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Phish - Feb. 2003 Tour Dates
From Phish.com...
Phish will play twelve dates the second half of February 2003, including a Valentine's Day tour opener in Los Angeles and two-night runs in Las Vegas and Cincinnati. The dates are as follows: 2/14 The Forum Los Angeles, CA 2/15 Thomas & Mack Center Las Vegas, NV 2/16 Thomas & Mack Center Las Vegas, NV 2/18 Pepsi Center Denver, CO 2/20 Allstate Arena Chicago, IL 2/21 U.S. Bank Arena Cincinnati, OH 2/22 U.S. Bank Arena Cincinnati, OH 2/24 Continental Airlines Arena East Rutherford, NJ 2/25 First Union Spectrum Philadelphia, PA 2/26 Centrum Centre Worcester, MA 2/28 Nassau Coliseum Uniondale, NY 3/01 Greensboro Coliseum Greensboro, NC |
got a feeling they will be though.. :(
ALSO: PHISH TO PLAY SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE ON DECEMBER 14 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Phish will be the musical guest on "Saturday Night Live" on Saturday, December 14. The appearance will be the band's first official performance together in over two years. Al Gore will host the show, which airs at 11:30 PM EST / 10:30 PM CST on NBC. |
Damn, you beat me to it ;). I can't wait to go back the the Worcester Centrum, it's a nasty place but I've seen some great shows there (and I took my girlfriend to her first Phish concert there).
Also (from the Phish Update email I just got): PHISH TO PLAY SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE ON DECEMBER 14 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Phish will be the musical guest on "Saturday Night Live" on Saturday, December 14. The appearance will be the band's first official performance together in over two years. Al Gore will host the show, which airs at 11:30 PM EST / 10:30 PM CST on NBC. :D Edit: Crap, I got beat to the SNL info as well..... |
i was gonna say it's good to see them back @ the centrum as well.. they always play great shows there.. and icculus, i dunno if you've been there lately, but they've really cleaned up the place...
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I think the last time I was at the Centrum was to seen Nine Inch Nails.. I think it was in '99. One of the guys who worked ther told me that he didn't think Phish would ever be coming back because of some trouble they had at the '98 shows... I'm glad he was wrong.
It's good to hear they cleaned up the place. Unfortunately it's still in the same area, if you take a few wrong turn leaving you're having your after show party in the ghetto ;). I can't wait to park at the Aku Aku again :D. |
So far, it's looking like I'll be attempting tickets for the Vegas shows and (possibly) the Greensboro show. I've got some good friends in NC that I've been meaning to visit, and I've never seen a better excuse to do it...
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icculus - sorry, i should have been more clear.. the whole area looks better! much cleaner around the venue. was up there a few weeks ago. parked at a hotel ~1/4 mile from the venue, and got right on the highway on the way out.
i've gotton lost several times leaving there, and it's not fun. but there really is a whole new look to the surrounding area, and it's for the better... anyways, looks like i'll try to get tickets to: 2/24 Continental Airlines Arena East Rutherford, NJ 2/25 First Union Spectrum Philadelphia, PA 2/26 Centrum Centre Worcester, MA 2/28 Nassau Coliseum Uniondale, NY 3/01 Greensboro Coliseum Greensboro, NC |
Originally posted by mkdevo icculus - sorry, i should have been more clear.. the whole area looks better! much cleaner around the venue. was up there a few weeks ago. parked at a hotel ~1/4 mile from the venue, and got right on the highway on the way out. i've gotton lost several times leaving there, and it's not fun. but there really is a whole new look to the surrounding area, and it's for the better... At this point I'm probably going to end up going to just Worcester and Nassau but things always change. The last time I said I was just going to one local show I ended up finishing the whole tour :D. |
Well I officially got shut out of New Jersey and Long Island. Guess that's the bitter justice for getting NYE tix.
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posted this in the other thread, but here's my story:
you know what? i'm seriously thinking about just 'hanging it up' with phish, after 79 shows.. ordered 2 tix for each of the the last SEVEN feb shows - taper preferred. know what i got?? 2 tix for the first night of cincinnatti - non-taper - the place that's farthest away from me!! they really need to go back to the old system... the old system which required people to actually have MONEY to get tickets... i'm extremely fed up right now. :( i'm gonna give it a shot on saturday. just have to figure out how i'm gonna be in 6 places at once. :( |
My guess is that there's very few Phish fans who are as loyal to the band or who have spent as much money on the band as I have over the years, and it kind of feels like a slap in the face that after all this time, I'm not even able to get tickets to my hometown shows. I absolutely despise the new tickets by mail system. I'd never been turned down before this tour, and now I've been rejected from NYE, all 3 Hamptons, Vegas and Greensboro. Something's gotta change, or like you said mkdevo, I'll be hanging my hat up on this band very soon...
I hate to say it, and I won't follow them as much anymore if this does happen...maybe it's time to start doing the stadium thing. Continually not being able to even come close to satisfying fan demand for tickets is a recipe for disaster, and I don't want to see Phish start getting banned from cities like the Dead did years ago. |
Aw crap.
