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Originally Posted by sm8680
I love rap always have always will.
There's just too much great material that came out between '88-'98 that could cover a century of rap. |
jurrasic 5 is good also.
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Damn, I remember going to the prom in 86 and poppin in Raising Hell for my date "what is this, rap? Oh yeah, I like this stuff"
I used to be the cool kid that knew all the latest rap...Oh how times have changed! Thank God I entered my Heavy Metal stage! Seriously, I have always dug good rap and will search out and find the good stuff. When rap is done right, it's as potent as any music out there, it's just not done right very often. Love J5, Nas, Beastie Boys, EPMD, all the standards. Some new great stuff I am into; K OS - very melodic, infectious beats; The Streets - British talk-rap with a funky twist; Handsome Boy Modeling School - trippy, wonderful stuff, it gets no better! Black Eyed Peas - just because they had a few mainstream hits takes nuttin away from this hella creative album; and I always have to end with BIG, he's my altime fav, great flow, comical lyrics, genius. To the bad; there is a whole lot wrong with rap right now, cannot believe how overrated Nelly (that entire album is off key!) Ludacris (yes, you like sex, we get it) and anything with Lil John, serenity now! Oh, and on the off chance of pulling a few over to the dark side, the new Slayer DVD is awesome! |
I started this thread three years ago. Since then I will say that I do like stuff like The Streets. But I haven't changed my opinion that much! I liked a few songs from the double Outkast recording, but even that had too many cheesy moments. And the Roots aren't that bad.
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I've been pushing this album:
http://www.coolfer.com/blog/blog/images/Madvillain.jpg for the past year on this forum, it's probably the best rap album I've heard since Midnight Marauders. It has a lot of drug (pot) references, but in a silly/surreal way, not a tough guy/gangsta way. It's an amazing album, if Sun Ra had made rap, he would have made this album. Allmusic's review: Madvillainy represents the highly anticipated collaboration between Madlib and MF Doom. Recorded throughout 2003 -- a year which, between the two of them (under various aliases), saw more than eight releases featuring their work. When Madvillainy was released in March 2004 it became obvious that the best was saved for last as MF Doom's unpredictable lyrical style fits quite nicely within Madlib's unconventional beat orchestrations. Twenty-two short and blunted tracks bang out mythical stories of villains and urban (anti) heroes trying to make it through with their ganja and wits still intact -- each flows together in a comic book fashion sometimes segued with vignettes sampled from 1940s movies and broadcasts or left-field marjuana-toting skits. Madvillainy's strength lies in its mix between seemingly obtuse beats, samples, MCing, and some straight-up hip-hop bumping. Take "Accordion" for example. A wacky accordion sample loops throughout a slow-paced beat and lazy bass line while Doom flies through almost unaware of the background at times. Or "Raid," which features a beat that seems to be so out of time or step with a traditional hip-hop direction. But Doom sits quite comfortable within its frame and sets up Medaphor for a slick guest appearance. Other guests include the bad character, Lord Quasimoto, on "Americas Most Blunted" and the Sun Ra-inspired "Shadows of Tomorrow"; Wildchild blasts million-miles-an-hour rhymes on "Hardcore Hustle" and Stacy Epps floats through "Eye." Madvillainy gets close to the genius seen on Quasimoto's Unseen, and like that record this one might take a few listens to find it. But once it clicks in, this disc stays in the CD player for days. For those who may have downloaded Madvillainy from file-sharing networks before its actual release, keep in mind that those were demos and do not represent the final product. Go out and buy it. |
No love for Oukast? Other good groups: Spearhead, The Roots, Talib Kwalei, Cody ChesnuTT, Anthony Hamilton.
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I listened to a lot of it in high school, now when it comes to rap and hiphop, I only listen to some late 80s/early 90s stuff and anything from Jurassic 5 or The Roots because they're just amazing.
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I used to hate, now i'm falling in love. Mostly underground stuff, Pyscho+Logical Records & Uncle Howie Records -> Necro, Ill Bill, Sabac Red, Goretex, Non Phixion. Also getting into MF Doom. I also like the classics like Dr. Dre, Eazy E. And of the mainstream I like Ludacris, because of his style. And I'm starting to get into Nas.
