Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
12-03-21, 07:37 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
I’ve never had an opinion on Baldwin one way or the other but, yeah, just seeing short clips of that interview, Baldwin is not doing himself any favors. Saying shit like he “doesn’t feel guilty” about the shooting and “It’s someone’s fault but not mine” really make him look like an asshole.
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12-03-21, 07:46 PM
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John Schneider says he’s 'disgusted’ by Alec Baldwin’s ‘refusal to show any guilt’ following interview
On Thursday, the actor spoke in-depth for the first time about the Oct. 21 shooting on the set of his Western film "Rust" that resulted in cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’ death.The 63-year-old, who became emotional discussing the 42-year-old, said he feels incredible sadness and regret over the shooting on the New Mexico film set, but not guilt.
"Someone is responsible for what happened, and I can’t say who that was, but it’s not me," Baldwin told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. "Honest to God, if I felt I was responsible, I might have killed myself."
Schneider, who has been critical of Baldwin’s decision to do the interview, wasn’t buying it.
"This is becoming an obvious attempt to blame the gun," the actor told Fox News Digital. "Guns don’t work that way. They don’t load themselves and they don’t fire themselves. That’s absurd."
"I’m dismayed and disgusted by Mr. Baldwin’s refusal to show any guilt, shame or remorse for his actions," the "Dukes of Hazzard" star continued. "I’m embarrassed for my industry and the dark cloud that this is causing to come over it. My sincere hope is that this is not a smokescreen to hide some darker truth."
In the tell-all, Baldwin claimed that despite holding the gun, he "didn’t pull the trigger."
Before the interview, Schneider shared his thoughts on the matter in an 18-minute video titled "Seriously Alec?"
The 61-year-old claimed the interview was "all designed to make us feel sorry for Alec Baldwin" and claimed the actor's teary-eyed emotional responses during the interview were "bulls--t."
Schneider questioned the conversation, asking whether viewers were supposed to "believe that a gun went off by itself."
"This is a wonderful business we all work in. We are honored and privileged to be part of it," he continued. "So when someone takes a crap – which obviously George and Alec have done here and obviously this woman is still deceased. Her family is still without a mother, without a wife. This is absurd."
Schneider said he believes "the propaganda machine" is responsible for perpetuating the idea that Baldwin "is a victim."
"Three weeks ago, it was a prop gun. Four weeks ago, nobody knew how in the world this real weapon was loaded on the set," Schneider said. "Today, he didn't pull the trigger."
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On Thursday, the actor spoke in-depth for the first time about the Oct. 21 shooting on the set of his Western film "Rust" that resulted in cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’ death.The 63-year-old, who became emotional discussing the 42-year-old, said he feels incredible sadness and regret over the shooting on the New Mexico film set, but not guilt.
"Someone is responsible for what happened, and I can’t say who that was, but it’s not me," Baldwin told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. "Honest to God, if I felt I was responsible, I might have killed myself."
Schneider, who has been critical of Baldwin’s decision to do the interview, wasn’t buying it.
"This is becoming an obvious attempt to blame the gun," the actor told Fox News Digital. "Guns don’t work that way. They don’t load themselves and they don’t fire themselves. That’s absurd."
"I’m dismayed and disgusted by Mr. Baldwin’s refusal to show any guilt, shame or remorse for his actions," the "Dukes of Hazzard" star continued. "I’m embarrassed for my industry and the dark cloud that this is causing to come over it. My sincere hope is that this is not a smokescreen to hide some darker truth."
In the tell-all, Baldwin claimed that despite holding the gun, he "didn’t pull the trigger."
Before the interview, Schneider shared his thoughts on the matter in an 18-minute video titled "Seriously Alec?"
The 61-year-old claimed the interview was "all designed to make us feel sorry for Alec Baldwin" and claimed the actor's teary-eyed emotional responses during the interview were "bulls--t."
Schneider questioned the conversation, asking whether viewers were supposed to "believe that a gun went off by itself."
"This is a wonderful business we all work in. We are honored and privileged to be part of it," he continued. "So when someone takes a crap – which obviously George and Alec have done here and obviously this woman is still deceased. Her family is still without a mother, without a wife. This is absurd."
Schneider said he believes "the propaganda machine" is responsible for perpetuating the idea that Baldwin "is a victim."
"Three weeks ago, it was a prop gun. Four weeks ago, nobody knew how in the world this real weapon was loaded on the set," Schneider said. "Today, he didn't pull the trigger."
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12-03-21, 09:15 PM
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I know the world was waiting breathlessly to hear what John Schneider had to say on the subject.
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12-03-21, 09:29 PM
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Yeah maybe post what George Clooney, a respected A List actor has to say on the subject, not some has been shitty has-been 70s TV actor who Fox News has to dredge up since no A, B or C list actor will talk to them.