The February tour tix go on sale at "Ticketbastard" this Saturday, don't they? Two weeks before Christmas, when I'm flat broke - of course. From past experience, I know never to try to get tickets to any "on sale" show online the instant it actually goes "on sale." Electronic ticketing is the pits. It favors those with broadband connections and introduces a huge element of unpredictability to the process that just isn't good. I have a feeling that it's just this February tour that's going to be difficult to obtain tickets for. Scalpers are now hip to the fact that they can potentially get multiple times face value for seats to the reunited Phish -- so the demand from non-fans is at an all-time high. Yes, it sucks. But what can we do about it? Write to the band and tell them to switch back to mail-order? Somehow I don't think they'd be easily persuaded. |
Well, a friend who hadn't heard from Phish received an email this afternoon that confirmed we've got tickets for the second night in Vegas. Got turned down for the first night, but it's looking like a friend may be able to score some seats for that show as well...
In a much better mood right now than I was yesterday at this time. |
Well, I did get my tickets for the Worcester show but I have a lot of friends who were shut out this year.... I figured it was because these are some of the first shows since the hiatus and the easier mail order system, but then I read this in today's Phishnet digest:
But what if the supply available to PTBM relative to pre-hiatus was reduced by, say, 80%? This past May Dave Marsh has an excellent article in Counterpunch, "Why I Voted for Nader: Ticketmaster's Stranglehold over Music & Politics" -- <http://www.counterpunch.org/marsh0527.html>. Quote: "'Til recently, there has been a way around Ticketmaster's "convenience." An artist holds a percentage of tickets for its fan club. Most artists hold 10 percent, but Dave Matthews, probably the biggest concert draw in North America, holds about half the tickets to his shows. Ticketmaster's various "conveniences" do not apply to such sales. Some--not many--artists add their own surcharges, but those are always far less than Ticketmaster would apply. Ticketmaster doesn't like the practicing of not offering concert-goers its conveniences. A couple weeks ago, venues and concert promoters around the country received letters from Ticketmaster, which controls sales at virtually all of them. The letter claimed that artist holds for fan clubs violate Ticketmaster contracts. A week or so later, Ticketmaster sent another letter, modifying the earlier one. According to this latest missive, artists can hold back no more than eight per cent of their tickets, and they can only sell them to fan clubs of which Ticketmaster approves--there has to be an annual fee of at least $15, for instance." As I understood it, in the past PTBM held upwards of 50% of tickets to their shows. If it is now 8% or anything close, this is critical information. If the rate of filled PTBM orders is, say, 1 in 5, *but the supply was cut by 80%*, I'd say that fills out the picture pretty clearly. This directly impacts artificial demand: if scalper's see a similar rate of rejection and anticipate similar demand to that of the holiday shows, they are going to redouble their efforts at Ticketmaster. To borrow from the week's headlined regarding the treasury secretary (though at of course exponentially reduced importance), the market is looking for some well articulated guidance. Again, Phish doesn't "owe" anything anyone, they are a private legal entity who can reveal or not reveal whatever they like about their internal workings. That said and perception being so important, if they have only a small percentage of their previous ticket supply, giving us a clue would be a big help. I guess the proof is in the pudding -- the ease or lack thereof acquiring tickets through Ticketmaster on Saturday. |
Now I ask you: how can Ticketmaster still claim they're not a monopoly at this point?
Sounds to me like they just effectively cut out their only plausible "competition" in the fanclubs. |
Originally posted by grunter I have a feeling that it's just this February tour that's going to be difficult to obtain tickets for. Scalpers are now hip to the fact that they can potentially get multiple times face value for seats to the reunited Phish -- so the demand from non-fans is at an all-time high. Yes, it sucks. But what can we do about it? Write to the band and tell them to switch back to mail-order? Somehow I don't think they'd be easily persuaded. Scalpers have always tried to make money off of Phish shows and, at least in my experience, have usually failed. I've seen tons of scalpers standing outside the venues of the "big" shows (NYE, Halloween, Haptons, etc.) with a big stack of unsold tickets after the show starts. It seems like people will go to ridiculous lengths to get tickets but most refuse to pay much over face... Unfortunately, like you said, demand from non-fans is probably huge - scalpers will probably make money off this tour and try again with the next. Hopefully things will have calmed down by the next tour and they will go back to losing money again :D. I'd love it if they went back to the regular mail order (not that it's going to happen). Not only did I have an advantage over those who don't know how to follow simple directions (it's too easy to just enter your cc info now) but I also miss the whole ritual :(. I hate to say it, and I won't follow them as much anymore if this does happen...maybe it's time to start doing the stadium thing. Continually not being able to even come close to satisfying fan demand for tickets is a recipe for disaster, and I don't want to see Phish start getting banned from cities like the Dead did years ago. |
As I understood it, in the past PTBM held upwards of 50% of tickets to their shows no way. anyone who has been mailordering with phish for any amount of time knows that they never got anywhere NEAR 50% of the tickets to any given show. no way. |
Originally posted by Bust Well I officially got shut out of New Jersey and Long Island. Guess that's the bitter justice for getting NYE tix. I have now scored tix to NJ through a coworker who will also have extras to Greensboro if I decide to make that trip. I think it might be worth it for the tour closer. I'm still going to try for Long Island, but I'm not paying over face. Wish I was in Hampton. :( |
I just looked on Fleebay for two tix to Greensboro, Jeez 180 bucks. Looks Like Im gonna miss out on any shows for this year. Maybe they will hit Bonaroo June 13-14
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Glad to see that they're coming to AZ.
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