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Old 10-23-21, 04:29 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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Who Was Jon-Erik Hexum? How His Death Is Being Compared to Alec Baldwin Prop Gun Tragedy.

Who Was Jon-Erik Hexum? How His Death Is Being Compared to Alec Baldwin Prop Gun Tragedy (newsweek.com)

I was a teen when this happen. It was pretty big news back then.
I remember really liking the show Voyagers! (all one season of it) when I was a kid (~10 yrs old), but I don't recall ever hearing about this guy's death. Very tragic, though it sounds like a prime example of a Darwin Award.
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I remember really liking the show Voyagers! (all one season of it) when I was a kid (~10 yrs old), but I don't recall ever hearing about this guy's death. Very tragic, though it sounds like a prime example of a Darwin Award.
I didn't care for it, but my brother and a friend both liked it. I remember Hexum had chicks drooling and he was going to be a big name in Hollywood.
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As a kid, the incident with Hexum stuck with me for the rest of my life that blanks were still deadly. I had no idea before that.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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I was under the impression with that incident that they knew it was loaded but was blanks and just ignorant about how much force still comes out of the gun so even a blank at that range would kill you if you fired it while holding it to your head.
It as Jon Erik Hexum on Cover-Up.

Dumb thing to do. Even if you didn't think a blank could do enough damage to kill you at close range, I sure as hell wouldn't want to fire a blank that close to my ear.

I was looking up that incident up a couple of days ago for reference, and I read two different accounts. One said that he was playing Russian roulette with the gun -- took all of the blanks out but one, put the gun to his head, and pulled the trigger. The other one is that there was a delay in shooting, he said something like "Can you believe this?" and put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger.
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I was looking up that incident up a couple of days ago for reference, and I read two different accounts. One said that he was playing Russian roulette with the gun -- took all of the blanks out but one, put the gun to his head, and pulled the trigger. The other one is that there was a delay in shooting, he said something like "Can you believe this?" and put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger.
I wasn't sure if it was two different accounts, or - he pulled the trigger, nothing happened, then it was announced there would be more delays so he said "Can you believe this?", then shot himself. If he just kept pulling the trigger until the gun went off... wow.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

I had no idea real guns were still being used on movie sets. Hollywood can make a talking raccoon but they can't manufacture a convincing looking fake gun?


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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Legal experts weigh in Baldwin can face repercussions of negligent manslaughter charges.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

as the guy handed a loaded gun by a "professional armorer" who tells him its perfectly safe and good to go I can't see how he would be responsible at all but as the producer........................

also this has more in common with Brendan Lee than Jon Erik Hexum
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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I had no idea real guns were still being used on movie sets. Hollywood can make a talking raccoon but they can't manufacture a convincing looking fake gun?
My bet is you can make fake guns that look good to hold but aren't convincing if they need to be fired. I know the next solution people will have is CGI, but that doesn't always look good either. Plus, that's probably not going to be an option for most low-budget productions.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Iíve read a couple articles like this and I canít imagine how theyíre anything more than speculative clickbait. Unless some really egregious info comes out about Baldwin, thereís no way heís being charged criminally over this and these ďattorneysĒ in the article know full well he wonít be charged with a crime.

As a producer, I can see him getting caught up in some civil lawsuits and maybe being required to pay money to the family (although Iíve heard conflicting reports that he was either producer or executive producer so Iím not sure how much power he actually had on set). Sounds like there was some shady stuff going on on set for sure though.

Based on what Iíve read, the assistant director who handed Baldwin the gun and the armorer responsible for the firearms are the ones who are screwed in this situation.
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Old 10-24-21, 11:23 AM
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Rather ironic that there is an accidental death on the movie set where the plot of the movie revolves around an accidental death. IMDB doesn't go in depth into the plot of the movie, but the accidental death on the movie plot could have also been an accidental shooting.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Originally Posted by clckworang View Post
My bet is you can make fake guns that look good to hold but aren't convincing if they need to be fired. I know the next solution people will have is CGI, but that doesn't always look good either. Plus, that's probably not going to be an option for most low-budget productions.
surprisingly, CGI gunfire is pretty common in low budget productions. It looks terrible, though. I was an extra on a low budget zombie movie 15 years ago and they were planning to add the gunfire in post.

Thereís an example at about the 40 second mark in this trailer:

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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

After the shooting, Baldwin was "hysterical and absolutely inconsolable for hours," the source said. "Everyone knows this was an accident, but he's absolutely devastated.

He is "canceling other projects" and taking time off to "re-center himself," People reported, citing an unnamed source.
https://www.insider.com/alec-baldwin...mishap-2021-10
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

From TMZ...

The smoking gun that claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins might've been more than just an on-set prop -- it was also being fired recreationally, even when cameras weren't rolling.

Multiple sources directly connected to the 'Rust' production tell TMZ ... the same gun Alec Baldwin accidentally fired -- hitting the DP and director -- was being used by crews members off set as well, for what we're told amounted to target practice.