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I started liking rap when it was really getting bad. I don't know how it happened, but I held out against the gangsta rap era, but finally started listening in the early 2000's. There are some good artists still out there, although the mainstream scene only features MC's who rap about the things that have stereotyped all of rap for years.
For me, I don't follow that many MC's. It's all about the producers for me. They're the reason half of the crap out there today sells. Take away the hot beat and great production, and who's going to buy an track about doing drugs or killing people? Not many. |
I like it all if there for real,I only listen to the gangsta stuff so if you come fake I wont listen to you,thats towards Ja one of the worst rappers of all time.
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Originally Posted by Mayniac
For me, rap always had a "C" missing.
Mayniac |
I've always considered Big L to be one of the best. It's a shame his career was so short.
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Originally Posted by DVDHO
I like it all if there for real,I only listen to the gangsta stuff so if you come fake I wont listen to you,thats towards Ja one of the worst rappers of all time.
I loved pop-punk type music around 1990, but with the advent of so many Green Day clones now I'm sick of that as well. Anything can get old. Some of you guys have listed other artists who avoid this kind of rap and it's cool to hear there is some better stuff out there (just like with any style). |
I only liked 2 artists - Young MC and Candyman. Everything else since then is Crap.
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I agree with the first post and many replies. I loved 80's rap and then found I had to be selective in the early '90s: Native Tongues, etc. and now I have to be even more selective with all the junk that comes out.....
I do have to remind myself occasionally that rap doesn't suck, just the rap that gets played. |
i love hip-hop then, love it now, will love it forever. love what gets played on the radio more than what doesn't; love summer jams and rump-shakers; love the politics of rhyme; love it all.
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Yes and still do. The Game is an amazing cd.
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Wow - back from the dead thread!
Yeah, I used to like rap - back in the 80's. Back before rap was angry black people being angry and rapping about ho's and killing cops and cappin', yo. Whatever. I like rap when it was fun. MC Hammer, while not a great rap star, was still pretty light stuff. And I can apprecieate an act that can poke fun at itself like Run DMC did with Areosmith. Hell, all the way back to the Sugar Hill Gang - where it not only had energy, but flow. You could understand what the hell they were saying. And yes, I like Vanillia Ice, and I thought Cool As Ice, tho dumb as a sack of hammers, was still a pretty entertaining movie. Its not like today. But then most music these days sucks - rap or not. |
I still like a lot of rap, but I find myself listening mainly for the beats nowadays. Most of the lyrical content is the same old... either 1) I'm a thug, 2) I've got bling bling, 3) I'm into sex, or 4) I'm into getting wasted.
Actually, #2 annoys me the most for some reason. I seriously don't care what kind of car you drive, what kind of rims are on that car, or what trendy expensive type of alcohol you're drinking this month. You get all these wannabe kids now saying crap like "I only drink Cristal", like they'd have any idea what it actually tasted like or be able to differentiate it from a bottle of $4 champagne. I'm not saying I could either, but I can come out and admit I have cheap tastes. :) |
Only Beastie Boys and Eminem really. Only other stuff is if it becomes a top 40 hit, like Hey Ya, or Insane in the Membrane. Also, Everlast/House of Pain.
What I really like is the old Blondie (I think) song that has a long rap about this alien from Mars coming down and eating guitars, bars and cars, it's pretty goofy, but I love it. |
milo do you like black people?
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Holy crap! There are BLACK people? WHERE?!? WHEN THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN!?!? -wink-
In relation to the original topic, I agree with what many other folks have said...I used to love rap in the 80's, and have since become quite selective in what I'll listen to when it comes to rap. Back then, it was about the rhymes, and about one-upping other MCs. More often than not, it was pretty damn silly stuff. Nowadays I can't really related to the "common" topics of rap, so I've got to truly enjoy some aspect of it before I'll give it a serious listen. While I couldn't relate to the goofy stuff of the 80's on a general level, except maybe "Parents Just Don't Understand" by Fresh Prince (remember that guy...actually...that might be early 90's), I TRULY can't relate to the pursuit of serious bling, banging all my b!tches and thugging and bugging and whatnot. I STILL enjoy the old school stuff that I own (RIP: Jam Master Jay), and enjoy just about anything the Beasties still put out, as they've matured in style over the years along with me. In summary: old = good, new = bad....BAD! Thousand points of light...sorry bout that...had a momentary lapse into Dana Carvey doing George Bush Sr. as I hear Bush Jr. lecturing in the background. |
Originally Posted by BigDaddy
Yes and still do. The Game is an amazing cd.
