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Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

I liked it, but my biggest complaint walking out at the end was that it wasn't a movie. No matter if there is a sequel coming, a movie should have an ending. This felt more like the end of episode three.

Also, nearly every major cast member is ten years or more too old for their part. Costner himself is probably more than 30.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by dex14
Again, the content, scope, direction, etc. are all great. I want to see more... people should see it. I just find the whole logistics of the project to be odd.
Originally Posted by mwbmis
I liked it, but my biggest complaint walking out at the end was that it wasn't a movie. No matter if there is a sequel coming, a movie should have an ending. This felt more like the end of episode three.
Thought this was an interesting take along the lines of what some folks are saying:

The Ho-Hum Box Office Of Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon’ Carries A Message: Don’t Turn Movies Into Television
https://variety.com/2024/film/column...on-1236057252/

It’s an old saw in Hollywood that you shouldn’t put your own money into a movie. But I’ve always had a powerful respect for anyone who does. Clearly, it’s a sign of their commitment — that they care enough about what they’re doing to have some skin in the game. I also think there’s an intoxicating roll-of-the-dice payoff in play: If you put your own money into a movie, your investment could hit the jackpot. (That’s what happened with Mel Gibson and “The Passion of the Christ.”) And, of course, there’s the admirable idea that those who self-finance are trying to bring a film into the marketplace that a corporate studio said no to. That’s one way that motion pictures can stay adventurous.

So the reckless and committed bravado that Kevin Costner demonstrated by pouring $38 million of his own money intoHorizon: An American Saga” is something I can get behind. Actually, as Costner finally confessed, it might be closer to $50 million; maybe he was initially feeling a bit shy about owning up to that quixotic level of personal investment, since (to repeat) you’re not supposed to do it.

But obviously, Costner can afford it. All the players who do this sort of thing can. They have plenty of assets left over. (That’s one reason I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often.) Costner has always been the definition of a star who cares, who acts in and directs worthy projects, who possesses a reverence for the art of movies. That he poured his own money into a sprawling Western magnum opus has a kind of purity to it.

That said, it would be hard to think of another example of a movie that proved the old saw right as much as “Horizon” does.

The box office returns are now in on “Horizon: An American Saga — Chapter 1,” and taken in a big-picture way, as an indicator of where the saga is heading, the numbers are not very pretty. I suspected they wouldn’t be as soon as I saw the film at Cannes, where I was one of many critics who gave it a mixed to withering review. What made this a special case is that the three-hour film is just one-quarter of the total project. “Chapter 2” is set to come out in August. “Chapter 3” is now moving into production. And “Chapter 4,” at this juncture, is a frontier castle in the air — an idea for a movie hanging out on Kevin Costner’s balance sheet.

What this means is that “Horizon,” with an $11 million opening weekend and a $100 million price tag, has the potential to be not only a financial train wreck, but the kind of train wreck that unfolds in slow motion over the course of months. In the case of “Chapter 3,” it involves building the train even as it’s in the middle of crashing. That’s a lot of box office pain to buy for $38 million.

Costner knew what he was doing when he took his gamble, and he’ll be fine. Maybe the money will even come back to him through ancillary deal and residuals. But when a big movie opens with this kind of thud, it’s worth asking what happened, and if there are lessons to be learned. In this case, there’s a major lesson. It is this: Don’t turn movies into television.

Because that’s what Costner tried to do, and that was his folly. His star had dimmed in the 2010s, but it came roaring back with “Yellowstone,” the Taylor Sheridan TV series that began in 2018. It’s obvious that Costner took his cue from the show’s extraordinary success in deciding to craft “Horizon” as an episodic drama, one that will (theoretically) stretch out to more than 10 hours. It’s not a 10-hour movie, exactly. It’s a series — or, as I described “Chapter 1” in my review, “the seedbed for a miniseries.” Because there’s a feeling you have watching “Chapter 1” that you’re being introduced to all these characters, but you haven’t even gotten to the good stuff yet. That sort of thing can work on television. But in the movies it’s fatal. I would argue that a movie has to hook you in the first 40 minutes or it’s toast.