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12-03-21, 10:52 PM
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So let me see if I got this straight...
1. Somehow live ammo got onto the set.
2. The armorer doesn't know how a live round got into the gun after she inspected it.
3. The assistant director declares "cold gun."
4. The pistol accidentally goes off without pulling the trigger.
Wow. This just wasn't Halyna's lucky day, was it?
1. Somehow live ammo got onto the set.
2. The armorer doesn't know how a live round got into the gun after she inspected it.
3. The assistant director declares "cold gun."
4. The pistol accidentally goes off without pulling the trigger.
Wow. This just wasn't Halyna's lucky day, was it?
1. Someone made a dummy bullet without discharging the primer.
2. The trigger on the gun that contained an undischarged dummy bullet was pulled, which discharged the primer and provided enough force to push the round into the barrel of the gun.
3. Nobody checked to see if the barrel of the gun was clear between the time the round was hung and between the time it was loaded with a blank and given to another actor to shoot Brandon Lee's character in the The Crow.
Wasn't Brandon's lucky day, either.
Both of these were failures on multiple levels. If someone had done what they were supposed to do at each step of the way, then both Brandon Lee and Halyna Hutchins would have attended the premiers of their movies.
12-04-21, 04:39 AM
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12-04-21, 11:48 AM
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Meh. It's just an opinion gathered by Fox News from a staunch Republican speaking-out against the behavior and actions of a staunch Democrat. Pulitzer Prize winning stuff!
12-04-21, 12:06 PM
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So let me see if I got this straight...
1. Somehow live ammo got onto the set.
2. The armorer doesn't know how a live round got into the gun after she inspected it.
3. The assistant director declares "cold gun."
4. The pistol accidentally goes off without pulling the trigger.
Wow. This just wasn't Halyna's lucky day, was it?
1. Somehow live ammo got onto the set.
2. The armorer doesn't know how a live round got into the gun after she inspected it.
3. The assistant director declares "cold gun."
4. The pistol accidentally goes off without pulling the trigger.
Wow. This just wasn't Halyna's lucky day, was it?
12-04-21, 12:40 PM
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Should Baldwin feel *guilty* about what happened? He wasn't the one who loaded the gun. He was told it was a cold gun, and from what we've heard, it's not like he was playing around with it. Now whether he has a degree of guilt based on being a producer (and do we know how active of a producer he was?), that's another matter. But based purely on the fact that he was the one who happened to be holding the gun? I think he bears as much guilt as the guy holding the gun in the Brandon Lee case.
I didn't watch the full interview but caught part of it. I heard Baldwin comment that he never checked the gun himself because very early in his career, he did so and was told by the gun handler to never do that because they never want the actor being the last one handling a gun like that. That made a lot of sense to me. Plus, it isn't like Baldwin didn't express remorse and sympathy for what happened.
As far as lawsuits, I remember Baldwin also commenting that he expects and encourages the victim's family to sue and was annoyed that others who weren't as directly affected have filed lawsuits before the widower because it could dilute the amount of money that he could get.
But that's the thing, everyone is jumping to conclusions without any real knowledge of what happened. And it's truly disgusting how some people are using this politically.
I didn't watch the full interview but caught part of it. I heard Baldwin comment that he never checked the gun himself because very early in his career, he did so and was told by the gun handler to never do that because they never want the actor being the last one handling a gun like that. That made a lot of sense to me. Plus, it isn't like Baldwin didn't express remorse and sympathy for what happened.
As far as lawsuits, I remember Baldwin also commenting that he expects and encourages the victim's family to sue and was annoyed that others who weren't as directly affected have filed lawsuits before the widower because it could dilute the amount of money that he could get.
But that's the thing, everyone is jumping to conclusions without any real knowledge of what happened. And it's truly disgusting how some people are using this politically.
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12-04-21, 12:46 PM
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I don't know why people think that's so improbable. It the most famous shooting in history, John F Kennedy and John Connolly got shot with the same bullet - - even Oliver Stone believes that.
12-04-21, 02:20 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
Should Baldwin feel *guilty* about what happened? He wasn't the one who loaded the gun. He was told it was a cold gun, and from what we've heard, it's not like he was playing around with it. Now whether he has a degree of guilt based on being a producer (and do we know how active of a producer he was?), that's another matter. But based purely on the fact that he was the one who happened to be holding the gun? I think he bears as much guilt as the guy holding the gun in the Brandon Lee case.
I didn't watch the full interview but caught part of it. I heard Baldwin comment that he never checked the gun himself because very early in his career, he did so and was told by the gun handler to never do that because they never want the actor being the last one handling a gun like that. That made a lot of sense to me. Plus, it isn't like Baldwin didn't express remorse and sympathy for what happened.
