The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
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That was the tip-off for me that the story was going where it was. It was fairly late in the film, but I wound up guessing the ending thanks to remarks like that.
But as brinee pointed out, Phil shifting gears like that was 'sudden and surprising'. We went from
I think Campion gets away with a lot of stuff like this because of the good will she's built up over the years. If someone else had been at the helm, we might be talking about how it's inconsistent characterization.
But as brinee pointed out, Phil shifting gears like that was 'sudden and surprising'. We went from
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I think Campion gets away with a lot of stuff like this because of the good will she's built up over the years. If someone else had been at the helm, we might be talking about how it's inconsistent characterization.
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I’m a little surprised that anyone thinks Phil was ever a good guy or had decent intentions with the kid.
Phil was the bad guy. IMO. Never thought any differently throughout the entire film.
Phil was the bad guy. IMO. Never thought any differently throughout the entire film.
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I think Phil's turn was an attempt to keep Peter quiet about the pond incident. Phil was embarrassed and didn't want Peter using that information with the other guys. I felt like it started as a way to befriend Peter enough to keep him quiet but developed into a real mentorship with genuine feelings.
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I think Phil's turn was an attempt to keep Peter quiet about the pond incident. Phil was embarrassed and didn't want Peter using that information with the other guys. I felt like it started as a way to befriend Peter enough to keep him quiet but developed into a real mentorship with genuine feelings.
I think Campion has left enough gaps in the narrative to leave her movie wide open for speculation and debate for years.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) S: Cumberbatch, Dunst, Plemons, Smit-McPhee - Netflix
Just saw this last night, and I'm glad I didn't read this thread and that I avoided all spoilers. Wow, that was great. I agree with a lot of the analysis in this thread. I think Phil was a
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
Sorry I didn't put my post in spoiler tags (and thanks to Giles for editing) - I saw SPOILERS in the thread title and thought it was like the spoiler-filled review threads.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
I finally got around to watching this last night, and I didn't like it.
From a technical standpoint, in every way, it is fantastic film-making, but the ultimate question (for me) is: Why did I spend two hours with this story?
I didn't understand the characters or their motivations.
I didn't have any problems with the actual plot of the movie, but without understanding the characters better, what happened didn't matter to me, so why did I spend a solid two hours watching this slowly-paced and dour drama?
And I fucking hate the title.
From a technical standpoint, in every way, it is fantastic film-making, but the ultimate question (for me) is: Why did I spend two hours with this story?
I didn't understand the characters or their motivations.
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I didn't have any problems with the actual plot of the movie, but without understanding the characters better, what happened didn't matter to me, so why did I spend a solid two hours watching this slowly-paced and dour drama?
And I fucking hate the title.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
I hadn't heard anything about this movie other than it was nominated and had a good cast so I watched it.
I thought the framing of shots was absolutely brilliant whether that was Campion of the DOP or a combo I don't know but almost every frame could be a pic you hide on the wall.
I thought the movie itself was sort of meh. I didn't find the character of Phil particularly evil, and his secret was obvious very early on.
Nor was the ultimate twist. I thought it was broadcast pretty loudly.
I would award the cinematogrpahy but not the movie itself.
I thought the framing of shots was absolutely brilliant whether that was Campion of the DOP or a combo I don't know but almost every frame could be a pic you hide on the wall.
I thought the movie itself was sort of meh. I didn't find the character of Phil particularly evil, and his secret was obvious very early on.
Nor was the ultimate twist. I thought it was broadcast pretty loudly.
I would award the cinematogrpahy but not the movie itself.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
I was underwhelmed with this movie.
Its not as good as all it’s made out to be.
The mountains looked nice.
The thing at the end is foreshadowed a handful of times throughout the movie.
Over hyped movie.
Oscar Bait
Its not as good as all it’s made out to be.
The mountains looked nice.
The thing at the end is foreshadowed a handful of times throughout the movie.
Over hyped movie.
Oscar Bait
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
Made time to watch this tonight and really enjoyed it. I’m pretty surprised by the criticisms here. The only scene I’d really criticize is at the end, when
It felt like the movie fully trusted the audience except in that scene.
Without banging you over the head with it, the movie did a superb job at showing you several characters both from their own perspective and from how others viewed them as well. Whether a character was good or bad or strong or weak really came down to whose perspectives you cared more about. That’s a much trickier way to convey the grey-ness of whether people are good or bad than, say, having someone who has a mix of good and bad traits that pretty much everyone objectively agree on. It really takes excellent writing and acting to pull off what they did here and the whole thing was shot and scored beautifully as well.
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It felt like the movie fully trusted the audience except in that scene.
