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Old 06-12-24, 05:54 AM
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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

Since the Alamo in the Twin Cities abruptly closed down last week, I re-bought tickets to Deadpoool vs. Wolverine at the Marcus theater in my suburb. $17.30 a ticket for my wife and my son and me to go. Unless they figure out a way to open the Alamo back up, this is the only movie I'll see theatrically this year - I don't want to dodge spoilers on the internet until a home release for this movie and this movie only.

I was willing to pay that kind of price for a talking/texting-free experience at the Alamo (and I had a $20 a month season pass anyway where I could see a movie a day if I wanted to). Without that - it makes more economical sense for me to blind-buy every movie I want to see digitally - it's literally half the price and I'll own it too.

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Old 06-12-24, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
Honestly, that won't make a difference given the amount of content readily available to audiences.

Pandora's Box was pretty much opened during the pandemic and audiences have a number of alternatives to choose from thanks to streaming and content creators that exist worldwide.

Do you think a family of 4 ( especially with small children) will make it priority #1 to rush to a theater to catch Moana 2 or Toy Story 5 because they're dreading the 6-month window to be able to watch it a home for less than $20???

I think not.
Anecdotally, it would for us. Take something like Godzilla -1, which was held back by Toei or whoever... I think I would have rushed to see it in the theater if I had known it was such a short engagement and it would take that long to come out. For family movies, I'd take my kids to a "cheaper" Tuesday showing of Inside Out 2 if I knew it would take 6-9 months to come out on streaming and/or I wasn't sure it would be on a service I subscribe to (I mean I might still do it because it's Summer time and it's an event for the family but it would be more compelling for sure). Ever since Disney + basically promised everything made by Disney to subscribers, I haven't been in any rush to buy physical media or see stuff in the theater. Again, good for the consumer but not so much the movie itself.

I don't think you can put the genie back in the bottle at this point, though. You'd need collusion from every major studio for one, then you'd need to wean the audiences back and lose a ton of money doing so.
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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

Movies mean a lot to me.

Here is the problem. They’re competing with this dude named Droofreed on TikTok who is famous for criticizing mailboxes. And it’s so entertaining and brings me so much joy.

And there are probably 20,000 similar social media entertainers out there that are hitting every niche conceivable.
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Old 06-12-24, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler
Movies mean a lot to me.

Here is the problem. They’re competing with this dude named Droofreed on TikTok who is famous for criticizing mailboxes. And it’s so entertaining and brings me so much joy.

And there are probably 20,000 similar social media entertainers out there that are hitting every niche conceivable.
Honestly, *I* even just started a TikTok to try to promote older movies to Gen Z
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Old 06-12-24, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler
Movies mean a lot to me.

Here is the problem. They’re competing with this dude named Droofreed on TikTok who is famous for criticizing mailboxes. And it’s so entertaining and brings me so much joy.

And there are probably 20,000 similar social media entertainers out there that are hitting every niche conceivable.
That's the thing though. Yes, there is original (often mindless) content. A lot of stuff is sourced from other media though, movies included. Like a ton. Or people aspiring to make bigger media. So now I'm depressed that we'll just be in this endlessly nostalgic state with nothing new or creative ever being made again and us just regurgitating the same thing over and over. We may already be there. This is like if traditional news sources die because everyone is getting their news from snippets on X and the like.

Originally Posted by IBJoel
Honestly, *I* even just started a TikTok to try to promote older movies to Gen Z
Does it involve you doing funky dances, and if so where is it?
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That's the thing though. Yes, there is original (often mindless) content. A lot of stuff is sourced from other media though, movies included. Like a ton. Or people aspiring to make bigger media. So now I'm depressed that we'll just be in this endlessly nostalgic state with nothing new or creative ever being made again and us just regurgitating the same thing over and over. We may already be there. This is like if traditional news sources die because everyone is getting their news from snippets on X and the like.



Does it involve you doing funky dances, and if so where is it?
It might soon, if I don't get more followers I'm starting to abandon my more measured style and do faster, snappier videos to try and compete
Old 06-12-24, 11:47 AM
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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler
Movies mean a lot to me.

Here is the problem. They’re competing with this dude named Droofreed on TikTok who is famous for criticizing mailboxes. And it’s so entertaining and brings me so much joy..
I fucking love that guy. I literally saw a mailbox today driving through rural Pennsylvania that he would have loved to roast.
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Old 06-12-24, 01:02 PM
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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

So I guess the legislation did change?

Oh wait did Sony own the theater in the Metreon way back when?

edited: yes the legislation changed in 2020 though this is the first time it's been tested

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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

Originally Posted by fujishig
So I guess the legislation did change?

Oh wait did Sony own the theater in the Metreon way back when?
Sony owned the Metreon and way, way back they owned the Loews theaters. But no.. they sold off Loews ownership and the Metreon was part of Cineplex Odeon, but is now an AMCs.
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One has to wonder if the studios have been purposely undermining and devaluing the major theatrical chains in order to purchase them on the cheap and "save" them from bankruptcy, thus controlling the creation, distribution and exhibition?

In corporate America? .... naw, that would never happen.
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Old 06-12-24, 02:28 PM
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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler
Here is the problem. They’re competing with this dude named Droofreed on TikTok who is famous for criticizing mailboxes. And it’s so entertaining and brings me so much joy.
Wow, I thought you were brilliantly describing a hypothetical TikTok video personality. Turns out you were just stating the facts.
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Old 06-12-24, 02:35 PM
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One has to wonder if the studios have been purposely undermining and devaluing the major theatrical chains in order to purchase them on the cheap and "save" them from bankruptcy, thus controlling the creation, distribution and exhibition?

