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Old 01-23-22, 12:42 PM
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I don't get the love for this one either and didn't like the way it ended.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) S: Cumberbatch, Dunst, Plemons, Smit-McPhee - Netflix

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Peter allowed Phil to use rawhide Peter took from the dead cow he came across, which presumably died of anthrax, to finish the rope he was making.


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While I did pick up that Peter gave Phil the rawhide with the intention of killing him, I do have another question. Is there a possibility that Rose and Peter were working together to murder Phil and Rose's whole drunken stuff may have been an act? I got suspicious when Rose refused to play the piano, which leads me to think there may have been some long con with an endgame in mind.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) S: Cumberbatch, Dunst, Plemons, Smit-McPhee - Netflix

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That was the tip-off for me that the story was going where it was. It was fairly late in the film, but I wound up guessing the ending thanks to remarks like that.


But as brinee pointed out, Phil shifting gears like that was 'sudden and surprising'. We went from
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Phil angrily chasing off Peter to him offering a hand in friendship in front of a bunch of cow hands. The turn feels abrupt (and frankly, unearned) because Campion didn't put anything in between those two beats, something to hint at his changing his mind about Peter.


I think Campion gets away with a lot of stuff like this because of the good will she's built up over the years. If someone else had been at the helm, we might be talking about how it's inconsistent characterization.
I think Phil's turn was an attempt to keep Peter quiet about the pond incident. Phil was embarrassed and didn't want Peter using that information with the other guys. I felt like it started as a way to befriend Peter enough to keep him quiet but developed into a real mentorship with genuine feelings.
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I’m a little surprised that anyone thinks Phil was ever a good guy or had decent intentions with the kid.

Phil was the bad guy. IMO. Never thought any differently throughout the entire film.
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I think Phil's turn was an attempt to keep Peter quiet about the pond incident. Phil was embarrassed and didn't want Peter using that information with the other guys. I felt like it started as a way to befriend Peter enough to keep him quiet but developed into a real mentorship with genuine feelings.
I think it was some of that but mainly Phil now knew Peter knew about his sexuality and was going for a recreation of his Bronco Henry relationship. Like a low key grooming/seduction.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) S: Cumberbatch, Dunst, Plemons, Smit-McPhee - Netflix

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I think Phil's turn was an attempt to keep Peter quiet about the pond incident. Phil was embarrassed and didn't want Peter using that information with the other guys. I felt like it started as a way to befriend Peter enough to keep him quiet but developed into a real mentorship with genuine feelings.
That's certainly a valid interpretation. I hadn't considered that Phil might be trying to keep Peter quiet.

I think Campion has left enough gaps in the narrative to leave her movie wide open for speculation and debate for years.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) S: Cumberbatch, Dunst, Plemons, Smit-McPhee - Netflix

Just saw this last night, and I'm glad I didn't read this thread and that I avoided all spoilers. Wow, that was great. I agree with a lot of the analysis in this thread. I think Phil was a
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bad guy and even when he turned and started mentoring Peter there was always an undercurrent of potential danger (I thought Phil might actually be making a noose to hang Peter and make it look like suicide - just like Peter's father). Clearly there were homosexual overtones, and I wondered about the real nature of Phil's relationship with Bronco, and whether Phil was grooming Peter. I never expected the twist at the end (I'm really glad I never heard about a "surprise" twist ending), and it was jarring. I wonder if Peter simply decided he liked the farm and wanted it, so he arranged for Phil's death so that it would belong solely to George, his stepfather. I worry for George after all this - I bet if the story continued we would find George dies from some convenient accident.

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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) S: Cumberbatch, Dunst, Plemons, Smit-McPhee - Netflix

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Just saw this last night, and I'm glad I didn't read this thread and that I avoided all spoilers. Wow, that was great. I agree with a lot of the analysis in this thread. I think Phil was a
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bad guy and even when he turned and started mentoring Peter there was always an undercurrent of potential danger (I thought Phil might actually be making a noose to hang Peter and make it look like suicide - just like Peter's father). Clearly there were homosexual overtones, and I wondered about the real nature of Phil's relationship with Bronco, and whether Phil was grooming Peter. I never expected the twist at the end (I'm really glad I never heard about a "surprise" twist ending), and it was jarring. I wonder if Peter simply decided he liked the farm and wanted it, so he arranged for Phil's death so that it would belong solely to George, his stepfather. I worry for George after all this - I bet if the story continued we would find George dies from some convenient accident.

I think Peter
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was trying to protect his mother (Phil's constant malevolent presence driving her to drink) and didn't have ulterior motives. I wouldn't think George would be next on the "hit list" since he seems to be a good man ... though god help him if the marriage goes sour down the line .

