Dr. DVD

Just posting this for the hilarious thumbnail image, and the conversation is pretty entertaining as well.

The Spectre

No, it's not hilarious and no, the conversation is not entertaining. This is exactly the shitty corner of the internet that dedicates itself to monetize hate in the comic book world. These assholes are shitting on a film that hasn't come out because Brie Larson stars in it. I mean, his one of his other videos is Barbie Spoiler Review - It's Man Hating Trash. This shit shouldn't even be shared here to be honest. These assholes can't stand that something isn't made for them.

Runaway

I agree with you, but I'm pretty sure the movie will be shitty, based on my impression most of the movies after Endgame are shitty, but that's not Brie Larson's fault, that's Kevin Feige's fault and I'm sure he's a man.

Spiderbite

Quit fucking with the woman hating narrative!

The Spectre

People seem to forget that Iron Man 2, Thor 2, the Incredible Hulk and even the first Captain America film were not as popular as the rest of the MCU went on to be. The first three had mixed reviews from viewers and critics alike. Even Spider-Man Homecoming and Civil War weren’t as well received as other MCU films. The expectations have been so high after Infinity War and Endgame that people just think every MCU film after those are going to be as big or successful as the finale of the first three phases. The MCU is just rebuilding, with even more unknown characters than before. Some of the films have been good, some other haven’t. People just need to enjoy the ride and stop bitching about box office success. Similar to the whole “Disney fucked up Lucasfilm” and “Disney went woke so now is going broke”, many people have now held on the stupid believe that the MCU sucks. It’s the new hip thing to say. Like I’ve said before, before the MCU, almost every comic book superhero film sucked. The idea of having multiple superheroes from different franchises in one film was seen as ludicrous. We went from a porn looking Doctor Strange to a shitty Captain America film to many mediocre Hulk films to a Punisher film where he couldn’t weat the Skull symbol to another shitty Cap film to a FF film so bad that it never got released. People just need to see where things were at and look at how things our going now. Is it all good and perfect? No. Could some of it improve? Yes. Is it hundreds of time better than what we had seen 15-20-25-30-40 years ago? Of course it is. Just enjoy the ride.

Hokeyboy

This is Level 99 Historical Revisionism. Reminds me of when the crappy Star Wars prequels came out and the apologists insisted that "THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY GOT CRAPPY REVIEWS TOO!!!" umm no they didn't.

You can argue some of your valid points without engaging in intellectual gaslighting. Otherwise you're kind of defeating yourself.

The Spectre

How is it? Iron Man 2 got 71% on RT and stands at 6.9 on IMDB. Thor 2 got 66% on RT and 6.8 on IMDB. Incredible Hulk got 67 on RT and 6.6 on IMDB. Even back then, the 3 were considered some of the weakest MCU films due to how they were rushed and had production issues. Civil War and Homecoming got great reviews but there was some grumblings even then that both were not as good as the reviews make them to be.

And the reality was that before the MCU hit, a lot of the previous superhero films sucked, to the point that just when the first Iron Man was going to hit theaters people were already talking about superhero film fatigue. For every X-Men 1 and X2, there was Last Stand, Daredevil, Elektra, both FF films with Jessica Alba, and Wolverine Origins. All of those had bad reviews and were not well received by audiences. At Sony it was a disaster after the first 2 Spider-Man films. Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider 1 and 2 had horrible reviews and bad audience reception and then after a decent Amazing Spider-Man, we got a sequel that completely sucked. Lionsgate couldn't get out of the gate with both Punisher films. There was also the straight to DVD Man-Thing and the Shield film with David Hasselhoff. After a great Blade and Blade 2, New Line threw crap at the wall with Blade Trinity. Universal screwed the pooch with the And Lee Hulk. Mathematically, the were more failures with Marvel properties than successes until the MCU hit and the road to the Avengers wasn't an easy one. Even then, after the first Avengers, we got the lukewarm received Age of Ultron, which was the catalyst for the shakeup at Marvel where Whedon, Jeph Loeb and Perlmutter were removed from power and Feige was given full control of the film and TV shows, where the abomination known as the Inhumans had failed too along with Cloak and Dagger, The Runaways and even the New Warriors pilot that wasn't picked up. SHIELD survived but it was completely separated from the rest of the MCU.