Without banging you over the head with it, the movie did a superb job at showing you several characters both from their own perspective and from how others viewed them as well. Whether a character was good or bad or strong or weak really came down to whose perspectives you cared more about. That’s a much trickier way to convey the grey-ness of whether people are good or bad than, say, having someone who has a mix of good and bad traits that pretty much everyone objectively agree on. It really takes excellent writing and acting to pull off what they did here and the whole thing was shot and scored beautifully as well.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
Made time to watch this tonight and really enjoyed it. I’m pretty surprised by the criticisms here. The only scene I’d really criticize is at the end, when
It felt like the movie fully trusted the audience except in that scene.
Without banging you over the head with it, the movie did a superb job at showing you several characters both from their own perspective and from how others viewed them as well. Whether a character was good or bad or strong or weak really came down to whose perspectives you cared more about. That’s a much trickier way to convey the grey-ness of whether people are good or bad than, say, having someone who has a mix of good and bad traits that pretty much everyone objectively agree on. It really takes excellent writing and acting to pull off what they did here and the whole thing was shot and scored beautifully as well.
Spoiler:
It felt like the movie fully trusted the audience except in that scene.
Without banging you over the head with it, the movie did a superb job at showing you several characters both from their own perspective and from how others viewed them as well. Whether a character was good or bad or strong or weak really came down to whose perspectives you cared more about. That’s a much trickier way to convey the grey-ness of whether people are good or bad than, say, having someone who has a mix of good and bad traits that pretty much everyone objectively agree on. It really takes excellent writing and acting to pull off what they did here and the whole thing was shot and scored beautifully as well.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
Odd rant.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...160437681.html
Sam Elliott Blasts ‘The Power of the Dog’ in Odd Rant: ‘Where’s the Western in This Western?’
“You wanna talk about that piece of s–t?”
That’s how veteran actor Sam Elliott responded when podcast host Marc Maron brought up the critically acclaimed Oscar contender “The Power of the Dog” during a recent appearance on Maron’s “WTF” podcast, kicking off a rant in which Elliott laid out how the film’s subversion of the Western genre and homosexual themes “rubbed me the wrong way,” as he put it.
“I didn’t like it anyway,” Elliott began. “I looked at it when I was down in Texas doing ‘1883,’ and what really brought it home to me the other day… there was a full-page ad in the LA Times and there was a [clip] and it talked about ‘the evisceration of the American myth,’ and I thought, ‘What the f—k? What the f—k?’ This is the guy that’s done Westerns forever. The evisceration of the American West, they look like, what are all those dancers in New York that wear bowties and not much else? Remember them from back in the day? That’s what all these f—kin’ cowboys in that movie looked like. They’re all runnin’ around in chaps and no shirts. There’s all these allusions to homosexuality throughout the f—kin’ movie.”
“Yeah, I think that’s what the movie’s about,” Maron responded pointedly.
The Netflix drama from filmmaker Jane Campion examines the American Western and masculinity through a different lens, with Benedict Cumberbatch playing a conflicted and closeted cowboy. Through his point of view, each fellow cowboy is a temptation, a fact that Maron noted is exactly why some of the characters are seen as sex objects.
Elliott continued airing his grievances, taking aim at New Zealand-born director Jane Campion for her portrayal of the American West and her decision to shoot the film in her native country.
“Jane Campion. She’s a brilliant director, by the way. I love her previous work. But what the f—k does this woman from down there, New Zealand, know about the American West?,” Elliott added. “And why in the f—k does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana and say, ‘This is the way it was?’ So that f—kin’ rubbed me the wrong way pal.”
The “Tombstone” actor brought his argument back to comparing the film to his own experience with cowboys. “And the myth is that they were these macho men out there with the cattle. I’d just come from f—kin’ Texas where I was hanging out with families, not men but families, big long extended multiple generation families that made their living and their lives were all about being cowboys. And boy when I f—kin saw that I thought, ‘What the f—k? Where are we in this world today?’”
Maron interjected, saying, “I don’t know that that’s the biggest issue at hand,” but Elliott pushed back saying, “For me it was the only issue, because there was so much of it.”
The argument petered out with Elliott asking, “Where’s the Western in this Western?” as he seems to have missed the point that Campion’s film is a subversion of Western tropes. “I took it f—kin’ personal, pal,” Elliott concluded with a chuckle.
You can listen to the full conversation here. “The Power of the Dog” is currently streaming on Netflix and is nominated for 12 Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director.
That’s how veteran actor Sam Elliott responded when podcast host Marc Maron brought up the critically acclaimed Oscar contender “The Power of the Dog” during a recent appearance on Maron’s “WTF” podcast, kicking off a rant in which Elliott laid out how the film’s subversion of the Western genre and homosexual themes “rubbed me the wrong way,” as he put it.