I don't know if you noticed that the "muscle mags" Peter was looking at were all Bronco's. But I think it's pretty likely the relationship between Bronco and Phil wasn't completely straight. I got a chuckle out of the awkward moment when Phil was telling Peter how he and Bronco would go out camping and Peter asks "Were you naked together?"

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I wonder if Peter simply decided he liked the farm and wanted it
No, the opening narration explained it. "When my father passed, I wanted nothing more than my mother's happiness. For what kind of man would I be if I did not help my mother. If I did not save her." Phil was stressing her out, causing her to drink.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

Sorry I didn't put my post in spoiler tags (and thanks to Giles for editing) - I saw SPOILERS in the thread title and thought it was like the spoiler-filled review threads.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

I finally got around to watching this last night, and I didn't like it.

From a technical standpoint, in every way, it is fantastic film-making, but the ultimate question (for me) is: Why did I spend two hours with this story?

I didn't understand the characters or their motivations.
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The Burbanks were a wealthy family with a good standing in Montana society. Phil would be the black sheep, so what was their past dynamic to explain why is George so intimidated by him?

It would absolutely be expected that both George and Phil would marry and have children, so how is Phil able to make it seem like such an intrusion on their lives that George would marry? Does Phil really think that Rose is a gold-digger or is that just an excuse for some other unexplained problem he has with George?

Why did Phil, with his Ivy League education, become the ultimate Marlboro Man? Some old cowboy fucked him when he was a teenager, and that's it? And that explains why he is generally an asshole, as well?

Is Phil really that mean to Rose? He ignores her and is cold towards her, but so what? That drives her to alcoholism?


I didn't have any problems with the actual plot of the movie, but without understanding the characters better, what happened didn't matter to me, so why did I spend a solid two hours watching this slowly-paced and dour drama?

And I fucking hate the title.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

I hadn't heard anything about this movie other than it was nominated and had a good cast so I watched it.

I thought the framing of shots was absolutely brilliant whether that was Campion of the DOP or a combo I don't know but almost every frame could be a pic you hide on the wall.

I thought the movie itself was sort of meh. I didn't find the character of Phil particularly evil, and his secret was obvious very early on.

Nor was the ultimate twist. I thought it was broadcast pretty loudly.

I would award the cinematogrpahy but not the movie itself.
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I would award the cinematogrpahy but not the movie itself.
The cinematography was great but I think Dune will win that one hands down.

I’m personally pulling for Nightmare Alley.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

I was underwhelmed with this movie.

Its not as good as all it’s made out to be.
The mountains looked nice.
The thing at the end is foreshadowed a handful of times throughout the movie.

Over hyped movie.

Oscar Bait

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I watched it last night and thought it was great. The hype is justified, IMO.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

Made time to watch this tonight and really enjoyed it. I’m pretty surprised by the criticisms here. The only scene I’d really criticize is at the end, when
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the coroner and George talked about anthrax being the cause of death.


It felt like the movie fully trusted the audience except in that scene.

Without banging you over the head with it, the movie did a superb job at showing you several characters both from their own perspective and from how others viewed them as well. Whether a character was good or bad or strong or weak really came down to whose perspectives you cared more about. That’s a much trickier way to convey the grey-ness of whether people are good or bad than, say, having someone who has a mix of good and bad traits that pretty much everyone objectively agree on. It really takes excellent writing and acting to pull off what they did here and the whole thing was shot and scored beautifully as well.
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Made time to watch this tonight and really enjoyed it. I’m pretty surprised by the criticisms here. The only scene I’d really criticize is at the end, when
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the coroner and George talked about anthrax being the cause of death.



It felt like the movie fully trusted the audience except in that scene.

Without banging you over the head with it, the movie did a superb job at showing you several characters both from their own perspective and from how others viewed them as well. Whether a character was good or bad or strong or weak really came down to whose perspectives you cared more about. That’s a much trickier way to convey the grey-ness of whether people are good or bad than, say, having someone who has a mix of good and bad traits that pretty much everyone objectively agree on. It really takes excellent writing and acting to pull off what they did here and the whole thing was shot and scored beautifully as well.
this is why it’s nominated for 12 Oscars.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

Odd rant.

Sam Elliott Blasts ‘The Power of the Dog’ in Odd Rant: ‘Where’s the Western in This Western?’


“You wanna talk about that piece of s–t?”

That’s how veteran actor Sam Elliott responded when podcast host Marc Maron brought up the critically acclaimed Oscar contender “The Power of the Dog” during a recent appearance on Maron’s “WTF” podcast, kicking off a rant in which Elliott laid out how the film’s subversion of the Western genre and homosexual themes “rubbed me the wrong way,” as he put it.