We're told this off-the-clock shooting -- which was allegedly happening away from the movie lot -- was being done with real bullets ... which is how some who worked on the film believe a live round found its way in one of the chambers that day.

Obviously, authorities would want to speak to anyone who had been using the weapon for target practice, and -- more importantly -- to whoever was putting the gun back among others used for filming.

We've reached out to law enforcement to see if that's happened yet.

There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/23/alec-...rget-practice/
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Things still seem very vague and open to interpretation. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the TMZ article says the gun that Alec Baldwin accidentally fired. Did the gun accidentally go off and Baldwin didn't mean to pull the trigger? Or is the "accidentally fired" referring more to the people getting shot? If Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger thinking that it had blanks, then he didn't accidentally fire the gun, but if he didn't mean to pull the trigger or it was a misfire, that's something else. I'm not saying either scenario puts blame on Baldwin. I'm just trying to figure out exactly how things happened. Like I said, I might be reading too much into things.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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Things still seem very vague and open to interpretation. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the TMZ article says the gun that Alec Baldwin accidentally fired. Did the gun accidentally go off and Baldwin didn't mean to pull the trigger? Or is the "accidentally fired" referring more to the people getting shot? If Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger thinking that it had blanks, then he didn't accidentally fire the gun, but if he didn't mean to pull the trigger or it was a misfire, that's something else. I'm not saying either scenario puts blame on Baldwin. I'm just trying to figure out exactly how things happened. Like I said, I might be reading too much into things.
The particulars in this situation are still coming out. They have no solid definition of misfire with some suggesting that means it went off without a trigger pull and some using that term for a bullet being fired from a supposed cold gun.

More detailed reports will undoubtedly follow in the coming weeks.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

ALBUQUERQUE — Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a scene that involved pointing a revolver “towards the camera lens” when the gun — which the crew had been told did not contain live rounds — suddenly went off and killed the cinematographer, according to the film’s director, who was quoted in an affidavit released Sunday night.

The film’s director, Joel Souza, described hearing what “sounded like a whip and then loud pop.”

The account by Mr. Souza explained why Mr. Baldwin had been pointing the gun at the cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins. But it did not answer the question of how a gun that was not supposed to contain live ammunition wound up killing her.

The director, who was wounded in the shooting, told investigators that he had believed that the gun was safe and that it had been described as a “cold gun” in firearm safety announcements. He said that guns on the film’s set were typically checked by the film’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, and then checked again by Dave Halls, the assistant director, who would hand them to the actors.

On Thursday, after preparing for the scene in a set of a church, Mr. Souza said, there was a lunch break, and the crew was taken by shuttle elsewhere for food. He said that they returned to the set after lunch but that he was “not sure if the firearm was checked again.”

The new details, which emerged when the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office released the affidavit used to obtain a search warrant, provided the fullest account yet of the deadly shooting, which took place Thursday afternoon on a set outside Santa Fe.

Mr. Baldwin had been sitting in a wooden church pew, rehearsing a scene that involved “cross drawing” a revolver and pointing it at the camera lens, Mr. Souza said, according to the affidavit. Mr. Souza said that he had been standing beside Ms. Hutchins “viewing the camera angle.”

Mr. Souza saw Ms. Hutchins grabbing her midsection and starting to stumble backward. Then he noticed he was bleeding from his shoulder.

The details, woven together by Detective Joel Cano in an application for a search warrant to seize everything from camera memory cards to bone fragments and firearm discharge, provide a chilling account of that fatal shooting on a production set that had been beset by accidental gun discharges and labor disputes between producers and crew members. (The warrant was granted.)

“Upon making contact I did observe a visible injury to his right shoulder,” Detective Cano said in the affidavit, describing how he had interviewed Mr. Souza on Friday afternoon, after the director had been treated for his injury. Ms. Hutchins, who sustained a gunshot wound to the chest area, had already been pronounced dead on Thursday at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque.
“Joel stated there should never be live rounds whatsoever, near or around the scene,” Detective Cano wrote in the affidavit.

Mr. Souza was grappling with delays the day of the shooting, after about six members of the camera crew had quit over late pay and safety conditions, the affidavit said. Another crew had quickly been hired, but the production was off to a late start because of the labor problems. Mr. Souza said only one camera was available for recording before the shooting.

Asked about “the employees’ behavior,” Mr. Souza told investigators that “everyone was getting along” and that there had been “no altercations” to his knowledge.

The affidavit also includes notes from an interview with Reid Russell, a cameraman who was standing near Ms. Hutchins and Mr. Souza when the gun discharged.

Mr. Russell told the detective that after returning to the set from lunch, he had stepped outside for about five minutes; when he returned, according to the affidavit, Mr. Baldwin, Ms. Hutchins and Mr. Souza were setting up the scene and were already “in possession of the firearm.” Mr. Russell said he was not sure if the firearm had been inspected because he had been absent for those five minutes.