“I didn’t like it anyway,” Elliott began. “I looked at it when I was down in Texas doing ‘1883,’ and what really brought it home to me the other day… there was a full-page ad in the LA Times and there was a [clip] and it talked about ‘the evisceration of the American myth,’ and I thought, ‘What the f—k? What the f—k?’ This is the guy that’s done Westerns forever. The evisceration of the American West, they look like, what are all those dancers in New York that wear bowties and not much else? Remember them from back in the day? That’s what all these f—kin’ cowboys in that movie looked like. They’re all runnin’ around in chaps and no shirts. There’s all these allusions to homosexuality throughout the f—kin’ movie.”
“Yeah, I think that’s what the movie’s about,” Maron responded pointedly.
The Netflix drama from filmmaker Jane Campion examines the American Western and masculinity through a different lens, with Benedict Cumberbatch playing a conflicted and closeted cowboy. Through his point of view, each fellow cowboy is a temptation, a fact that Maron noted is exactly why some of the characters are seen as sex objects.
Elliott continued airing his grievances, taking aim at New Zealand-born director Jane Campion for her portrayal of the American West and her decision to shoot the film in her native country.
“Jane Campion. She’s a brilliant director, by the way. I love her previous work. But what the f—k does this woman from down there, New Zealand, know about the American West?,” Elliott added. “And why in the f—k does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana and say, ‘This is the way it was?’ So that f—kin’ rubbed me the wrong way pal.”
The “Tombstone” actor brought his argument back to comparing the film to his own experience with cowboys. “And the myth is that they were these macho men out there with the cattle. I’d just come from f—kin’ Texas where I was hanging out with families, not men but families, big long extended multiple generation families that made their living and their lives were all about being cowboys. And boy when I f—kin saw that I thought, ‘What the f—k? Where are we in this world today?’”
Maron interjected, saying, “I don’t know that that’s the biggest issue at hand,” but Elliott pushed back saying, “For me it was the only issue, because there was so much of it.”
The argument petered out with Elliott asking, “Where’s the Western in this Western?” as he seems to have missed the point that Campion’s film is a subversion of Western tropes. “I took it f—kin’ personal, pal,” Elliott concluded with a chuckle.
You can listen to the full conversation here. “The Power of the Dog” is currently streaming on Netflix and is nominated for 12 Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
This is an odd thing to say. Sam Elliott doesn't understand the movie business? I guess he should stick to movies he only has life-experiences.
“Jane Campion. She’s a brilliant director, by the way. I love her previous work. But what the f—k does this woman from down there, New Zealand, know about the American West?,” Elliott added. “And why in the f—k does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana and say, ‘This is the way it was?’ So that f—kin’ rubbed me the wrong way pal.”
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
Sounds like Elliot is taking the Western genre a little too personally. Unless it fits into his idea of how a Western should look and what a Western should be, he doesn’t care for it. I won’t go so far as to call him a homophobe but it was odd that he took exception to the manliness of what a cowboy should be. I wonder what his thoughts are on Brokeback Mountain?
I’m not even sure I’d label The Power of the Dog as a “Western” anyway.
I’m not even sure I’d label The Power of the Dog as a “Western” anyway.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
This is an odd thing to say. Sam Elliott doesn't understand the movie business? I guess he should stick to movies he only has life-experiences.
“Jane Campion. She’s a brilliant director, by the way. I love her previous work. But what the f—k does this woman from down there, New Zealand, know about the American West?,” Elliott added. “And why in the f—k does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana and say, ‘This is the way it was?’ So that f—kin’ rubbed me the wrong way pal.”

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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
Sounds like Elliot is taking the Western genre a little too personally. Unless it fits into his idea of how a Western should look and what a Western should be, he doesn’t care for it. I won’t go so far as to call him a homophobe but it was odd that he took exception to the manliness of what a cowboy should be. I wonder what his thoughts are on Brokeback Mountain?
I’m not even sure I’d label The Power of the Dog as a “Western” anyway.
I’m not even sure I’d label The Power of the Dog as a “Western” anyway.
He sounds pissed that were was a gay cowboy at the center of the film.
#49
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Yeah, I wasn’t trying to give him a free pass or anything. I was just reluctant to throw homophobe out there because I couldn’t quite grasp what he was complaining about.
#50
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS
Not just a homophobe but misogynistic. "I'm a big fan of her movies, but what does that woman know about being a cowboy, and she didn't even shoot the film in Montana." Tons of shade thrown Campion's way.