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Old 02-17-03, 05:00 PM
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Here's the setlists for anyone who hasn't seen...

2/15/03 Thomas & Mack Center Las Vegas, NV

I: Llama, Wolfman's Brother, Reba, Life on Mars?, 46 Days, It's Ice, Frankie Says -> Run Like an Antelope*

II: Waves, Bug -> Ghost -> Free, Harry Hood**

E: Sample in a Jar

* w/ Stash tease, ** w/ band dancing a jig

2/16/03 Thomas & Mack Center Las Vegas, NV

I: David Bowie -> Catapult -> David Bowie, Horn, Guyute, Round Room, Golden Lady*, Poor Heart, Pebbles & Marbles

II: Down with Disease -> 7 Below -> Down with Disease, Anything But Me, Piper** -> Down with Disease -> Makisupa Policeman***, Character Zero

E: Friday

* Stevie Wonder cover (last played 10/20/94), ** w/ glow ring war, *** keyword was "spliff"
The shows were amazing. Phish is back with so much more energy than they had in 2000. I was so impressed by how much fun they seemed to be having. Anyone catching shows later in the tour is definitely in for a treat.

I don't want to do a song by song, so here's some highlights:

Many, many good songs played. The first night's highlight for me was definitely the Bug -> Ghost -> Free sandwich. I've never heard a more raging Bug, Free smoked, and Ghost was absoutely incredible. There was a banner hung along the back of the T&M stating "871 Days Since Last Ghost." Phish had to play this one, and they did not disappoint with it. Hood was also a blast. They had a lot of fun with the intro jam.

As good as night one was, Sunday night was absolutely mindblowing. DWD -> 7 Below was one of the most perfectly executed jams I've ever heard and way better than anything I saw em do in 99 or 2000. Piper -> DWD is an absolute must hear. The Piper jam took on a new wavey feel for a long while. Brilliant stuff. I highly recommend seeking out this show.

This band is tight right now. No flubs or half assed playing like 2000. They seem reenergized. The setlists might not be blow-your-doors-off crazy, but the songs are played so well that it doesn't matter. Give me a well-played Antelope over a sloppily played rarity any day.

One thing...what is up with their encores. Sample in a Jar on Saturday was disappointing...standard and ho hum. I like the song, but it's a poor choice for a grand finale. Friday is also a good song, but really bad timing on this one. After an incredibly energetic show, send us out raging. Don't calm us down.

A final note... I didn't catch any after parties. moe. was incredibly sold out, but I did hear good things about Saturday's show. I talked to a buddy that saw 'em on Suday, and he said that that show was just alright. He left before it was completely over. I sold my Particle tickets. Phish wiped me out like they haven't done in a long long time. I didn't need any more music after I walked out of the T&M on Saturday or Sunday. After seeing these shows, the hiatus definitely did them some good...this band is making me feel like I did when I first got into them...

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Re: Phish 2/15 and 16

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I highly recommend seeking out this show.



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Re: Re: Phish 2/15 and 16

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Oh, don't worry. It was pre-ordered before the show was even played...
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Old 02-19-03, 03:50 PM
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Life on Mars... Good tune, good cover... Last saw it at Deer Creek... Jeeeze... Maybe 6 or 7 years ago?

Agreed about the encores. Lame. At least they didn't play Character Zero... Oh... Wait...
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Actually, I was disappointed when they started up Character Zero, but as the song got going, that disappointment faded. It is overplayed, and it's definitely a cop-out way for Phish to end a show (guaranteed high energy set closer). However, I hadn't seen it live in over two years, and I do like the song. The encores on the other hand, well, there's no justifying them (particularly Sample).
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Old 02-20-03, 11:54 AM
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Any one going to be in the lots tonight in Rosemont?

See you there.
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Old 02-20-03, 12:06 PM
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Did you get tickets, Grunter, or just going to the lot? If you don't have tickets, I did hear that in L.A. there were tons of extras floating about, and people were actually giving tickets away right before the show started. The situation in Vegas was way different...couldn't buy a ticket in the lot for under $100 from what I'd seen.
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Yes, I did finally find some tickets.

They're marked as "behind the stage" - but with Phish, that isn't usually a detriment. They don't normally use a backdrop and seeing the band isn't always as fun as seeing the crowd.

I'm in the building though - and I guess that's what counts.
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Originally posted by grunter
Yes, I did finally find some tickets.

