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Old 12-08-22, 03:59 PM
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I think that the thing about KISS is that they blew up in the late 1970s, and had become self-indulgent (the solo albums, "Double Platinum," the tv movie) and cartoony (again, the tv movie; the dolls, the make-up kits, and all of the other merchandise filling up toy store shelves). They became hugely popular with children, and I think that alienated a lot of their older fanbase. It wasn't dangerous and sexy, it was a toy line.

I don't think it was flirting with disco that tanked them in the 1980s, it was that their late teen/early 20s fanbase had abandoned them when they went after the kiddie market, and the kids who bought the dolls and lunch boxes in the 70s outgrew them.
I was one of those children, my friend introduced me to KISS late 77/early 78 when I was 10 years old and KISS was at their commercial peak. I bought the Marvel comics, the KISS dolls, a bunch of magazines on which they were on the cover, and of course all the albums. I dressed up as Ace Frehley for Halloween and the following year as Peter Criss. During those years I was totally obsessed by two things, Star Wars and KISS, they were everywhere back in 77/78. Like many, I got off the KISS train with Unmasked when I was starting my teen years and didn't get on board again until Asylum, at which point I went back and bought all the albums I missed. So maybe not hearing Unmasked and The Elder when they first came out but a few years later gave me a different perspective to them, but I loved them both instantly when I finally heard them .


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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Originally Posted by cultshock
I was one of those children, my friend introduced me to KISS late 77/early 78 when I was 10 years old and KISS was at their commercial peak. I bought the Marvel comics, the KISS dolls, a bunch of magazines on which they were on the cover, and of course all the albums. I dressed up as Ace Frehley for Halloween and the following year as Peter Criss. During those years I was totally obsessed by two things, Star Wars and KISS, they were everywhere back in 77/78. Like many, I got off the KISS train with Unmasked when I was starting my teen years and didn't get on board again until Asylum, at which point I went back and bought all the albums I missed. So maybe not hearing Unmasked and The Elder when they first came out but a few years later gave me a different perspective to them, but I loved them both instantly when I finally heard them .
Sounds like we could have been friends back in Grade 5 ...

My first concert was seeing KISS on the Love Gun tour when I was 9. Had all their albums, the Marvel comic, magazines, bubblegum cards, etc. I even tape-recorded the audio from KISS Meets The Phantom Of The Park when it aired on tv and would listen to that cassette religiously (still know the dialog and music cues to this day) ... . The last album I bought was Dynasty, lost interest not long after that and moved on to other artists during my teen years. Still enjoy their early to mid 70s output (Destroyer and Hotter Than Hell being my favorites). Thought the MTV Unplugged performance was very cool - hearing Peter's vocals kick in on Nothin' To Lose and Ace singing 2000 Man brought back a lot of good memories (and, yeah, a tear to my eye). Saw them again 20 years after that first concert on their reunion tour in 1997. Kind of brought things full circle, I suppose. Not interested in seeing them again. They were certainly a big part of my childhood, though, no doubt. I thought the Paul Lynde Halloween Special in '76 was the greatest tv show ever when it first aired.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I know that Vinnie didn't play on the album, but neither did Ace. And Ace was already on his way out of the band by then, anyway, and this is the only place where Vinnie in the "Guitar Wizard" makeup would go on an album.
At minimum, Vinnie was officially credited in writing three songs under his alleged real name Vincent Cusano. They are: I Love It Loud, Killer, and I Still Love You.

How much he actually played on Creatures, is somewhat murkier.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Vinnie also co-wrote Unholy, Heart of Chrome, and I Just Wanna for Revenge album. It says he also played the guitar intro on Unholy.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

This is a pretty cool release for KISS fans: Ships on April 6, 2023
KISS’s fifth authorized Soundboard live release is from the November 28, 1984 Animalize Tour show from the Mid-Hudson Civic Arena in Poughkeepsie, NY featuring the only known soundboard recording with Mark St. John. “Young And Wasted” and “Rock And Roll All Nite” are unfortunately incomplete recordings, but due to the historical importance of this show with Mark we hope you all rock out to this as hard as we have. Available on CD.

Tracklist

1. Detroit Rock City
2. Cold Gin
3. Creatures of the Night
4. Fits Like a Glove
5. Heaven's on Fire
6. Guitar Solo
7. Under the Gun
8. War Machine
9. Drum Solo
10. Young and Wasted (Incomplete)
11. Bass Solo
12. I Love It Loud
13. I Still Love You
14. Love Gun
15. Black Diamond
16. Oh! Susanna
17. Lick It Up
18. Rock and Roll All Nite (Incomplete)


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Off The Soundboard: Live In Poughkeepsie 1984 CD – KISS Official Store (shopkissonline.com)
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

I just read about this elsewhere. Very cool surprise, Mark St. John only played two and a half shows with the band before being replaced by Bruce.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Today is the 50th anniversary of their very first concert, at Popcorn (shortly thereafter changed to The Coventry) in Queens, NY. Here's a pic of them from that night (along with their keyboard player, Larry, who was fired after the show for not having the right image. )

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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

The album previously exclusive to Walmart, Sonic Boom, was added to streaming platforms last week
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The album previously exclusive to Walmart, Sonic Boom, was added to streaming platforms last week
I really like Sonic Boom and Monster.
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My brother called me earlier to let me know that a guy he works with sold him the Creatures Of The Night super deluxe box set for $100 and he is bringing it by after work.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

I think I just saw you post that in another forum as well, it's weird when that happens.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Originally Posted by cultshock
I think I just saw you post that in another forum as well, it's weird when that happens.
Yeah, here and at the Steve Hoffman site are the only two places I frequent anymore.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

It irked me that they never let Tommy perform "When Lightning Strikes" live from Sonic Boom. It's one of the better tracks on that album.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Originally Posted by stvn1974
My brother called me earlier to let me know that a guy he works with sold him the Creatures Of The Night super deluxe box set for $100 and he is bringing it by after work.
That's a fantastic deal on a fantastic set.