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it was good untill it started turning materialistic. Like when all of a sudden, rappers would start showing up in expensive cars. Now, its all over the place. One of my favorite rap videos is a old De La Soul song, I cant even remember the name of the song. They made it when rappers started hanging all over expensive cars in videos. The one scene I remember most is one of them is driving a mercedes convertible and a subtitle comes on and says 'its a rental'. What happened to rapping about life in the hood, like NWA. Not about how much diamonds and platnum you have in your teeth and how big the rims on your bentley are.
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Originally Posted by uli2000
One of my favorite rap videos is a old De La Soul song, I cant even remember the name of the song. They made it when rappers started hanging all over expensive cars in videos. The one scene I remember most is one of them is driving a mercedes convertible and a subtitle comes on and says 'its a rental'.
I agree with the rest of your comments. |
Originally Posted by atlantamoi
I enjoyed rap in the early/mid-80's when I first heard it. Grandmaster Flash, Kurtis Blow, Run-DMC, etc. And I enjoyed some early 90's stuff like De La Soul (I know they are still around). But somewhere along the way... probably with TuPac and that thug CRAP I totally lost interest with rap music in almost all forms. I know if I listened to that 80's stuff now it would sound hopelessly out of date. But I have zero interest in rap today. The only rap CD I bought in the last two years is from Knowdaverbs, because his message is one of complete hope. Did you used to like rap or still like it?
the beastie boys never seem to get old. |
Originally Posted by BigDaddy
Yes and still do. The Game is an amazing cd.
Some good rap these days... Twista Louis Logic Murs Nas E-40 Deltron Andre Nickatina 213 Eminem (although the last CD sucked) Terrible (c)rap... Ludacris Lil Jon Anyone from G-Unit D-12 Mase Nelly |
Originally Posted by Mondo Kane
I don't recall a De La Soul video doing that, but I definetly remember a Roots video ("What They Do") that had the same idea...And that was back in '97!!!
As for me, I basically grew up on rap when I first saw a Run-DMC video on MTV. That was in 1984. I'm 31 now and still listen to it. I learned long ago to avoid the mainstream acts, so in 1990 when most people were listening to MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, I was listening to Public Enemy, X Clan and Paris. To this day, I still do not listen to mainstream rap and have probably heard a handful of the songs played on pop stations. Gangsta rap got old to me after N.W.A and the Geto Boys. After them it all became monotonous to me. If you saw my CD collection (http://www.dango727.com/cd.html) you won't find a lot that many consider to be classics like Tupac, Biggie, Dre, and Snoop. I've heard gangsta tales before from Schooly-D, Ice-T, Kool G Rap, etc... I don't need to hear recycled stories with far more cursing. It's sad that a lot of people posting here hate on rap because of what they see or hear on MTV/FM radio. There are far too many artists that are still a lot of fun to listen to. Some of my current favorites are: Atmosphere Murs Mos Def Extended F@mm Blackalicious Jurassic 5 Chino XL Sage Francis Kool Keith Masta Ace Edan Ugly Duckling |
Used to like rap between '87-'91
Public Enemy, Digital Underground, NWA (and their solo albums), 3rd Bass, Ice-T, X-Clan... I like a song here and there now, but most of it just seems damn silly and vapid compared to back then. It's all about clubbin', getting high, getting drunk, banging ch!cks and livin' like Scarface... and in most cases, it's all bullsh*t to sell albums because the fans believe it. |
Originally Posted by Yancey
milo do you like black people?
