Executive Producer, Rush In Rio.

Jason 11-01-03 05:26 PM

Finally got the DVD today, and if all the female Rush fans down there are as hot as the one with the long braids who's singing along to Temples of Syrinx at the top of her lungs, I'm on the next plane to Rio!

Great picture, cool sound (rear channel crowd didn't bother me at all) and Rush getting the kind of responsive, enthusiastic crowd they deserve. Easily my new favorite music DVD.


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