Like I've said, there's a lot of new characters being brought in the mix. Most of them are not even C-listers, but they have always been interesting properties. A lot of these films are just popcorn entertainment, nothing more nothing less, but to expect every Marvel film post Endgame to be as good or as big as that one was, is impossible. So far I've enjoyed most of the Marvel films released during Phase 4. Some of them are forgettable like Black Widow and Ant-Man 3. Others didn't live to the potential like Eternals. I disliked Ragnarok because it ruin and rushed a beautiful story of Jane Foster becoming Thor. Honestly, I feel that one was the worst Marvel film of the whole MCU. The rest have been from decent to really good, including No Way Home, Doctor Strange 2, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3. The TV shows have been entertaining. Wandavision, Moon Knight, She-Hulk and Hawkeye have been fantastic. Loki was and up and down ride but entertaining. Even though a little formulaic, Ms Marvel was fun. Secret Invasion has been intriguing. Let's enjoy the ride and see where it leads.

Artman

But the standard shouldn't be to judge this film alongside the worst rated films in entirely different franchises, compared to those you're right it may be very favorable. (I would hope so!) That you're doing that almost seems like an admittance that this looks like a poor MCU film...doesn't it?

Didn't mean to throw a wet blanket on the entire thing - I hope the film is good and fun - but that doesn't change how horrible the marketing has been so far. Look at that poster - can you find a worse MCU poster?

And I agree with your last point, we need more female superhero roles - and we should demand quality scripts and promotion for them. (and this appears to be falling short imo, which is why I'm critical)

Runaway

I didn't speak of success or acclaim by critics. Infinity War and Endgame are not the standard I'm setting. It's just a turning point in the MCU, especially if I look at my enjoyment of the ride. Not every movie before Endgame was great either, but for my taste, they never had three or four duds in a row. There have been 10 movies after Endgame No Way Home and Guardians Vol. 3 were the only ones I really liked, most were mediocre at best and Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever and Quantumania were shitty, the shows started of good and it went down from there. I do agree those movies have better productions values than The Punisher with Dolph Lundgren, but that's not the standard either.

fujishig

I wonder what the effects of introducing two of the three characters in Disney+ series will be (I know Monica Rambeau was technically in the first Captain Marvel but cmon ). Will they devote some time to catching the viewer back up or just drop them in? I know most of us don't care but I'm always told there are casual viewers that need their hands held.

Runaway

Plastic Heart had her first appearence in Wakanda Forever and they didn't introduce her very good, she just had her Power Rangers suit ready to go. So my guess is, they might mention their orgins in one or two sentences and that's it.

fujishig

And that was probably the weakest part of the movie, shoehorning her in like that. But I agree that's probably what's going to happen.

Runaway

The sad thing is, they did do better in the past. Black Widow was introduced in Iron Man 2 and in The Avengers she was a full member, without her own movie or much of a back story, but she fit into the story of the movie and Captain America: The Winter Soldier wouldn't be as good without her, still no own movie at that point.
The Marvels has the chance to be funny and I hope they focus on that an dial down the stakes.

fujishig

Well, I mean they did do better here too, Ms. Marvel got a whole series to flesh out her backstory and Photon kind of did too. For Black Widow and Hawkeye we barely saw them they were more glorified cameos.

Runaway

I was referring to Iron Heart. Anyway I don't think they will get a big re-introduction and it probably won't be that important if the audience watched WandaVision or Ms. Marvel to follow the story.
I watched Love and Thunder with a friend of mine who hadn't watched Endgame (don't ask me why) and he laughed at fat Thor, without asking why he became fat. It just worked for him.

DJariya

There is a rumor online that this is only 93 minutes without credits. No credible sources is citing it, so I won’t post a link.

dex14

If true… refreshing.

rocket1312

Refreshing like a rock star's backwash

dex14

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/t...ad-1235727526/

IBJoel

DaCosta is pretty interesting. Definitely a Young Millennial and reminds me of a few coworkers I've had, based on her appearances on the Blank Check podcast. She's likely going to turn a lot of people off by either compromising her vision to fit the MCU (she claims they were hand's off, but I don't buy it) or by doing her own thing. I like her though, minus her opinion on The Fog

DJariya

Deleted. Click bait headline that was wrong.

Meathead

IGN doesn't even know. Their website says the same headline and quoting AMC but says 105 minutes or less. If you follow the link in that post it leads to IGN's 105 minute post. 112 minutes references Incredible Hulk and Thor: The Dark World.

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-mar...est-movie-ever

If you then follow the link to AMC's page... it does not list any runtime yet.

https://www.amctheatres.com/movies/the-marvels-56464

DJariya

Sorry guess I fell for another of their click bait headlines.

dex14

Tickets are on sale now.

RocShemp

For what it's worth, Rotten Tomatoes lists it as 1h 45m.