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Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Old 07-04-23, 07:22 PM
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

They probably would have gone that route if Blunt hadn't portrayed that exact character in Jungle Cruise.
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Old 07-04-23, 08:36 PM
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

I disagree. Blunt's character in Jungle Cruise was trying to be taken seriously as a member of the scientific community. Waller-Bridge's character was just an asshole (though the writers did make a lazy attempt at making her sympathetic by saddling her with an equally obnoxious kid sidekick).
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

I got to see Dial of Destiny today, and I really liked it. A lot. This was a satisfying end to the series. It felt more natural, more real than Crystal Skull, which I do like (but have some reservations about). Anyone who says this movie was boring or bland needs a checkup. This thing is constantly moving. There's a lot going on. It's a thrill ride.

I had my reservations years ago when it was announced. I didn't want The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles. Indiana Jones and the Nursing Home of Doom. That's not what this was. His age was mentioned and alluded to multiple times, but it was played pretty well. He wasn't doing anything ridiculous where you think, "Oh, come on, he couldn't do that." He is portrayed as an older man, but a fairly fit older man who can still run a bit, jump a bit, and climb a bit. Oh, and he can still throw punches. All of which a lot of 80 year olds can do. (Some can't, some can.)

As for Helena, she had spent her adult life rebelling against her father, but as the movie went along, she realized that she was wrong. Being around Indy changed her. She realized that she missed family. Indy represented that family, and that's why she couldn't leave him behind at the end. She came to really care about him over the course of the movie - because she always did, but the time apart left her empty after losing her parents. She spent most of her life without her parents, but being around Indy hit home (literally) for her, and she remembered what it felt like to have family. She needed to keep that. I thought that was a good bit of character development. Yeah, she was a self centered bitch at the beginning, because she had spent well over a decade without any kind of a father figure in her life. She had been living for herself. But as Indy correctly pointed out she clearly cared about her father and what he taught her if she took the time to memorize 7 books of his notes!

So, overall, not as good as Raiders or Last Crusade, right up there with Temple of Doom, and ahead of Crystal Skull.

Works for me.


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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Wait, so the time portal was going to send them back to Archimedes time no matter what? How would Archimedes even determine that, didn't he just make the dial to find the rifts, he didn't actually create the rifts himself? If so it was just dumb luck that continental drift brought them to those exact coordinates (and that the portal stayed open)?

Also considering the only rift they used was high up in the air, Archimedes never actually used one of these rifts so I don't see why he would consider it a threat enough to break it into pieces, particularly when he knows it's reassembled somewhere in the future to come back to him.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Since this is supposed to be the last Indiana Jones movie, they should've had Indy lose his eye before the end of the film. That way there would be an explanation for what happened to his eye as depicted in the tv series. I know they say the old Indy scenes in The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles are no longer canon, but it would have been a nice nod to the tv series.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
It just didn't make sense regardless of age, as Mutt was clearly anti-establishment in Skull. He would have been against the war. The idea that he signs up to tick off his dad is kind of ridiculous. I guess the screenplay does it just to have a rift between Indy and Marion, but they could have just as easily had him killed in some kind of accident because he was off trying to emulate his dad's sense of adventure.
It was a nice nod to the Young Indy series where Indy signed up for WWI by fighting for the Belgium Army in large part because he was pissed off at his dad.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

This was long and boring and looked like hot garbage. There's nothing much more to say that that. At least Crystal Skull had the decency to be oppressively stupid. I'll never forget that about it. I don't think I'll remember anything about Dial a week from now. What a bummer the 2023 movie year has been so far.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by rocket1312
This was long and boring and looked like hot garbage. There's nothing much more to say that that. At least Crystal Skull had the decency to be oppressively stupid. I'll never forget that about it. I don't think I'll remember anything about Dial a week from now. What a bummer the 2023 movie year has been so far.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by movieguru
The other thing that was maybe a little odd was Mutt enlisting in the Army to fight in Vietnam. By 1969 he would have been about 34 years old and depending on when he enlisted, he still would have been in his early thirties which would seem a little too old by that point.
For all we know, he enlisted the day after the Crystal Skull movie.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

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For all we know, he enlisted the day after the Crystal Skull movie.
Yep. I assumed Mutt didnít JUST die. I got the impression heíd been dead for a few years and Indy and Marionís marriage had been slowly falling apart since then. Mutt easily could have been in his early to mid-20s when he enlisted and died.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

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Yep. I assumed Mutt didnít JUST die. I got the impression heíd been dead for a few years and Indy and Marionís marriage had been slowly falling apart since then. Mutt easily could have been in his early to mid-20s when he enlisted and died.
He would have been born by 1937, so at the time of Indy 5 he would have been 32. The U.S. didn't enter the Vietnam War until 1965, so he would have been at least 28 years old when he died.
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Originally Posted by movieguru
He would have been born by 1937, so at the time of Indy 5 he would have been 32. The U.S. didn't enter the Vietnam War until 1965, so he would have been at least 28 years old when he died.
Still not out of the realm, IMO.

Dial of Destiny has a lot of problems. When Mutt signed up for the military isnít one of them.
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With Mutt dead, that's probably the end of the Jones' bloodline. Indy didn't have brothers or sisters. It didn't seem as though Mutt had any kids, unless they were being raised by the mother now. I think in the original versions of the Young Indy show, Indy had some grandkids. Hopefully, he has some other unknown children out there.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

I can't help but get the impression that Indiana Jones was always tearing off pieces off ass on his various adventures -- and this was before the time of readily available contraception and birth control pills -- so there's probably at least a few offspring of his out in the world.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Dude literally fucked a Nazi. I don't think he was very picky.
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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

To be fair, Indy didn't know she was a Nazi when he slept with her. His father, on the other hand...
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His father, on the other hand...


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^Itís funny to think that Connery played Henry Sr. as a somewhat feeble old man and then 7 years later played an ass-kicking badass in The Rock.
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Yeah, Connery and Ford only had a 12 year age difference. Indy's father was supposed to be 65 in Last Crusade and now Indy is supposed to be only 5 years older than that in DoD.

I just discovered today that there was a cut scene in Raiders where Indy has one of his female students over at his house when Marcus goes there to tell him they want him to go after the ark.
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Susan_Ryan
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I just discovered today that there was a cut scene in Raiders where Indy has one of his female students over at his house when Marcus goes there to tell him they want him to go after the ark.
https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Susan_Ryan
Huh. I always wondered about the look Brody gave her outside Indy's classroom. Nice find.
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^Itís funny to think that Connery played Henry Sr. as a somewhat feeble old man and then 7 years later played an ass-kicking badass in The Rock.

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I went in with lowered expectations and was still disappointed. The opening was fun, but felt derivative. The first act is a poorly paced bore. Once they got with the divers it started to turn around, but the muddled ending just killed that goodwill.

I didnít want to see a sad, pathetic, alcoholic Indy for most of the movie. To make it worse Helena is an obnoxious asshole with her own Great Value Short Round.

The films one consistent positive was the villain who is thoroughly evil, good and beating Jones or at least being right on his heels and actually realizes his mistake albeit too late.

Crystal Skull is at least watchable throughout; this is not, looks horribly artificial and has some really dull CGI action sequences that like the rest of the movie go on far too long.
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This is pretty spot on.

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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

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To make it worse Helena is an obnoxious asshole with her own Great Value Short Round.
Great Value Short Round.

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Re: Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny (2023, D: Mangold) -- The Spoiler Reviews Thread

Hot garbage. But it was better than Crystal Skull.

The one and only time I'll watch it, same as CS.

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