They're marked as "behind the stage" - but with Phish, that isn't usually a detriment. They don't normally use a backdrop and seeing the band isn't always as fun as seeing the crowd.

I'm in the building though - and I guess that's what counts.
One of my best Phish experiences was behind stage, Page side. Kuroda usually gives the behind stage folk a pretty good show that only they can appreciate.
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Old 02-20-03, 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by grunter
They don't normally use a backdrop
In Vegas, there was a curtain behind the stage before they came out, which I found odd because they don't usually use one. I don't remember it being there after the show began though. Then again, it really wasn't the first thing on my mind either.

I'm sure most of you have seen the Denver setlist already, but finally a decent encore (at least for me, but I've also got a weakness for Mexican Cousin for some reason)...

1: Runaway Jim, Water in the Sky, Twist Around > Squirming Coil, Brian and Robert, Stash > The Wedge, Birds of a Feather, Lawn Boy, Walls of the Cave
2: Moma Dance, Limb by Limb, Thunderhead, Divided Sky, Carini*, You Enjoy Myself**
E: NICU, Mexican Cousin

Notes: * - with start/stop jamming; ** - vocal jam ended with a vacuum solo which segued into a short rendition of The Lion Sleeps Tonight
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Originally posted by Gdrlv


I'm sure most of you have seen the Denver setlist already, but finally a decent encore (at least for me, but I've also got a weakness for Mexican Cousin for some reason)...
NICU is fine for me, Mexican Cousin is a good bonus.



Three of my best friends are going to the show tonight. Can't wait until Monday!! Then Friday, then Saturday!!! WooHOO!! I'm going to be all Phished out!!
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4 hours till showtime!! Still got an extra if anyone wants it!!
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So, Bust, how was BB King? From the setlists, it's looking like DWD is the song of the tour...they've been playing it constantly.
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Originally posted by Gdrlv
So, Bust, how was BB King? From the setlists, it's looking like DWD is the song of the tour...they've been playing it constantly.
I really appreciate the significance of seeing B.B. with the boys, and there were some amazing moments between him and Trey, but I thought Page's solos during the blues numbers were the highlights. That being said, they went on way too long, but it made for good conversation music and I would never ever complain. I just hope I see as good of a show on Friday.

Btw...The Farmhouse Encore was awesome. Really well played.
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Yeah, the guests can kill the energy sometimes. In fact, when it all comes down, I'd almost always just rather see Phish. When Kid Rock came out in Vegas in 2000, it was fun for two songs. Then, they had to do two more and end the show with him...by that time, I just wanted another Phish song though. 45 minutes of BB King probably would be a little much, particularly when you think about what they could have done with that 45 minutes if he wasn't there...

That being said, I've seen some good guests as well...particularly Bob Weir and Del McCoury.
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B.B. had a blast. That fat bastard was really getting into the crowd participation. Encouraging us, prompting us to repeat was he was saying...it was cool.

There was a guy sitting directly behind us that must have absolutely hated B.B. King, because he was screaming and yelling how he paid to see Phish songs and wouldn't freaking shut up. That was during the jam of the first B.B. song. You should have seen him by the third.

The bad part was, no one said anything to him, probably because he looked like he could have been a professional wrestler (ripped) and I guess no one wanted to take a chance. He looked pretty irate. I was just happy that ******* had his night ruined.
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bust, are you talking about the guy in the black tank top, about 5 rows back on the floor on mike's side? just wondering... saw that guy from where i was...

anyways, i just typed up a review and posted to another board, so i figured i'd post it here.. i'm not gonna edit anything out - there's a couple 'inside' jokes in there that won't apply to this board, so... here ya go:

first, from phish.net:

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02/24/03 Meadowlands - NJ

1 (86 min): Down with Disease (14 min), Corinne Corrina* (7 min), Wolfman's Brother (10 min) > Limb by Limb (11 min), Everyday I Have the Blues (23 min)**, The Thrill is Gone (12 min) **, Rock Me Baby (12 min) **
2 (81 min): Halley's Comet (13), Harry Hood^ (14), Heavy Things (8), Twist Around -> Jam -> Twist (18), All of These Dreams (5), Waves (9), Sample In A Jar (5), Chalkdust Torture (9)
E: Farmhouse (7)

Notes: * - third time played since 1989; ** - first time played, and WITH B.B. KING!!; ^ - w/ glow skirmishes (not quite wars, and end dragged out as Trey sets up delay loop for Heavy Things.

