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dex14 10-22-21 06:23 PM

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The New Mexico set of the indie Western Rust, where cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was shot and killed Thursday by a prop gun “discharged” by star Alec Baldwin, had been having a myriad of issues, including problems related to safety, before the accident, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the situation. That included at least one previous incident involving a misfiring of a weapon that was used days before in a scene.

“A gun had two misfires in a closed cabin,” a source told Deadline. “They just fired loud pops – a person was just holding it in their hands and it went off.”

Just hours before the fatal Thursday accident, in which Hutchins and director Joel Souza were shot, seven of the film’s camera crew packed up their personal gear and walked off the job, citing a wide range of complaints. Several of those who quit wrote letters of resignation.

“We cited everything from lack of payment for three weeks, taking our hotels away despite asking for them in our deals, lack of Covid safety, and on top of that, poor gun safety! Poor on-set safety period!” a member of the camera crew wrote on a private Facebook page. After the walkout, “They brought in four non-union guys to replace us and tried calling the cops on us.”

When reached for comment, Rust Movie Productions, LLC issued the following statement to Deadline:

The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company. Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time.

As for the police investigation, both Baldwin and the film’s armorer, who handled all prop guns, were interviewed and subsequently released Thursday following the incident, the authorities confirmed to Deadline. “No one has been held and there have been no arrests,” Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Juan Rios said on Friday. “Our investigation continues.”

Even before Rust went into production, a number of armorers turned down the gig citing concerns about the budget of the film and the sheer amount of firearms to be utilized, we hear.

The cinematographers guild Thursday night confirmed the identity of Hutchins, 42, who was struck when a prop gun misfired. She died from her injuries after being airlifted to University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. Souza was also transported to a nearby Santa Fe hospital with injuries. He was later released after treatment. Production has been shut down indefinitely.

Late Thursday night, Los Angeles-based IATSE Local 44 sent an email to members saying “a live single round was accidentally fired” from the prop gun, striking Hutchins and Souza. Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Juan Rios told Deadline that they “haven’t even begun the forensics on that issue.” Baldwin was questioned and released and the investigation is ongoing.

Rust was first announced in May 2020 when Baldwin signed on to produce and star in the indie action/Western feature. The pic is based on a story by Baldwin and Crown Vic helmer Souza, who wrote the script and is the director. Frances Fisher, Jensen Ackles, Travis Fimmel and Brady Noon lead the cast.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/rust-mo...ut-1234860497/

TGM 10-22-21 06:45 PM

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Baldwin has more money than he knows what to do with.. I think if that happened to me I'd just retire. My love for "the craft" would've died that day as well.

clckworang 10-22-21 07:17 PM

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That latest article talking about misfires opens up the possibilities of what might have happened. Instead of a POV shot, it could have gone off inadvertently. But it sounds like there were some serious issues on that set.

Kurt D 10-22-21 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 14001513)

maybe less bs speculation is in order.

what are you new?!

Toddarino 10-22-21 08:08 PM

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dex14 10-22-21 08:10 PM

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Ranger 10-22-21 08:11 PM

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I remember when 3D printed plastic guns were in the news.

Throwing Copper 10-22-21 09:17 PM

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This is looking bad for everyone involved. Especially with people warning about apparent gun discharges in the days prior to the killing.

windom 10-22-21 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TGM (Post 14001674)
Baldwin has more money than he knows what to do with.

He has 6 kids under 8! His home in New York is probably pretty pricey too. It's not like he was ever in a string of big hit movies. His biggest movie was probably Hunt for Red October in 1990. He probably made good money on 30 Rock, but it never became a big show in syndication like Seinfeld or Friends.

DJariya 10-22-21 10:20 PM

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Cassar is a TV director and has been chiming in after getting details.



GoldenJCJ 10-22-21 10:26 PM

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Damn. I donít blame Baldwin but there are some people who seriously fucked up on that set! What a mess.

Goonies85 10-22-21 10:40 PM

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You can't blame Baldwin. It sucks all around. Just a shitty situation....I feel for everyone...Just a tragedy....

andicus 10-22-21 11:29 PM

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This is easy to peg as a 'hindsight is 20/20' thing, but if anyone ever gave me a gun, I don't think I could resist checking it, myself, to make sure it either was or wasn't loaded.

Don't take this as me blaming Baldwin, because I'm certainly not. For all I know, protocol prevents anyone from doing anything with a gun, other than what the script dictates.

This is just fucking awful, for everyone involved.

Koby 10-22-21 11:42 PM

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Someone hands me a gun, which happens regularly, the first thing I do is check if a round is chambered. But apparently on set it's the gun wranglers job to check it. Maybe some of these actors don't even know how to work a gun well enough to check it. Sounds like the AD gave him the gun and declared it unloaded, but it wasn't the AD's job to do that in the first place. So Alec should've still waited for the okay from the person whose actual job it is to check. Not saying I blame Alec, it's obviously not his job either... But he could have very well refused to pull the trigger while pointed at someone until the actual gun wrangler verified the claim, though it would seem Alec simply obviously trusted the AD when the AD declared it unloaded. So if anything the blame falls on the AD for wrongly declaring the gun safe and for not having the gun wrangler there to do his job.

Decker 10-23-21 01:56 AM

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Was the Gun Wrangler one of the crew people who quit and stormed off the set?

Josh-da-man 10-23-21 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by andicus (Post 14001786)
Don't take this as me blaming Baldwin, because I'm certainly not. For all I know, protocol prevents anyone from doing anything with a gun, other than what the script dictates.