In corporate America? .... naw, that would never happen.
Considering the state of most of the studios, who are suffering right along with the theaters, I doubt it. Though maybe they really are that stupid.
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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

Studios and theaters are locked in a death spiral with each other. Something has to give (and it'll probably be theaters). I definitely see lots more multiplexes closing down - there isn't enough worthwhile content to justify so many screens at theater prices.

I went from going to see random movies just because I was bored to just buying stuff digitally when I want to watch it. It's cheaper and I own it - there is no downside and a LOT of upsides. Eventually the bottom will fall out on that too, but until then, this is how I'm watching 99% of content these days.
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Old 06-13-24, 02:59 PM
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Well, you don't really "own" it...
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Re: How would you "fix" movies?

Whether you agree or not, I think a lot of mid budget and smaller films deserve to have the opportunity to be supported theatrically. And I'm not talking about direct to video movies starring Michael Jai White, Scott Adkins, or JCVD.

I don't like the stigma that unless it's some huge event film or blockbuster with action, explosions, lots of special FX, it's a "streaming" movie.

I understand that we all value things differently. But, lots of A24 movies like Past Lives, Everything Everywhere all at once, which have small budgets, would not have gotten the type of notoriety or awards contention they received if they were dumped to a streaming service and then quickly forgotten. "Big movies" alone cannot sustain the movie making industry.

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It's hard to believe a film such as the documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in June 2004 and became a $120 million summer hit. The climate has completely changed as a film like this today would go straight to streaming and have very little impact or lasting value.
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Originally Posted by fujishig
Well, you don't really "own" it...
Well, I copy the files to an external drive and keep hoping someone comes up with a good DRM cracker - TunesKit was the shit back in the day. I might fire up my ancient Mac laptop and see if I can get it ripping DRM off again.
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Old 06-13-24, 05:54 PM
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Yes. I think what you're describing is market saturation. It's kind of the sad term that I don't want to talk about and probably the reason that the industry needs "fixed".

More kids started going to flim school. The film and TV industries were largely democratized. If you have a script and willing to shop it around, someone will probably bite. It's not a one-in-a-thousand shot like it has been in the past.

As a moviegoer, it makes me appreciate the old closed-door system where it was really really hard to make a movie. For all the commercialization, they invested a lot of risk in movies that live in our psyche. Great movies are still being made on a regular basis. I'm not sure it's a part of culture like it once was.

Yes, the lesser movies of the past went direct to video. I assume the ratio of theatrical vs direct-to-streaming now is entirely different.

Happened in music too. Look at Taylor Swift or Drake. A lot of people couldn't identify a single song from them. But they're the biggest stars. In the 90's, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't know an Aerosmith song. Some of my favorite musicians now are utterly obscure.

I'd be curious to see how many "active musicians" are out there, compared to 20-30 years ago. Likewise, I'd be curious to see how many films are being produced. I'd be surprised if the industries haven't tripled.

The problem is ultimately the industry's problem. They need to make more movies that people are obsessed with.
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It's virtually impossible today having a solid moneymaking career as a musician. Back in the day you could sustain yourself playing small clubs and hoping a record label would scoop you up, even acts that never made it beyond their local scene. That's long over. You can't even dream of making a #1 hit because that means so little in today's streaming market. Basically only fools get into the music business today with any aspiration beyond doing it solely for the fun. There are still groupies as a perk, I guess.
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Originally Posted by DJariya
Whether you agree or not, I think a lot of mid budget and smaller films deserve to have the opportunity to be supported theatrically. And I'm not talking about direct to video movies starring Michael Jai White, Scott Adkins, or JCVD.

I don't like the stigma that unless it's some huge event film or blockbuster with action, explosions, lots of special FX, it's a "streaming" movie.
I broadly agree, but will point out that it's the aame "stigma" that TV had, and while it took a while (with exceptions), eventually it became obvious that is not a stigma, just a difference.
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I broadly agree, but will point out that it's the aame "stigma" that TV had, and while it took a while (with exceptions), eventually it became obvious that is not a stigma, just a difference.
The stigma network television had were the restrictions placed on content with advertisers influencing the allowable levels of violence, language and sexuality. Of course HBO, Showtime and other cable channels broke through that mold as they were ad-free services which granted them more freedom and arguably better programs.
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Originally Posted by orangerunner
One has to wonder if the studios have been purposely undermining and devaluing the major theatrical chains in order to purchase them on the cheap and "save" them from bankruptcy, thus controlling the creation, distribution and exhibition?

In corporate America? .... naw, that would never happen.
Wasn't that what the Dukes were trying to do in Trading Places? I'm not a stock market enthusiast, I find that stuff mind-numbingly boring, so that part of the film kinda goes over my head. But I think that was the Dukes plan, the opposite of the traditional stock market advice; they sell high to buy low.

By the way, a quick visit to IMDb shows that that is now illegal, and because Trading Places demonstrated it so well, it's literally called the "Eddie Murphy Rule". The more you know...
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Basically only fools get into the music business today with any aspiration beyond doing it solely for the fun.
With a few (maybe many) caveats and qualifiers... GOOD.

Make music, art, literature because you want to. Not because you might get rich, but because you have something to offer, add, say or do.
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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler
Look at Taylor Swift or Drake. A lot of people couldn't identify a single song from them. But they're the biggest stars. In the 90's, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't know an Aerosmith song.
That may be a generational, personal-bias or target-market based thought. I imagine it's a similar number of people - probably more in favor of Swift - who could (and could not) identify/sing/name a Taylor Swift song now vs an Aerosmith song then.

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