If you were to take every talented black rapper, and put them in a big group, that would be something special. Oh wait, THAT ALREADY EXISTS. It's the whole J5/Quantum/etc. thing. That whole-sorta' crowd. Each talented black emcee is connected to this bunch. You know what I mean. Yea. Gift of Gab is my favorite. That man is a fucking genius. |
Originally Posted by harpo787
Back then, it was about the rhymes, and about one-upping other MCs. More often than not, it was pretty damn silly stuff. Nowadays I can't really related to the "common" topics of rap, so I've got to truly enjoy some aspect of it before I'll give it a serious listen. While I couldn't relate to the goofy stuff of the 80's on a general level, except maybe "Parents Just Don't Understand" by Fresh Prince (remember that guy...actually...that might be early 90's), I TRULY can't relate to the pursuit of serious bling, banging all my b!tches and thugging and bugging and whatnot.
I mean these artists were fun to listen to: Heavy D Run DMC LL Cool J Kid N Play De La Soul Beasties Fresh Prince Digital Underground I blame the downfall on Master P and his mass produced garbage. |
Originally Posted by Mafia81RCV
I was really into the early/mid 90's stuff: Dr. Dre, Snoop, Warren G., Nate Dogg, Naughty by Nature, Ice Cube...that new west coast sound was great, so much different than the hard-core basic beats of the late 80's and very early 90's.
Nowadays, I still like that G-Funk stuff (The Chronic is the greatest rap album ever IMO), along with some early 80's stuff (Sugar Hill Gang, etc.). Current groups, well, I like Outkast, and I like what I've heard of the Black Eyed Peas, but rap just doesn't do much for me anymore. |
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I can't believe it took three pages to get this point across. Everyone else was basically saying it without actually saying it. In the 80's/early 90's rap was FUN. Nowadays it takes itself too seriously. It is no longer about creating a great song, it is about creating a hit. It is a fine line, but makes all the difference in the world. It is all about the bling now.
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oh man...i used to listen to way too much rap. i was really confused. my junior and senior years of high school were rap infested. i started fazing out my first year of college and now i listen to very little (still like tribe called quest, de la soul, etc)...i almost never listen to it.
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The fun aspect is definitely missing from rap these days. That's why, while I'm not a big Eminem fan, I give him his due props for not only being creative with his lyrics, a lot of his material conveys a sense that he's just having fun. I know there's quite a bit of content from his music catalog that is dark, but you also get the idea that he's just having a good time in a great deal of his other songs.
I wouldn't even consider Lil Jon a rapper, nor does he himself. He's a solid producer who's all about making stuff you can get down to in the club. There's no depth to most of his works and he'll be the first to say that. And while Twista is obviously talented, I can't help but think that his burst in popularity over the past year has exposed a serious flaw in his aresenal: he's a tongue twister, but he rarely raps about things that most of today's MC's don't; it's just a lot faster. |
I recently have been flipping between the different music channels and I really am floored by how much crap rap is out there right now. I swear every video was the same goddamn thing over and over again. You have these rappers who cant rap worth shit surrounded by their posse bragging about their money and jewely, flashing it to the screen over and over again. Doing donuts in an expensive car in a parking lot. Having women shake their big nasty asses to the screen.
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I used to like it before the early 90's. Ice-T, NWA, Heavy D, Kool Moe Dee, LL Cool J, Rob Base, Doug E Fresh... but nowdays, I can't listen to a majority what's being played on the air.
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Originally Posted by Yancey
milo do you like black people?
I knew somebody would pounce on that like a leopard on a three legged deer. I am in no way, shape or form, a racist. I have enjoyed rap songs by black artists that hit the pop charts, but the hardcore stuff just rubs me the wrong way. The videos just elevate it to offending my sensibilities. The persons I named above are basically the only ones that I can pretty much listen to all of their stuff, not just the radio friendly stuff. And also mcchris. |
It was the fact that you threw in House of Pain that made the post weird. "I like lots of rap: Eminem, Beastie Boys, House of Pain, 3rd Bass, Stereo MCs, The Streets, Vanilla Ice, Snow..."
Speaking of The Streets, his two records get constant play around here. Anyway, you do have to go a little underground these days to hear good rap. But getting older and hearing the new crap that plays on the radio makes me treasure Public Enemy more and more. At this point, I consider them in their prime to be one of the finest musical acts of any genre to EVER record anything. |
I like rap more today then i did when i was younger.
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