dex14

https://deadline.com/2021/03/star-tr...nt-1234706899/

TGM

I hope it stars Michael Burnham!


(said nobody ever)

Mike86

milo bloom

I feel like these writers could do something much more interesting with Trek if freed from the confines of the Discovery crew. The second season with Pike kinda proves that point.

tanman

Untitled Star Trek film
....from Discovery writer

DVD Josh

I would be all in if it was set in the Discovery universe but the Pike crew. Anson was boss in the role, and so was Romjin as Numero Uno. Spock was cool too. Fine to have some cameos from Saru and Burnham (dear god no Tilly) but I want to see Pike kicking ass across the universe.

I watched Beyond recently and honestly see no reason to continue with that crew.

milo bloom

You know they're making a Pike series with Anson Mount, right? They're getting their own show.

And I can't understand the hate for Beyond - they finally broke ground into a new story idea with the younger crew and gave us a rousing adventure. We should have had 5-6 films with that cast by now.

Runaway

I like the three "new" movies a lot and I was exicted by the idea of the 2 Kirks in a fourth installment.

Although it's not the reason why, I'm glad they didn't continue the series after Anton Yelchin's death.

Star Trek has to take a step into the future. I get why the restarted the movie franchise with the most famous characters, but I don't get why the didn't continue the tv series after TNG/DS9/VOY. Jump ahead in the story like they did with TNG. Discovery is the best looking Star Trek show to date, but it starts even befor TOS? The technolgy is even more advanced than in Voyager or the last TNG movies.
Picard isn't a great show either, but at least it took the franchise into the future.

So please take the movie into the future, too. You shouldn't look more futuristic than Star Trek: Nemesis if you're in the past.

Josh-da-man

1. They blew up the Enterprise at the beginning of the movie.
2. Another antagonist with a vendetta against Starfleet. Third in a row...
3. It was boring and hard to follow.

This, however, I agree with.

I think the Kelvinverse was huge wasted opportunity, where they could have done things that weren't possible in the Prime Universe.

Like, say, what if, after Khan went to Qonos in Into Darkness, he ended up as the Klingon leader, and set the whole Klingon Empire against the Federation? A big budget remake of "The Doomsday Machine?" Kirk, Spock, and crew vs. the Borg? A crossover between the TOS and TNG crews, which would then be used to spin off a Kelvinverse TNG movie series.

milo bloom

I think dipping into the ENT era for that one character helped make a difference. Shows that Starfleet makes mistakes.


Yeah, agreed, a lot of missed opportunities. Instead of remaking Wrath of Khan (which relied on both the real and fictional passage of time since Kirk met Khan, and we didn't see in the new movies), instead they should have remade Space Seed. That would have been something interesting to see with a feature film budget.

And you've read the theory about the planet-killer from The Doomsday Machine being theorized as an anti-Borg machine, right? That's a crossover I'd love to see on the big screen.

Mike86

Quote:

Paramount Studios Announces New Star Trek Movie Release Date

https://www.startrek.com/news/paramo...hKKpTm0o6lCC18

Not sure if this new film is the one this thread is referring to or another one. Either way looks like we’re supposed to get something new on June 9th, 2023.

milo bloom

Finally. I can't understand why Paramount sleeps on this franchise.

Mike86

Star Trek has long seemed to be the red headed stepchild of Paramount. It’s no surprise to me.

Eric F

I miss the Trek of old where they actually had dialogue rather than blowing shit up all the time.

PatD

Seconded.

We will never see anything warm, tender and human like Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home as a Trek movie again. It's all The Fast and the Furious in Space. Hard pass.

Runaway

I hope they try something new and in the future. No old characters, no Enterprise.

Josh-da-man

No audience.

As we have seen, the Star Trek brand isn't a guarantee for success. Launching a new franchise under the Star Trek banner at a nine-figure budget film is a huge risk.

It can be done, but it's a huge gamble that mainstream moviegoers will show up for something they aren't familiar with. It's why every single movie has been centered on the Enterprise and a crew of familiar names.

They also sort of walk a tightrope where a Star Trek needs to be a big special effects-driven action movie, but still be Star Trekkish enough to satisfy the Star Trek fans. (Again, to pull in the casual fans and mainstream viewers.)