I'm talking out of my ass here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was against the rules for an actor or any other unqualified individual to open the chamber, check the magazine, or otherwise disassemble the gun.

I would assume that it is the sole responsibility of the weapons master on the set to insure that the guns they give the actors are safe to use and in the state they need to be for the scene.

So even if some actors might know how to safely handle a gun, it's still going to the ultimate responsibility of the weapons handler to insure that any guns will be safe for everyone on the set. And they don't necessarily know the expertise levels everyone who will be using a gun, from the leads to the extras, so it's best to just let the experts do their jobs.

Considering all of the guns that get fired in popular entertainment, these accidents are still very rare and infrequent. This is only the second one I can think of in three decades, so they're still doing a pretty good job. I mean, yes, these things shouldn't happen and are preventable, but they are blessedly rare.

andicus 10-23-21 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 14001814)
I'm talking out of my ass here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was against the rules for an actor or any other unqualified individual to open the chamber, check the magazine, or otherwise disassemble the gun.

I would assume that it is the sole responsibility of the weapons master on the set to insure that the guns they give the actors are safe to use and in the state they need to be for the scene.

So even if some actors might know how to safely handle a gun, it's still going to the ultimate responsibility of the weapons handler to insure that any guns will be safe for everyone on the set. And they don't necessarily know the expertise levels everyone who will be using a gun, from the leads to the extras, so it's best to just let the experts do their jobs.

Considering all of the guns that get fired in popular entertainment, these accidents are still very rare and infrequent. This is only the second one I can think of in three decades, so they're still doing a pretty good job. I mean, yes, these things shouldn't happen and are preventable, but they are blessedly rare.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

Regardless, I don't think I could feel safe unless I checked it myself. Although, I suppose that if the wrangler/weapons master/armorer, whatever they're known as, showed me, and the weapon didn't leave my sight, that could suffice.

rw2516 10-23-21 04:54 AM

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I would think the actor(s) who have the gun pointed at them in a scene would have a greater interest in making sure the gun is safe than the actor holding/firing it.

I keep thinking of The Deerhunter.

Coral 10-23-21 09:46 AM

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I remember a similar incident in the mid 80s where the lead actor of the show Voyagers died from a prop gun.
Although, it was entirely his fault as he was bored while waiting for filming to resume - and jokingly did the Russian Roulette thing not realising he failed to remove all the blank rounds from the gun he had previously loaded.

Would still like to know how the DP and director got shot. Other than a POV shot - I don't get how that happened.

Trout 10-23-21 10:06 AM

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I'm curious, but why would you even have live rounds on set?

Koby 10-23-21 10:28 AM

Re: Alec Baldwin accidentally kills DP with prop gun, director shot as well
 

Originally Posted by Coral (Post 14001856)
I remember a similar incident in the mid 80s where the lead actor of the show Voyagers died from a prop gun.
Although, it was entirely his fault as he was bored while waiting for filming to resume - and jokingly did the Russian Roulette thing not realising he failed to remove all the blank rounds from the gun he had previously loaded.

Would still like to know how the DP and director got shot. Other than a POV shot - I don't get how that happened.

I was under the impression with that incident that they knew it was loaded but was blanks and just ignorant about how much force still comes out of the gun so even a blank at that range would kill you if you fired it while holding it to your head.

rw2516 10-23-21 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Trout (Post 14001862)
I'm curious, but why would you even have live rounds on set?

Sometimes they'll have the actor practice firing live rounds to get the feel of what it's like so that when they film the scene he can fake it.

There are multiple rules and safeguards in place to prevent this. Only way it can happen is if somebody broke a rule. Only new rule would be one that makes sure people follow the existing rules. But then how do you make sure they follow this new rule.

This isn't an accidental firing or misfire. Baldwin pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. He hit what he was aiming at. Still not his fault. Somebody left, or put, a live round in the gun but mistakenly told him there wasn't. It was his responsibility to listen to what these people tell him, not double check their work. Baldwin wouldn't even be expected to know if a gun was loaded or not even if he did check.

B5Erik 10-23-21 12:17 PM

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I would imagine that there ARE rules against actors doing anything with a gun on set other than use it in the scene. You don't want anyone messing with them for safety reasons. Yeah, some of them probably know what they're doing, but most of them wouldn't. Leave it to the experts.

And in this case, either the expert screwed up, or the AD didn't clear it with the experts and thought he WAS expert enough to know whether or not it was safe.

We'll find out before too long what happened. I suspect someone may get charged with criminal negligence.

Sonny Corinthos 10-23-21 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 14001856)
I remember a similar incident in the mid 80s where the lead actor of the show Voyagers died from a prop gun.
Although, it was entirely his fault as he was bored while waiting for filming to resume - and jokingly did the Russian Roulette thing not realising he failed to remove all the blank rounds from the gun he had previously loaded.

Would still like to know how the DP and director got shot. Other than a POV shot - I don't get how that happened.

Who Was Jon-Erik Hexum? How His Death Is Being Compared to Alec Baldwin Prop Gun Tragedy.

Who Was Jon-Erik Hexum? How His Death Is Being Compared to Alec Baldwin Prop Gun Tragedy (newsweek.com)

I was a teen when this happen. It was pretty big news back then.


TomOpus 10-23-21 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trout (Post 14001862)
I'm curious, but why would you even have live rounds on set?


Originally Posted by rw2516 (Post 14001874)
Sometimes they'll have the actor practice firing live rounds to get the feel of what it's like so that when they film the scene he can fake it.

Practice at a shooting range. No reason to keep a real gun anywhere near the set.


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