Stats: Only three 2/24 shows in Phishtory ('88, '89, and '90), never before on a Monday.

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i was psyched for this show, as i got rid of my cincy tix, so this was my first of the tour.. seeing the setlists and reading some reviews, it seemed like they finally got their act together and they're back in business.. plus the fact that trey's hometown shows usually have a little something special, i was really looking forward to this...

turned out to be one of the most lopsided shows i've ever seen.

had a fantastic seat for this - right next to the stage, mike's side, 5 rows up.. hadn't been this close to the band since being front & center on 6/30/00.

dwd opener was really good. not too long, not too short... JUST right. corrine was a nice surprise; hadn't seen it since big cypress..

which makes me have to agree with wolfman - these phish.net setlists are just ASSENINE ... '3rd time played since...' when do you stop denoting that? 4th time? 5th time?? come on.. and the header - "Meadowlands - NJ" ??? are you kidding? where'd they play, in the parking lot?? christ... only 3 shows on 2/24 in 'phishtory'!!! OOH! REAL important!

anyways, back to work, and speaking of wolfman, this one was groovin - almost as hard as i was when i went to bed the next morning after pb's 12/31/01 show... into a nice limb by limb, and i couldn't take my eyes off fishman... he was working some SER mojo in this one... very nice...

so then trey says they're gonna call up a 'friend', and a guy on the floor right in front of me brought a chair up on stage and set it up... COULD IT BE?!?? IS OUR SHINGLED WONDER SITTING IN WITH PHISH!?!?!? HOLY ****!!!

alas, it was only bb king. but seriously, when i saw bb start walking up the stairs, i was flipping! this legend was about to play with one of my favorite bands on earth, and i felt honored to be there.

well, in all honesty, it ended up being pretty painful to watch.

'everyday' kicked off, and it was sweet! bb belting out the verses and playing the blues with phish.. nice bb solo, nice trey solo! SWEET! unfortunately, the next 20 minutes was a go-nowhere blues jam, which trey spent TRYING to get bb to trade licks with him, but bb wanted NOTHING to do with it... kinda sucks.. trey was just trying and trying and trying, but bb just sat and watched him..

ok, so it didn't turn out according to plan, but it was cool to see bb up there with phish.. back to the phish... but NO - we got not one, but 2 more songs with bb, that suffered the same fate. the songs were really good, and they should have just played the songs, each taken a solo, and that would have been that.. but really, it was PAINFUL to watch what was going on on stage... really.

by the middle of the 3rd bb tune, i was asking myself if it was halloween. i really missed phish at this point, and this whole thing just went on for WAY too long.. finally it ended, as did phish's first set. bb got a HUGE ovation, from me as well, and looked very happy about it.

the set seemed to go really late (hell, the whole bb thing was about 50 minutes itself), and i thought we'd be getting a short set 2 and out by 11-11:15...

the boys came back out around 10:30. while discussing the first tune, trey played the first couple notes (that mike sings) of halley's comet on the guitar (which sounds a LOT like the first 2 notes of reba), and we ALL thought we were getting a reba... alas, mike started halley's, and i wasn't disappointed in the least. it was a nice surprise, since i was expecting reba, and it was funky as hell with some good jamming...

despite what phish.net says, it was actually halley's comet > harry hood... hood was great as well, and i was *seriously* thinking they would end the set after it! i know 2-song second sets don't happen, but it was 11pm by the time hood was over.. plus, the energy level being where it was at, i would not have complained if they ended on a good note...

and then there was heavy things... heavy things piled on top of the energy that WAS thru the roof, and weighed it all the way down to the floor. very sloppy also, as trey was fumbling the lyrics, and mixed up the 1st and 2nd chorus.

phish.net strikes again: twist > jam > twist??! shut up. it was an 18 minute twist... damn that's annoying.. anyways, it was ok, but a bit sloppy also... and 2 farmhouse tunes in a row... at THIS point, i was asking myself what year it was, as it felt like summer '99...

all of these dreams isn't a bad tune, but it's a sleeper.. and twist isn't the most energetic song in the world, so the mood was extremely mellow at this point... waves didn't do anything for me either, as it pretty much kept that energy level down..

