Superman: Legacy (2025, D: Gunn)
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The difference is Warner Brothers Pictures was overseeing the DC properties and many of those executives were the ones interfering and making stupid decisions. DC Studios are now their own operating unit, DC Films was not. The head of WBD has other things to do besides focus on just DC stuff. Do you think all that Bob Iger focuses on is Marvel?
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The difference is Warner Brothers Pictures was overseeing the DC properties and many of those executives were the ones interfering and making stupid decisions. DC Studios are now their own operating unit, DC Films was not. The head of WBD has other things to do besides focus on just DC stuff. Do you think all that Bob Iger focuses on is Marvel?
The only way Gunn and Safran could operate completely unfettered is if they owned their own studio, completely unaffiliated with anyone else, and worked on their own IPs.
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I really hope they do have the freedom now, but one WW 1986 is all it'll take for the reigns to be reeled back in.
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I was watching one of the animated DC movies on HBO Max the other night and was struck at how much I enjoy that those movies just start with Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and everyone else already in place. No time wasted with anyone's origins. At this point these characters are so well-known that I would love it if we didn't get a frame of backstory for at least a generation of moviegoers.
Fingers crossed that this doesn't start in any way with Krypton blowing up and a spaceship with baby Jor-El crashing in a Kansas field.
Superman is literally an "illegal alien". I'm surprised conservatives don't picket the premiere every time one of these movies comes out.
Fingers crossed that this doesn't start in any way with Krypton blowing up and a spaceship with baby Jor-El crashing in a Kansas field.
Superman is literally an "illegal alien". I'm surprised conservatives don't picket the premiere every time one of these movies comes out.
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Re: Superman: Legacy (2025, D: Gunn)
The issue with adapting something like All Star Superman is you have to get the studio to get away from the standard "reintroduce the character/origin story" plotline and fully embrace a world where superheroes are already established and silly crap has happened that is somewhat unexplained. Gunn was able to get away with it with his Suicide Squad where he just threw in a bunch of characters (with some flashbacks for origins) and went with it (like where did Mongal come from? just go with it) but I'm not sure if he can convince them about something like Superman. Would be pretty cool though.
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If I were making a Directors Cut of Man of Steel I’d actually cut the entire Krypton beginning. I think the scene in the ship with Joe-El gives you the backstory you need (plus is has a cool at deco feel). I’ve had this debate with a friend, but they actually think the Krypton segment is the best. Besides, I can only imagine how much budget cutting that would have saved.
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Funny how times have changed. I remember when production artwork for MOS was being released, we were all excited that Snyder was gonna lean heavily into the sci-fi elements of Superman's backstore. In fact, as I recall, that 15-minute Krypton prologue was many folks favorite part of the movie.
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The whole "this symbol means hope" explanation isn't even from the prologue, now that you mention it. But the prologue does help set up Zod and the Codex. It also establishes the stakes for the Kryptonians by showing us (rather than telling us) how far from grace Krypton has fallen. That way Zod and Jor-El could trim down on their necessary exposition. I also recall that the prologue shows how focused Zod is on his duty despite personal cost. Just look at Michael Shannon reacting to Russel Crowe's refusal to join him. He's genuinely taken aback. And in both instances he kills Jor-El (both the real one and when he deletes the computer simulation), there's some subtle acting from Shannon where he shows both regret for the action but also resolve for what needs to be done.
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But the prologue does help set up Zod and the Codex. It also establishes the stakes for the Kryptonians by showing us (rather than telling us) how far from grace Krypton has fallen. That way Zod and Jor-El could trim down on their necessary exposition. I also recall that the prologue shows how focused Zod is on his duty despite personal cost. Just look at Michael Shannon reacting to Russel Crowe's refusal to join him. He's genuinely taken aback. And in both instances he kills Jor-El (both the real one and when he deletes the computer simulation), there's some subtle acting from Shannon where he shows both regret for the action but also resolve for what needs to be done.
In general, I think many modern genre spend too much time filling in the "blanks". These are answers to questions no one asked. See also: midichlorians.
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In all fairness, the "S" meaning hope comes from the comics. Same with the houses all having their own family crest. Did you also complain during the prologue of the Donner movie, which might have been the same length (I don't recall)?

I don't care about anything to do with Krypton, the Codex or their backstory. Krypton exploded and Zod wants to recreate Krypton on Earth. No more exposition needed.
In general, I think many modern genre spend too much time filling in the "blanks". These are answers to questions no one asked. See also: midichlorians.
In general, I think many modern genre spend too much time filling in the "blanks". These are answers to questions no one asked. See also: midichlorians.