Is the problem with “Chapter 1” that it isn’t a better miniseries? Possibly. But I still think the issue is one of form. The discursive, anecdotal, all-over-the-place drama of “Horizon” feels, at least in the first three hours, like homework, and I don’t think that’s because I’m not enough of a “red-state audience person” to get it. It’s because television writing is different from movie writing. TV episodes, especially in an ensemble piece, are often open-ended. There’s a dip-in/dip-out quality to them. Whereas movies require a sense of resolution. And there’s a hubris built into the four-chapter concept of “Horizon,” since if people don’t turn out for “Chapter 1,” who in God’s name is going to care about “Chapter 2”? That audience, in August, is likely to be even smaller.

Of course, there’s always the possibility that you won’t need to have seen “Chapter 1” to enjoy “Chapter 2,” or that “Chapter 2” will prove to be better. Maybe that movie, two months from now, will take on a life of its own. But I don’t think that’s how Kevin Costner envisioned it. He wants his audience to be all in. And he has always been a leisurely dramatist. (The original cut of “Dances with Wolves” was five hours long.) Investing your own money in a movie is, to my mind, an honorable and even courageous thing to do, but the problem with the level of investment Costner has poured into “Horizon” is that he has already made the movie more important than any movie should claim to be. The drama of whether audiences show up for it now transcends the drama onscreen. Sure, “Horizon” is “big” and “sprawling” and “epic,” but thus far it’s busy and fragmented rather than grand. I suspect that, one way or another, it will ultimately end its journey on the small screen: the place it was really always meant to be.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

I just got back from seeing an evening show. There were only 2 showings in the theater I went to, so this is losing theaters fast.

Anyway, I thought it was good, but mainly from a filmmaking perspective. Beautiful cinematography and good direction by Costner. There were some pretty intense sequences like the Apache attack that basically annihilated that settlement.

But, the storytelling felt scatter shot to me. A lot of jumping around and really no sense of time with all the stories. And Costner was basically a special guest star. I think he had maybe less than 30 minutes of screen time. And that felt generous. There are a lot of familiar faces in this movie. It’s basically the who’s who of veteran character actors from TV and movies.

And it was weird how they just jumped to a bunch scenes from chapter 2 with no set up. I was hoping for Costner saying “Next time on…Horizon”

Cinematography and Direction gets an A from me.

Storytelling probably gets a C.

And yes, it’s an incomplete movie.

It was a pretty big time investment (which I assume turned off a lot of people). Not counting the drive to the theater. Show time was 5:30pm. About 30 minutes of trailers, started at 6pm and finished close to 9pm.

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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Will be on PVOD next Tuesday. This is a case where they have no choice. it's losing theaters fast. For the theaters in my area, it's now down to 1-2 showings per day.

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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

I haven't seen it yet and with the mediocre reviews and being tired of seeing long ass shitty or sub-par movies, I am waiting for streaming.

Maybe if it catches enough people's attention on VOD and streaming, it will make people want to return to the theater to see Part 2?
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Spiderbite
I haven't seen it yet and with the mediocre reviews and being tired of seeing long ass shitty or sub-par movies, I am waiting for streaming.

Maybe if it catches enough people's attention on VOD and streaming, it will make people want to return to the theater to see Part 2?
Well, it is streaming next week Yeah I know you don’t want to pay premium VOD money.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

It has 3 showings a day here, same as every movie that isn't Quiet Place, DM4 or Inside Out 2.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Spiderbite
Maybe if it catches enough people's attention on VOD and streaming, it will make people want to return to the theater to see Part 2?
I severely doubt any significant amount of people who watch this on VOD are going to go see the next in theatres. They'll just wait for VOD again.
Regardless... it is still revenue.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

I just got an email that the 4K disc of Chapter 1 has been pushed back until September 10th. Looks like they're gonna try and milk the PVOD streams before releasing it on physical media.

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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by DJariya
Anyway, I thought it was good, but mainly from a filmmaking perspective. Beautiful cinematography and good direction by Costner. There were some pretty intense sequences like the Apache attack that basically annihilated that settlement.

But, the storytelling felt scatter shot to me. A lot of jumping around and really no sense of time with all the stories. And Costner was basically a special guest star. I think he had maybe less than 30 minutes of screen time. And that felt generous. There are a lot of familiar faces in this movie. It’s basically the who’s who of veteran character actors from TV and movies.
Finally got a chance to see this last week and I definitely agree with many of the points you mentioned.

I loved what we saw of the Sykes Family and I sincerely hope they get a bit more screen-time in the future installments.