I didn't watch the full interview but caught part of it. I heard Baldwin comment that he never checked the gun himself because very early in his career, he did so and was told by the gun handler to never do that because they never want the actor being the last one handling a gun like that. That made a lot of sense to me. Plus, it isn't like Baldwin didn't express remorse and sympathy for what happened.
But that's the thing, everyone is jumping to conclusions without any real knowledge of what happened. And it's truly disgusting how some people are using this politically.
It is a day that ends in Y, so...
12-04-21, 02:58 PM
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I totally agree on this. He very clearly is disturbed by the events, and he very clearly has expressed remorse. This will haunt him forever. But guilt and remorse are not the same, and people jumping on him for saying he doesn't feel guilty really seem to be showing their own ass at this point.
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12-05-21, 01:54 AM
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I suppose he needs to be careful with words like "guilt" and "responsibility" for legal reasons. That's the kind of stuff that could be used against him in a civil suit or a criminal case. Every word he said was likely vetted by a legal team, and that's why he came off looking dickish.
It probably would have been best to just keep his mouth shut and maintain a low profile until all the legal stuff is resolved.
It probably would have been best to just keep his mouth shut and maintain a low profile until all the legal stuff is resolved.
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12-05-21, 03:01 AM
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12-06-21, 12:45 PM
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Yeah. That interview screamed of being self serving and attempting to cover his ass. It is up to him whether he should feel guilty about killing a woman. The tool was only in his hand and he neglected to even take the most rudimentary safety procedures with it. Most normal people would feel guilt over killing someone.
12-06-21, 01:26 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
Could it be how he was verbally abusive to his daughter?
How about assaulting a neighbor over a parking spot?
Maybe refusing to follow the instruction of a flight crew?
His use of homophobic slurs?
The guy is a massive asshole. There really isn't an argument about it.
Whoever his lawyers and PR folks are that authorized this interview need to be fired.
12-06-21, 02:34 PM
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03-08-22, 01:23 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
He ain't make it easy to feel any sympathy for his part in the accident, is he? Urgh!
Alec Baldwin says Halyna Hutchins's family and others are suing him because they are money-motivated
Alec Baldwin argued that there are only 'two victims' in the on-set shooting that killed Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and claims many of the individuals who have filed lawsuits against him are 'deep pockets litigants'. The actor, addressing the tragedy at the Boulder International Film Festival (BIFF) in Colorado Saturday, said he remains 'hopeful when the facts come out we will not be held criminally responsible' for the shooting.
'Why sue people if you're not going to get money? That's what you're doing.'
Alec Baldwin says Halyna Hutchins's family and others are suing him because they are money-motivated
Alec Baldwin argued that there are only 'two victims' in the on-set shooting that killed Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and claims many of the individuals who have filed lawsuits against him are 'deep pockets litigants'. The actor, addressing the tragedy at the Boulder International Film Festival (BIFF) in Colorado Saturday, said he remains 'hopeful when the facts come out we will not be held criminally responsible' for the shooting.
'Why sue people if you're not going to get money? That's what you're doing.'
03-08-22, 01:28 PM
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He's not wrong. Based on everything we know, how could Alec hold any of the blame for what happened? The only thing that separates him from the people who actually were at fault is his bank account
03-08-22, 01:32 PM
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He's a Producer of the film. That makes him partially liable for a fatal accident on the set no matter whose fault it was.
03-08-22, 01:46 PM
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So far, all we really know is Baldwin was a producer who holds some liability over what happened based on the safety precautions and procedures that were ignored, he was literally the one who fired the bullet, and he keeps going on TV and running his mouth about his innocence.
I was fully on board with “Baldwin can’t be blamed, it was just a bad accident” at the beginning of this whole thing. The more I hear about the incident the more I fall into the “Baldwin and the filmmakers seriously fucked up somewhere” camp.
03-08-22, 01:52 PM
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Otherwise, Baldwin's right - they're just after money, not placing the responsibility on those DIRECTLY responsible for the tragedy.
03-08-22, 01:57 PM
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Don't actors get "Producer" credit for films they're in all the time without actually doing anything other than act? That doesn't seem like a valid reason to go after him personally. His money compared to everyone else involved in the incident certainly is.
To say an actor holding what he thought was an empty prop gun who didn't even pull the trigger is financially responsible for what happened is pretty silly, IMO.
To say an actor holding what he thought was an empty prop gun who didn't even pull the trigger is financially responsible for what happened is pretty silly, IMO.
03-08-22, 02:33 PM
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To my knowledge, Baldwin wasn't the day to day producer, in charge of running the production. He was an executive producer, just in charge of the money, more or less. He wouldn't have any direct responsibility for stuff like that.