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That codex thing was just overcomplicating the plot. There's something interesting underneath where you see Zod being a slave to what he was programmed to do, but that whole codex thing and terraforming Earth, a planet that gives you freaking super powers, into a replica of your dreary world where you have no super powers, just made little sense. Superman is barely morally conflicted about sacrificing the entire future of his race (mainly because it meant like totally eradicating his mom and prospective girlfriend)
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In all fairness, the "S" meaning hope comes from the comics. Same with the houses all having their own family crest. Did you also complain during the prologue of the Donner movie, which might have been the same length (I don't recall)?
And honestly, I’m not a huge fan of that movie. I liked it as a kid but the technology has come so far since then with superhero movies that I can’t really take it that seriously. Flying around the earth to go back in time is just too much for me now. I like the sequel better anyway.
To each his own. I get wanting to keep it simple, which is why I appreciate how the John Wick movies drip feed world building exposition. But the front loading works fine in MOS. And at least they skipped showing his ship crashing and being discovered by the Kents.
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Fair enough 
I just checked - the prologue in Krypton for the 1978 movie is also over 20 minutes long (but 5 minutes of it is the opening credits). I’ll give that one more of a pass since moviegoers weren’t necessarily familiar with Superman’s origin story. We certainly didn’t need it again for Man of Steel.
And honestly, I’m not a huge fan of that movie. I liked it as a kid but the technology has come so far since then with superhero movies that I can’t really take it that seriously. Flying around the earth to go back in time is just too much for me now. I like the sequel better anyway.

I just checked - the prologue in Krypton for the 1978 movie is also over 20 minutes long (but 5 minutes of it is the opening credits). I’ll give that one more of a pass since moviegoers weren’t necessarily familiar with Superman’s origin story. We certainly didn’t need it again for Man of Steel.
And honestly, I’m not a huge fan of that movie. I liked it as a kid but the technology has come so far since then with superhero movies that I can’t really take it that seriously. Flying around the earth to go back in time is just too much for me now. I like the sequel better anyway.

Also I will always hold up the Pa Kent scenes in that movie.
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It makes it even worse when you watch the first movie and then follow it up with The Donner Cut of Superman II. We get to see Superman fly around the Earth, turning back time, twice!
Hey Supes, come up with a new move, dude! Not every problem should be resolved by spinning the Earth backwards.
Hey Supes, come up with a new move, dude! Not every problem should be resolved by spinning the Earth backwards.
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Oh, definitely agreed there. Just saying that while I still love both, it feels to me like Superman holds up a bit better than Superman 2 as a whole (and I thought the opposite as a kid)
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It makes it even worse when you watch the first movie and then follow it up with The Donner Cut of Superman II. We get to see Superman fly around the Earth, turning back time, twice!
Hey Supes, come up with a new move, dude! Not every problem should be resolved by spinning the Earth backwards.
Hey Supes, come up with a new move, dude! Not every problem should be resolved by spinning the Earth backwards.
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I'm guessing Gunn will reveal who he cast as Superman during 2023 Comic Con. Seems like the perfect opportunity for him to make a buzz worthy announcement. He has claimed that no one has been cast yet recently.
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Corenswet has seemed like the obvious choice to me since it was announced they’d recast. I’ve seen some say Hoult is actually up for a Clark and not Lex. I don’t really see him as Clark, but think he’d be great had Lex. The names for Lois I like a lot.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...nn-1235486603/
The quest for James Gunn’s Superman is up, up, and away.
Casting for Superman: Legacy, the feature that is meant to kick off Gunn and Peter Safran’s much-vaunted first chapter of DC Studios, is hitting a crucial phase, with a short list of names bubbling up for the roles of Clark Kent, Lois Lane and even Lex Luthor.
David Corenswet, who recently played the ill-fated projectionist opposite Mia Goth in Pearl, is among the top contenders to play Kent, aka Superman, advancing to the screen test stage that will likely take place after Memorial Day or early June, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. Two other contenders may also be in the mix but their identities remain unknown.
Jacob Elordi, the sought-after star who broke out as the resident villain on HBO series Euphoria, is a name that surfaced for the role of Kent but sources say he never submitted himself into the ring. British actors Tom Brittney and Andrew Richardson are also names that were in the early mix.
As for Lane, the spunky reporter at Metropolis’ Daily Planet news organization, contenders have been Emma Mackey, one of the stars of the Netflix series Sex Education and who will appear in Warner Bros. title Barbie; Rachel Brosnahan, the Emmy-winning star of Amazon’s acclaimed The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel; Bridgerton actress Phoebe Dynevor; and Samara Weaving, last seen in Scream VI. It is unclear who is advancing on to the testing stage. Brosnahan is said to have delivered an “outstanding” audition but, at 32, may be in the older range for what Gunn is ultimately hoping to achieve, a look Metropolis heroics via 20-something characters.
Sources caution that some of these are not screen testing and have merely been in the mix. One source, without providing additional detail, dismissed some of the names as “a chatroom list.” Warners had no comment and one insider said the filmmakers and studio “are nowhere near a decision.”