According to the affidavit, Mr. Halls grabbed the revolver from a gray, two-tiered tray set up by Ms. Gutierrez-Reed. Mr. Halls handed the gun to Mr. Baldwin and shouted, “cold gun,” which on a film set typically refers to an unloaded firearm.

While setting up the scene, the crew had to reposition the camera because there was a shadow. Mr. Russell told the detective that Mr. Baldwin was explaining how he was going to draw the gun, pulling it out from the holster, when the firearm discharged.

Mr. Russell said that Mr. Baldwin had been “very careful” with the firearm; during an earlier scene, Mr. Russell said, Mr. Baldwin had tried to ensure safety on set, making sure that a child wasn’t near him when he was discharging the gun. Asked about how members of the production team were behaving as they set up the scene, he said “everyone seemed to be getting along.”

Mr. Souza, the director, told the detective that because the crew had been setting up the scene when the gun discharged, the incident had not been filmed.

After the firearm was discharged, Mr. Russell told the detective he “remembered Joel having blood on his person, and Ms. Hutchins speaking and saying she couldn’t feel her legs.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/24/a...xERA3ANnNc6IbI
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Man, that's just so awful and so preventable.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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My bet is you can make fake guns that look good to hold but aren't convincing if they need to be fired. I know the next solution people will have is CGI, but that doesn't always look good either. Plus, that's probably not going to be an option for most low-budget productions.
Fine. But then why the fuck are there live bullets on a set? Completely nuts.
Also, is there really not a gun safety dude, who's responsible for inspecting any gun before it's handed to an actor and who also takes it back immediately as soon as the director yells 'cut'??
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

Looks like my theory of a POV shot turned out true.

I wouldn't blame him for avoiding roles where he's handling a gun from now on... or at least for a long while.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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Fine. But then why the fuck are there live bullets on a set? Completely nuts.
Also, is there really not a gun safety dude, who's responsible for inspecting any gun before it's handed to an actor and who also takes it back immediately as soon as the director yells 'cut'??
Why the fuck are you asking me these questions?
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Basically I think the industry normally does an exceptional job at making sure people aren't injured / killed by the prop firearms. Unfortunately, this production crew failed to follow the procedures and protocols, and the consequences were very severe.
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

It's looking more and more likely that Assistant Director Dave Halls was the main culprit in this tragedy:

Alec Baldwin shooting: Dave Halls, assistant director on 'Rust', was subject of complaints dating back to 2019 (msn.com)
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Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well

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It's looking more and more likely that Assistant Director Dave Halls was the main culprit in this tragedy:

Alec Baldwin shooting: Dave Halls, assistant director on 'Rust', was subject of complaints dating back to 2019 (msn.com)
It sounds like such a weird situation. I think the two biggest to blame are the AD and the Armorer, Hannah Gutierrez. Obviously, itís looking like Halls has disregarded safety protocols in the past and it looks like he disregarded safety protocols the day of the accident. Iím not even sure Gutierrez was present when the cinematographer was shot (although, she sure-as-shit should have been). Sounds like Halls was the one who called for a ďcold gunĒ before handing it to Baldwin (sounds like protocol was supposed to be the Gutierrez inspects the gun first, then hands it to Halls to inspect it again before handing it to an actor).

Additinally, it sounds like the guns, and THAT gun in particular, were used for target shooting for fun. Just prior to the shooting, the cast and crew were bussed off site for lunch. Iím wondering if some stayed behind to shoot the guns for fun and then placed it back on the cart with a live round left in it.
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It sounds like such a weird situation. I think the two biggest to blame are the AD and the Armorer, Hannah Gutierrez. Obviously, itís looking like Halls has disregarded safety protocols in the past and it looks like he disregarded safety protocols the day of the accident. Iím not even sure Gutierrez was present when the cinematographer was shot (although, she sure-as-shit should have been). Sounds like Halls was the one who called for a ďcold gunĒ before handing it to Baldwin (sounds like protocol was supposed to be the Gutierrez inspects the gun first, then hands it to Halls to inspect it again before handing it to an actor).

Additinally, it sounds like the guns, and THAT gun in particular, were used for target shooting for fun. Just prior to the shooting, the cast and crew were bussed off site for lunch. Iím wondering if some stayed behind to shoot the guns for fun and then placed it back on the cart with a live round left in it.
This certainly sounds like a good possibility. Another account I read said something about the AD taking the gun from the cart and declaring it cold. No mention of the armorer.

Also of concern is that there were apparently two prior incidents, on this set, of accidental weapon discharges. From CNN:

Three crew members who were on the set last weekend told the Los Angeles Times there were two accidental prop gun discharges before Thursday's fatal shooting. On Oct. 16, Baldwin's stunt double unintentionally fired rounds after he was told the gun was "cold," two of the crew members, who witnessed the discharges, told the newspaper.
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