My wife gave it to me for xmas and I have gone through most of it and it is awesome. A lot of great, unheard music is included on it.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

I actually like more of the demos and unreleased tracks than what is on the actual album. I still dig the album though.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Originally Posted by stvn1974
Yeah, here and at the Steve Hoffman site are the only two places I frequent anymore.
Yeah, me too, other than one or two metal forums occasionally.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Kiss sells catalog, brand name and IP. Gene Simmons assures fans it is a 'collaboration'



It’s never really the end of the road for Kiss. The hard rock quartet have sold their catalog, brand name and IP to Swedish company Pophouse Entertainment Group in a deal estimated to be over $300 million, it was announced Thursday.

This isn't the first time Kiss has partnered with Pophouse, which was co-founded by ABBA’s Björn Ulvaeus. When the band's current lineup — founders Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons as well as guitarist Tommy Thayer and drummer Eric Singer — took the stage at the final night of their farewell tour in December at New York City's famed Madison Square Garden, they ended by revealing digitized avatars of themselves.

The cutting-edge technology was created by George Lucas’ special-effects company, Industrial Light & Magic, in partnership with Pophouse. The two companies recently teamed up for the “ABBA Voyage” show in London, in which fans could attend a full concert by the Swedish band in their heyday, as performed by their own digital avatars.

The ways in which Kiss' avatars will be utilized has yet to be announced, but Pophouse CEO Per Sundin says fans can expect a biopic, a documentary and a Kiss experience on the horizon.

An avatar show is scheduled to launch in the second half of 2027 — but don't expect it to look anything like “ABBA Voyage," Sundin told the AP. And fans can expect it to kick off in North America.

Sundin says the goal of the purchase is to expose Kiss to new generations — which he believes sets Pophouse apart from other acquisitions of music catalogs.

“The record companies, the three big ones that are left, they’re doing a fantastic job, but they have so many catalogs and they can’t focus on everything,” he says. “We work together with Universal (Music Group) and Kiss, even though we will own the artists rights, and we're doing it in conjunction with Kiss. But yes, we bought all rights, and that's not something I've seen that clear before."

“I don't like the word acquisition,” Gene Simmons tells the AP over Zoom, assuring the band would never sell their catalog to a company they didn't appreciate.

“Collaboration is exactly what it’s about. It would be remiss in our inferred fiduciary duty — see what I just did there? — to the thing that we created to abandon it," he continued. “People might misunderstand and think, ‘OK, now Pophouse is doing that stuff and we’re just in Beverly Hills twiddling our thumbs.’ No, that’s not true. We’re in the trenches with them. We talk all the time. We share ideas. It’s a collaboration. Paul (Stanley) and I especially, with the band, we’ll stay committed to this. It’s our baby."

And within that: no more live touring, for real. “We’re not going to tour again as Kiss, period,” he says. “We’re not going to go put the makeup on and go out there.”

Kiss are Pophouse's second investment outside of Sweden: In February, Cyndi Lauper entered a partnership with the company which including the sale of the majority share of her music and a new immersive performance project she's calling an “immersive theater piece” that transports audiences to the New York she grew up in.

The aim is to develop new ways to bring Lauper’s music to fans and younger audiences through new performances and live experiences.

“Most suits, when you tell them an idea, their eyes glaze over, they just want your greatest hits,” Lauper told the AP at the Pophouse headquarters in Stockholm in February. “But these guys are a multimedia company, they’re not looking to just buy my catalog, they want to make something new."

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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Yeah, read this the other day. Not sure what to think about this. I guess I don't really care.

I just hope it doesn't stop future Super Deluxe Editions like they did for Destroyer and Creatures Of The Night. I really enjoy those.

I would be stunned if the avatar concert thing goes anywhere.
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Selling the catalog off isn't really a new thing. A lot of artists have been doing it in recent years.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

They didn't just sell their catalog, though. They sold their while brand.

Sounds like ABBA is going to turn them into some kind of virtual band. (That could be the plot to a sequel to KISS Meets the Phantom!)
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Is publishing rights different from "catalog", because I thought they had sold those rights (or most of them) years ago?
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

According to Rolling Stone:

The deal involves all of Kiss’ master recordings and publishing rights, and in a unique addition to other catalog acquisitions, also includes the band’s characters — Gene Simmons’ God of Thunder, Paul Stanley’s Star Child — and their distinct makeup.
So it looks like they basically sold everything. Sort of like George Lucas selling Star Wars to Disney.
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Oops, I bet that Peter and Ace are kicking themselves for giving up their makeup rights.
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Good for them. Nice retirement.

I am sure they talked it over with all their kids and thought it was the right thing to do since they built it and earned it.
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Re: The Official "I'm finally embarrassed to be a KISS fan" thread.

Originally Posted by d2cheer
Good for them. Nice retirement.

I am sure they talked it over with all their kids and thought it was the right thing to do since they built it and earned it.

It's just the proverbial cherry on top. Gene was already worth 400 million and Paul is worth 200 million, even before this deal was announced.


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