One role that seems to have only one person earmarked is the classic villain Luthor. Nicholas Hoult, currently starring in vampire thriller Renfield, has been tipped to play the bald-headed evil genius. Hoult’s name has been swirling around Legacy for several weeks now with some theorizing he was up for Superman. The actor had a previous close call with the DC movie realm when he the runner-up to play Batman for Matt Reeves, with the role going to Robert Pattinson. “The studio has loved him since Fury Road,” said one source, referring to Warners’ 2015 action classic from George Miller.
And while the roles being chased by many of the town’s up-and-comers include the trio of classic characters, sources say the movie will be populated by many faces as it will seek to introduce DC heroes that are already established in the movie’s setting.
Superman: Legacy will be the first film under the Gunn-Safran regime at DC, making the casting of particular note. The superhero holds a place of particular importance for Gunn. “I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” Gunn told THR in an April cover story. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”
As for the macroeconomics of Superman, Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav is betting big on the new superhero strategy. “DC is the biggest value creation opportunity for us,” Zaslav said in February, during a Q4 earnings report. In 2022 and early 2023, WBD cleared the DC decks, shelving Batgirl indefinitely claiming a tax write-down, and releasing Black Adam and Shazam! Fury of the Gods to mixed results at the box office. Still to come is Blue Beetle, which was once set for HBO Max but was moved to an August theatrical release, and June’s long-delayed Flash movie that has already been screened in full for exhibitors at CinemaCon with positive results. Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, due out in December, is the final DC film made by the previous regime.
Casting for Superman: Legacy, the feature that is meant to kick off Gunn and Peter Safran’s much-vaunted first chapter of DC Studios, is hitting a crucial phase, with a short list of names bubbling up for the roles of Clark Kent, Lois Lane and even Lex Luthor.
David Corenswet, who recently played the ill-fated projectionist opposite Mia Goth in Pearl, is among the top contenders to play Kent, aka Superman, advancing to the screen test stage that will likely take place after Memorial Day or early June, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. Two other contenders may also be in the mix but their identities remain unknown.
Jacob Elordi, the sought-after star who broke out as the resident villain on HBO series Euphoria, is a name that surfaced for the role of Kent but sources say he never submitted himself into the ring. British actors Tom Brittney and Andrew Richardson are also names that were in the early mix.
As for Lane, the spunky reporter at Metropolis’ Daily Planet news organization, contenders have been Emma Mackey, one of the stars of the Netflix series Sex Education and who will appear in Warner Bros. title Barbie; Rachel Brosnahan, the Emmy-winning star of Amazon’s acclaimed The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel; Bridgerton actress Phoebe Dynevor; and Samara Weaving, last seen in Scream VI. It is unclear who is advancing on to the testing stage. Brosnahan is said to have delivered an “outstanding” audition but, at 32, may be in the older range for what Gunn is ultimately hoping to achieve, a look Metropolis heroics via 20-something characters.
Sources caution that some of these are not screen testing and have merely been in the mix. One source, without providing additional detail, dismissed some of the names as “a chatroom list.” Warners had no comment and one insider said the filmmakers and studio “are nowhere near a decision.”
One role that seems to have only one person earmarked is the classic villain Luthor. Nicholas Hoult, currently starring in vampire thriller Renfield, has been tipped to play the bald-headed evil genius. Hoult’s name has been swirling around Legacy for several weeks now with some theorizing he was up for Superman. The actor had a previous close call with the DC movie realm when he the runner-up to play Batman for Matt Reeves, with the role going to Robert Pattinson. “The studio has loved him since Fury Road,” said one source, referring to Warners’ 2015 action classic from George Miller.
And while the roles being chased by many of the town’s up-and-comers include the trio of classic characters, sources say the movie will be populated by many faces as it will seek to introduce DC heroes that are already established in the movie’s setting.
Superman: Legacy will be the first film under the Gunn-Safran regime at DC, making the casting of particular note. The superhero holds a place of particular importance for Gunn. “I completely relate to Superman because he’s everything I am,” Gunn told THR in an April cover story. “He’s somebody who is an outsider who feels like an alien, but also the ultimate insider, because he’s fucking Superman. And that’s kind of like what I feel like.”
As for the macroeconomics of Superman, Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav is betting big on the new superhero strategy. “DC is the biggest value creation opportunity for us,” Zaslav said in February, during a Q4 earnings report. In 2022 and early 2023, WBD cleared the DC decks, shelving Batgirl indefinitely claiming a tax write-down, and releasing Black Adam and Shazam! Fury of the Gods to mixed results at the box office. Still to come is Blue Beetle, which was once set for HBO Max but was moved to an August theatrical release, and June’s long-delayed Flash movie that has already been screened in full for exhibitors at CinemaCon with positive results. Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, due out in December, is the final DC film made by the previous regime.