That shot of Junior Sykes (Jon Beavers) kicking Caleb Sykes (Jamie Campbell Bower) in the chest was great
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Got another email from Amazon saying that they'll let me know when they have a release date for Chapter 1.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Chapter 2 pulled from its August release date. Costner and New Line made the decision.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...m_term=6431290
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Damn. This has to be embarrassing for Costner.
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"give audiences time to discover the first movie"

They must really hope the movie will grow a larger audience once it's on streaming. But all that proves to me is that people who want to see it aren't willing to pay and/or sit in a theater for 3 hours to see it. And they'll just wait for the 2nd to be on streaming as well.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Makes you wonder if part 2 even gets a theatrical release, I don't think they even covered their modest marketing budget.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

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Damn. This has to be embarrassing for Costner.
I am pretty sure we are going to "hear" about him returning to Yellowstone any day now...and they were able to work something out, he will need that $$$.
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Way to go folks who wanted to wait to stream instead of seeing it in theaters. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Is this a nice thing, though? Seems to be just another Yellowstone clone with a few episodes smashed together so it could be in theaters. People saw through it.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread


Chapter 2 likewise cost roughly $100 million to make. Costner’s team indicated last week that he intends to resume shooting Chapter 3 in August.




And just watch, the “streamers” won’t want to pay PVOD prices either.
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That should’ve been the cost for three of them.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

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And just watch, the “streamers” won’t want to pay PVOD prices either.
You can add me to that list. Why the hell would I want to pay PVOD prices for something that has me hitting the FF button tattooed all over it?

Once it hits one of the many streaming channels that I pay plenty of money for, I will check it out. If it is good and I love it or even just like it a lot, I will gladly go see the 2nd one in the theater.

I wanted to see Chapter 1 in the theater but all these recent overlong, boring fucking movies with great trailers, but then disappointing me at the theater, have scared me away.

Too much else to watch, read, play and listen to take a chance at this point.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

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Once it hits one of the many streaming channels that I pay plenty of money for, I will check it out. If it is good and I love it or even just like it a lot, I will gladly go see the 2nd one in the theater.
It's going to be on Max at some point because it's a WB-Discovery title. No date has been announced. They want to make as much as possible in PVOD sales and what remaining theaters will still show Chapter 1.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

From Variety:

Costner and his filmmaking team locked picture on “Chapter 2” on June 23 — the night before “Chapter 1” made its premiere in Los Angeles.

“It was literally last night,” Costner told Variety‘s Angelique Jackson, who then asked how the filmmaker defines success when it comes to the franchise. Costner offered a comparison to the film’s plot and the characters’ hard road moving out West.

“These characters all have to dig in to survive,” he explained. “I had to dig in and I have had to call on things that I didn’t know that I was going to have to. But I’ve also felt really lucky that that I could actually guide this process, lucky enough that I could make it.”

In fact, Costner began production on the third film in mid-May, taking a pause to promote the “Chapter 1” at its world premiere at the Cannes Film Festival, then touring the movie around the U.S. Filming on “Chapter 3” is expected to resume in mid-August and key members of the crew also have the script for “Chapter 4.”
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

Anyone know if Chapter 3 and 4 are filming simultaneously? Because I'm getting this bad feeling that, if not, Chapter 4 may never get made...so we're going to wind up with three movies with no conclusion.

The "good" news is that Costner may lose so much of his personal wealth after all this is over that he'll become the new "Nic Cage" of movies...essentially popping up in everything to get some of that burnt cash back.
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Re: Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 (2024, D: Costner) -- The Reviews Thread

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Anyone know if Chapter 3 and 4 are filming simultaneously? Because I'm getting this bad feeling that, if not, Chapter 4 may never get made...so we're going to wind up with three movies with no conclusion.

The "good" news is that Costner may lose so much of his personal wealth after all this is over that he'll become the new "Nic Cage" of movies...essentially popping up in everything to get some of that burnt cash back.
If I were Costner, I would try to re-work the script for Chapter 3 for it to have an "ending" before they resume filming. Right now, seems highly unlikely that 4 will get made.

I know this was a passion project for Costner. But, I think he completely misread the movie marketplace nowadays. These kind of "Epics" just aren't box office draws anymore. The Variety article says Horizon has done well in Middle America among the 50 or older crowd. But, if big budget movies don't do well in the big markets like Los Angeles or New York, Middle America won't matter.

And the bad PR from his departure from Yellowstone certainly didn't help.

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