Mike86

As much as I don’t necessarily want to see it I can totally envision an alternate timeline version of TNG at some point in the future. It would make some sense and would be easier to market than a fresh crew.

Hokeyboy

Honestly, I don't think we need feature films for Star Trek in this day and age. The only one that really massively connected with all audiences was Star Trek IV, released at Christmastime 1986 and became the family movie of the season. Not to say they didn't have better movies ("Wrath of Khan") or blockbuster hits ("Trek 2009"), but if Paramount's gonna invest in this franchise, they want something that will play to the Disney/Marvel crowd. Or their wallets.

I'd rather they continue what they're doing with their streaming shows. I was mixed on Picard but Discovery and Lower Decks are quality. I'd like to see them push the franchise forward. No more prequels, remakes, early days, etc.

Josh-da-man

I think that Paramount really screwed the pooch with the Kelvinverse.

They should have approached this as an alternate universe, much like Marvel's Ultimate Universe, where they updated the classic characters for a new audience. Big, loud special effects movies full of action and excitement.

But Into Darkness and Beyond were such bland, shitty stories that they killed the franchise. They should have looked at this like, hey, we have big budgets and 21st century special effects technology, let's do some crazy shit we couldn't have done with the old crew. Have the Klingons find the Botany Bay, Khan fights his way to leadership of the Klingons, and starts a war with Earth. Have Kirk and Spock face off against the Borg. Update The Doomsday Machine into some kind of crazy Lovecraftian/Unicron type of monstrosity instead of just a big foil cone. Do things that couldn't be done thirty or forty years ago.

And, the kicker, do a Kelvinverse crossover with the full TOS and TNG crews in their primes, which would then lead into a TNG series of films doing cool stuff like an ultimate Q continuum storyline (a war between the Q and other god-like beings like Trelane, the Organians, the Travelers, the Metrons?), a TNG "Mirror" movie, a super-evolved Borg returning after their defeat by Kirk (with 7 of 9?), a Dominion arc (and DS9 appearance/spin-off?) etc.

The tv series/streaming series would continue to explore and expand the "Prime" universe, while the Kelvinverse was the exclusive domain of the movie theaters.

PatD

The more they try to make Trek mainstream, the more I love Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Runaway

They just could go back to making cheaper movies though. Don't spent 150 million on a Star Trek movie. We have seen two attemps in cinemas. The first one was a continuation of a TV series which is a hard sell for the general audience especially if the movies themselves are telling an ongoing story like most of the TOS movies. The second attempt was the reemagination of TOS with a much higher budget. So why not trying a new Star Trek, new for fans and the general audience as well, but on a reasonable budget.

TV shows like Star Trek: Discovery or Lost in Space look awesome, better than a lot of big budget movies and I doubt that an episode costs 50 million. The although some extra funds for better screenwriting wouldn't have hurt.

PatD

This. The Motion Picture was the most expensive but not the most well received (though I've grown to adore it). Wrath of Khan was given a comparatively TV movie-level budget (compared to TMP) and it's the one that is the most remembered even 40 years later. Yeah, yeah, that was nearly four decades ago, but I think the principle still applies. But giving a Trek movie an Avengers: Endgame level budget and expecting a box office return on par with A:E, is utterly idiotic. Trek needs a new TWOK that isn't simply a mindless rip-off of TWOK. Make Trek THOUGHTFUL, MEANINGFUL and FUN and they might have something again.

milo bloom

But isn’t it still an issue that Trek movies don’t do well outside of North America? And modern movie production requires funding from Asian countries and they’re not as likely to invest in something like this.

The TOS movies did well enough because the original cast had so much cultural karma built up.

The Abrams films did okay just because they were done as big action films.

I just don’t think Trek should bother with movies until they get another cast that builds up a cache of goodwill with the fans and even then they shouldn’t dump a lot of money into it.

PatD

Yeah, you're right. However the TNG cast had a mondo public goodwill after their seven season run and it didn't help them in their last two movies. But then the TNG movies just needed a consistent vision of where they were going and better writing.