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Old 10-25-21, 11:34 AM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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It sounds like such a weird situation. I think the two biggest to blame are the AD and the Armorer, Hannah Gutierrez. Obviously, itís looking like Halls has disregarded safety protocols in the past and it looks like he disregarded safety protocols the day of the accident. Iím not even sure Gutierrez was present when the cinematographer was shot (although, she sure-as-shit should have been). Sounds like Halls was the one who called for a ďcold gunĒ before handing it to Baldwin (sounds like protocol was supposed to be the Gutierrez inspects the gun first, then hands it to Halls to inspect it again before handing it to an actor).

Additinally, it sounds like the guns, and THAT gun in particular, were used for target shooting for fun. Just prior to the shooting, the cast and crew were bussed off site for lunch. Iím wondering if some stayed behind to shoot the guns for fun and then placed it back on the cart with a live round left in it.
It seemed like the armourer had no training because Production didn't want to pay an experienced professional. Prooducers share in the blame as well. All in all this film was a trainwreck due to the combo of overworked and inexperienced/incompetent crew because Production were cutting corners to save on cost.
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Old 10-25-21, 11:46 AM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by clckworang View Post
My bet is you can make fake guns that look good to hold but aren't convincing if they need to be fired. I know the next solution people will have is CGI, but that doesn't always look good either. Plus, that's probably not going to be an option for most low-budget productions.
There are a ton of realistic airsoft guns that can be used, the only difference is that it won't eject a shell for weapons with a slide cartridge, but it will simulate blowback recoil. I have a number of them and used them in my old college student films.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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There are a ton of realistic airsoft guns that can be used, the only difference is that it won't eject a shell for weapons with a slide cartridge, but it will simulate blowback recoil. I have a number of them and used them in my old college student films.
Does that mean that they would have to add the flash in post?
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

One of the countless threads I've read about guns on camera is that, many times, more often than you'd think, muzzle flash is missed by the 24fps recording (or gets caught in a partial way where it looks dumb), so they have to add the flash in post anyway. And there are countless options available to add it in there with whatever else you may need since you're talking about something that appears on screen for a few frames at best. Sure, when it looks bad, it looks really bad, but that doesn't mean it can't look good and sufficient for the show.

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Old 10-25-21, 03:13 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by AaronHernandez View Post
It seemed like the armourer had no training because Production didn't want to pay an experienced professional. Prooducers share in the blame as well. All in all this film was a trainwreck due to the combo of overworked and inexperienced/incompetent crew because Production were cutting corners to save on cost.
Saw a news reporter say it was the armourer's 2nd or 3rd movie.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

This incident has made me appreciate action movies with a ton of gunfights. Everything from big budget Michael Bay and John Woo type movies to the low budget crap you see on Amazon Prime with generic titles like Seal Team: Strike Force and Shadow Soldiers.

Those movies have huge gunfights with dozens of guns all shooting at the same time with the cameraman dipping in and out of the action. By comparison, Baldwin was practicing drawing the gun from his holster with it seemingly being the only gun on set at the time.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Along the same lines, a movie that is all guns. The John Wick director uses a lot of safety protocols because of his work on the Crow
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Old 10-28-21, 02:22 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by clckworang View Post
Does that mean that they would have to add the flash in post?
Yes, pretty much most muzzle flash is added in post.

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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Just watched the brief Q/A with the media in VT. Wow, that wife of his is a real viper coming down on the media for doing their job. Was surprised she inserted herself so much into the questions addressed to Alec, not her. A true mother. I understand why she's upset, but the attention and bright spotlight is who she married and what she signed up for. I'm sure she's totally fine with the income his celebrity brings in. Just as I expected, that movie will never get finished, nor should it imo. Alec looks like he could use a few weeks of sleep. Serious suitcases under those bulbs.

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Old 10-30-21, 08:29 PM
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I actually thought they handled it fine (despite some obvious tension between them), but I'm sure his agents and lawyers wished he didn't do that. Would be pretty wild to be one of the cars passing by...."that guy looked like Alec Baldwin...."
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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Just watched the brief Q/A with the media in VT. Wow, that wife of his is a real viper coming down on the media for doing their job. Was surprised she inserted herself so much into the questions addressed to Alec, not her. A true mother. I understand why she's upset, but the attention and bright spotlight is who she married and what she signed up for. I'm sure she's totally fine with the income his celebrity brings in. Just as I expected, that movie will never get finished, nor should it imo. Alec looks like he could use a few weeks of sleep. Serious suitcases under those bulbs.
They were paparazzi, it probably took a lot of restraint from being more snippy.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

He voluntarily held this impromptu press conference to respond to the media's questions to hopefully give them answers they wanted so they would hopefully leave them alone. No one was asking her anything. She should have allowed him to speak and kept her mouth shut, which from his remark to her was what he also wanted.