“I didn’t like it anyway,” Elliott began. “I looked at it when I was down in Texas doing ‘1883,’ and what really brought it home to me the other day… there was a full-page ad in the LA Times and there was a [clip] and it talked about ‘the evisceration of the American myth,’ and I thought, ‘What the f—k? What the f—k?’ This is the guy that’s done Westerns forever. The evisceration of the American West, they look like, what are all those dancers in New York that wear bowties and not much else? Remember them from back in the day? That’s what all these f—kin’ cowboys in that movie looked like. They’re all runnin’ around in chaps and no shirts. There’s all these allusions to homosexuality throughout the f—kin’ movie.”

“Yeah, I think that’s what the movie’s about,” Maron responded pointedly.

The Netflix drama from filmmaker Jane Campion examines the American Western and masculinity through a different lens, with Benedict Cumberbatch playing a conflicted and closeted cowboy. Through his point of view, each fellow cowboy is a temptation, a fact that Maron noted is exactly why some of the characters are seen as sex objects.

Elliott continued airing his grievances, taking aim at New Zealand-born director Jane Campion for her portrayal of the American West and her decision to shoot the film in her native country.

“Jane Campion. She’s a brilliant director, by the way. I love her previous work. But what the f—k does this woman from down there, New Zealand, know about the American West?,” Elliott added. “And why in the f—k does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana and say, ‘This is the way it was?’ So that f—kin’ rubbed me the wrong way pal.”

The “Tombstone” actor brought his argument back to comparing the film to his own experience with cowboys. “And the myth is that they were these macho men out there with the cattle. I’d just come from f—kin’ Texas where I was hanging out with families, not men but families, big long extended multiple generation families that made their living and their lives were all about being cowboys. And boy when I f—kin saw that I thought, ‘What the f—k? Where are we in this world today?’”

Maron interjected, saying, “I don’t know that that’s the biggest issue at hand,” but Elliott pushed back saying, “For me it was the only issue, because there was so much of it.”

The argument petered out with Elliott asking, “Where’s the Western in this Western?” as he seems to have missed the point that Campion’s film is a subversion of Western tropes. “I took it f—kin’ personal, pal,” Elliott concluded with a chuckle.

You can listen to the full conversation here. “The Power of the Dog” is currently streaming on Netflix and is nominated for 12 Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director.
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

This is an odd thing to say. Sam Elliott doesn't understand the movie business? I guess he should stick to movies he only has life-experiences.

“Jane Campion. She’s a brilliant director, by the way. I love her previous work. But what the f—k does this woman from down there, New Zealand, know about the American West?,” Elliott added. “And why in the f—k does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana and say, ‘This is the way it was?’ So that f—kin’ rubbed me the wrong way pal.”
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Re: The Power of the Dog (2021, Campion) [Netflix] -- SPOILERS

Sounds like Elliot is taking the Western genre a little too personally. Unless it fits into his idea of how a Western should look and what a Western should be, he doesn’t care for it. I won’t go so far as to call him a homophobe but it was odd that he took exception to the manliness of what a cowboy should be. I wonder what his thoughts are on Brokeback Mountain?

I’m not even sure I’d label The Power of the Dog as a “Western” anyway.
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This is an odd thing to say. Sam Elliott doesn't understand the movie business? I guess he should stick to movies he only has life-experiences.
“Jane Campion. She’s a brilliant director, by the way. I love her previous work. But what the f—k does this woman from down there, New Zealand, know about the American West?,” Elliott added. “And why in the f—k does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana and say, ‘This is the way it was?’ So that f—kin’ rubbed me the wrong way pal.”
And yet some of the greatest westerns of all time were made by Italians in Italy… but what do they know…
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And yet some of the greatest westerns of all time were made by Italians in Italy… but what do they know…
Exactly. I wonder what he thinks about Sci-fi movies? Kubrick shouldn't have made 2001?
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Sounds like Elliot is taking the Western genre a little too personally. Unless it fits into his idea of how a Western should look and what a Western should be, he doesn’t care for it. I won’t go so far as to call him a homophobe but it was odd that he took exception to the manliness of what a cowboy should be. I wonder what his thoughts are on Brokeback Mountain?

I’m not even sure I’d label The Power of the Dog as a “Western” anyway.
Shit. If anyone else said that stuff, they’d be labeled a homophobe.

He sounds pissed that were was a gay cowboy at the center of the film.
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Shit. If anyone else said that stuff, they’d be labeled a homophobe.

He sounds pissed that were was a gay cowboy at the center of the film.
Yeah, I wasn’t trying to give him a free pass or anything. I was just reluctant to throw homophobe out there because I couldn’t quite grasp what he was complaining about.
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Shit. If anyone else said that stuff, they’d be labeled a homophobe.

He sounds pissed that were was a gay cowboy at the center of the film.
Not just a homophobe but misogynistic. "I'm a big fan of her movies, but what does that woman know about being a cowboy, and she didn't even shoot the film in Montana." Tons of shade thrown Campion's way.

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