in comes sample, and i figured it'd be the set closer.. i'll take this time to point out this REALLY annoying thing that trey is doing now.. not just in sample, but also twist, heavy things - he's doing it a LOT - singing 'behind the beat' slightly... hard to describe, but not singing the notes as they're written, but kind of slurring and draging them out a half note or so... it sounds ok in some spots, but for the most part, it really hurts a lot of the songs he does it in, and i hope he doesn't continue to do it..

after sample, trey started chalkdust, and i was shocked, and happy... would definitely rather go out on that than sample.. pretty rockin' version too..

then a farmhouse encore, and the mellow encores continue...

overall, not a bad show, but like i said: REALLY lopsided.. definitely had its moments, but also had its moments i could have done without...

woosta wednesday. boo yeah.

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mkdevo - Good review. You can't judge the quality of a show by simply looking at the setlist, but your review echoes exactly what I thought the show would've been like after looking at the set last night. A bit disappointing to see Heavy Things, Sample and All of These Dreams in the second set together (particularly when they encore with Farmhouse). I like all these songs, but short tunes are better in the first set rather than the heart of the second. Phish is playing wonderfully right now, but some of their song choices have been questionable this tour.

A shame about BB's performance. At first, I was very excited to see he played with the boys last night. I guess they shouldn't have tried to jam as hard with him. A lot of musicians (no matter how talented) just aren't capable of doing exploratory jams.
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bust, are you talking about the guy in the black tank top, about 5 rows back on the floor on mike's side? just wondering... saw that guy from where i was...

Nope.

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Originally posted by Gdrlv
I like all these songs, but short tunes are better in the first set rather than the heart of the second. Phish is playing wonderfully right now, but some of their song choices have been questionable this tour.
You have to look at it from the bands's point of view though. These are their songs. I'm sure they have their favorites, but they must love them all, or they would never play them. Every Phish song is somebody's favorite, for whatever reason.

I get the feeling that these guys don't care what we think of the setlist. They're just going up there and rocking out (mostly) their tunes. Not every show will have your dream setlist.
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Just got this email from one of my best friends...

Sounds like you had a pretty good time. Good deal
that you didn't get busted for showing up to work
late. So is it going to be the same show on Friday?
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Originally posted by Gdrlv
A shame about BB's performance. At first, I was very excited to see he played with the boys last night. I guess they shouldn't have tried to jam as hard with him. A lot of musicians (no matter how talented) just aren't capable of doing exploratory jams.
exactly.. which is why afterwards, i can see how GREAT it would have been if they just played those 3 songs without jamming. it was almost like bb was really shy about trading licks with trey.. he just wasn't biting at all..

i hope philly sucks.

(i had tickets but i'm not gonna be able to go.)
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You have to look at it from the bands's point of view though. These are their songs. I'm sure they have their favorites, but they must love them all, or they would never play them. Every Phish song is somebody's favorite, for whatever reason.

I get the feeling that these guys don't care what we think of the setlist. They're just going up there and rocking out (mostly) their tunes. Not every show will have your dream setlist.
I don't expect every show to be my dream setlist, and Phish has the right to play whatever the hell they feel like playing (with the exception of Prince Caspian ). Their song choices have been questionable to me occasionally, but I realize this is just one guy's opinion. Also, like I said, I think their playing has been much better than in 99 or 00, and I'm more than satisfied with what I've heard from the tour. Hell, a year ago, I'd have been thrilled to see a set of Phish that included Sample, Bouncing, Heavy Things, Farmhouse and (shudder) Caspian. It's much easier to be critical now that they're back together. Sample and Friday weren't my top two encore choices in Vegas, but I still left the shows grinning from ear to ear.

I guess that sounded a bit defensive. Just don't want anyone to think I'm one of those hypercritical fans that will never be happy no matter what the band is doing. Then again, I've spent enough time and money on this band that I feel like I've got a right to be at least a little critical.
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Then again, I've spent enough time and money on this band that I feel like I've got a right to be at least a little critical.
amen.

we have much more of a right than an actual 'critic', who goes to see the band one time and bases an opinion just on that..
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Originally posted by mkdevo
i hope philly sucks.

(i had tickets but i'm not gonna be able to go.)
According to a friend who called me a few times throughout the night (teasing me with snippets of Slave, Cities and Pebbles), Philly did not suck. Sorry.
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