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Old 11-11-21, 11:23 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Alec Baldwin wasn't supposed to pull the trigger in 'Rust' scene that led to fatal shooting, lawsuit claim

The suit added, "The scene did not call for Defendant Baldwin to shoot the Colt Revolver, which should not have contained any live ammunition."
Old 11-12-21, 01:10 AM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

So now that we all know how dangerous these prop guns are I can't enjoy watching movies with gun scenes. Therefore I am filing a lawsuit against Alec Baldwin. If he hadn't pulled the trigger I wouldn't be in this situation.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Bullshit money-grab lawsuit. "I was there, so I deserve a payday." Fuck you, Serge.
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Bullshit money-grab lawsuit. "I was there, so I deserve a payday." Fuck you, Serge.
I would understand the family of the victim, although it was an accident, but a witness claiming damages is shameless.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

IF true that he wasn't supposed to fire it that changes some things...but the lawsuit fuck that.




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IF true that he wasn't supposed to fire it that changes some things...but the lawsuit fuck that.
Does is though? The gun should not have been loaded with real bullets, wether or not Baldwin was supposed to fire it. It's still a gun, guns go of my accident. It makes the story more tragic, but not less accidental.
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Yes it is negligence on his part.


Still tragic I agree.
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guns go of my accident.
This one didn't. Pulling the trigger is not an accident.

And does anyone know what gun was involved? The article mentioned it was a ".45 long Colt revolver". Could mean several different things.
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Yes it is negligence on his part.
You may be right and normally Iíd agree with you wholeheartedly but this is an odd case. I donít know what rules are in place for actors in the world of make-believe.

Are actors that handle guns in movies required to complete a firearms safety course before filming? I honestly donít know but they probably should. Iíve seen people with zero training handle guns. Itís scary. Finger on the trigger. Pulling the trigger. Not inspecting the gun to see if itís loaded. Pointing it at everything. etc.

Alec Baldwin has been in enough action movies over the years to know better than to pull the trigger but who knows what scene he was preparing for or what direction he was given off screen. I know initially I read that he was just practicing drawing the gun from the holster but I donít know if he was told to aim the gun at the camera or told to keep his finger on the trigger for the shot, etc.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by d2cheer View Post
Yes it is negligence on his part.


Still tragic I agree.
Bullshit. If someone on set has a JOB to determine that a stage gun is unloaded and that person hands it to an actor, stating that gun is unloaded, it is IN NO WAY negligence to treat that gun as if it were an unloaded prop. Triggers can get accidentally pulled, some are pretty touchy. That's why we laymen don't point guns at anyone, even if we are pretty sure they are unloaded. That's why guns have a safety mechanism. That's why teaching gun safety is so important.
But again, this isn't a layman picking up a gun they think is unloaded. This is an actor, shooting (or rehearsing) a scene with a gun he has been told by a gun wrangler on set is "cold". Not the same thing, and the same precautions do not or should not apply.

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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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This one didn't. Pulling the trigger is not an accident.

And does anyone know what gun was involved? The article mentioned it was a ".45 long Colt revolver". Could mean several different things.
If you have the hand on the trigger, a little twitch may suffice, but that's not the point. Baldwin was under the impression he was holding a cold prop gun, so even an unscripted intentional pull of the trigger isn't negligant. Since loud noises is the worst that could have happened.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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Does is though? The gun should not have been loaded with real bullets, wether or not Baldwin was supposed to fire it. It's still a gun, guns go of my accident. It makes the story more tragic, but not less accidental.
There never should have been real fucking bullets on the set of a movie, where they could get mixed up with dummies or blanks and loaded into a gun being used as a prop.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Iíve used a prop gun in musicals before loaded with blanks. I happened to be the only one handling the gun so I knew what was in it, but there are certainly situations where a person might be handed a gun onstage that someone else prepared. You arenít going to stop the show to check that - itís why other people have the ďis this gun safeĒ job.
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