Giantrobo

Or at least Teen Superhero shows.

Neil M.

Josh-da-man

And we know they're nerds because they're wearing glasses!

I suspect it's a trope that appeals to Hollywood types; the idea that certain people are inherently unworthy of greatness. Despite its liberal pretensions, the entertainment industry is a very hierarchical system, and they would seem to see people who are ugly or uncool or poor or unconnected or diffident as being, at best, pretenders, and, at worst, a threat.

(BTW, who is the woman in green? I don't think I remember that movie, or never saw it.)

clckworang

The woman in green looks like Uma Thurman in Batman & Robin.

dex14

Uma Thurman / Poison Ivy

GoldenJCJ

This wasn’t lost on me when I watched WW84. In particular, I kept thinking of Jamie Foxx as Electro the whole time.

It’s more than the glasses, these are all a cartoon caricature versions of what a “nerd” is. It’s so overly stereotypical that it fails to be anywhere near relatable to anyone.

And what’s worse, all of the depictions are the She’s All That version of a “nerd”. It’s the laziest form of character development I can think of.

GoldenJCJ

One thing that I haven’t seen discussed about this movie yet was how fast civilization started to crumble. I get how things would get really bad once Lord went on TV and started granting everyone’s wishes but in the movie we see Lord, after having only granted a few wishes, mostly from oil tycoons, and all of a sudden there was chaos on the streets of DC and fires burning in the distance.

It seemed like things went to shit pretty quickly over some financial transactions of a few rich people that wouldn’t immediately impact common people.

Mike86

Nitpicking a bit, but does Selina really fit that trope? She was nerdy but didn’t necessarily have an attachment to Batman before becoming Catwoman. She did to Bruce afterwards, but she continued to like him, and only kind of turned on him at the very end when he calls her out for being crazy and trying to talk her into walking away to a happy ending.

Agreed though that the nerd trope is overused in superhero movies in general. Didn’t really realize how many there actually are until seeing them all laid out like that.

fujishig

The chaos in the streets wasn't just directly caused by the wishes he was granting (people with porsches all over, that guy with the farm in the middle of the city, and I'm sure other things). Indirectly, the wall in Egypt and the sovereignty of a new nation in Egypt heightened tensions between the US and the Soviets and the sudden change in possession of the majority of the world's oil created a run on gas, and presumably mass instability in the stock market.

That seems more realistic to me than everyone shrugging their shoulders after seeing nuclear missiles launch and people coming back from the dead and celebrating Christmas like nothing ever happened (did Max even get arrested? What happened to Cheetah?)

In the 80s, if a wall suddenly sprung up in Egypt, tensions in the Cold War rose to a breaking point, the stock market fell and someone akin to Donald Trump suddenly conned his way into owning the majority of the world's oil, well I think people would panic a little.

GoldenJCJ

^ I’d have to watch it again but I thought we got our first shot of civilization burning right after the Egypt part. I can understand a world of heightened tension after a wall mysteriously appeared but I’m not sure it would immediately cause chaos in the streets 5,000 miles away.

I guess a few dudes creating absolute anarchy by driving Porches up and down the streets is as plausible as anything else in this movie.

I’m probably just being nitpicky at this point.

Dr. DVD

See, I'm not ready to give up on Rogue Squadron. Rian Johnson, IMO, has made one "shitty" movie and it was TLJ. I have enjoyed his work on Breaking Bad and really liked Knives Out. I also think that if anything is going to ruin Star Wars it's constant interference from suits at Disney and oversaturating the market.

fujishig

Yeah, right after Egypt I think we get some kind of newscast saying that the Soviets are supporting the new nation and the US is supporting Egypt, then it mentions Max owning most of the oil and runs on gas. Then a little later we see chaos on the street and the old lady says there are porsches running up and down the street and the old man mentions he can't leave because of his cows or whatever.

windom

I saw someone mention that Steve Trevor's body provider will soon be getting a visit from the secret service after his activities in the White House.

Why So Blu?

Exactly. Like, I wouldn't fuck Michelle Pfiefer/Kristin Wiig/Uma Thurman looking all frumpy even though they have killer bodies underneath bad clothing, hair, glasses.

Why So Blu?

I think Brothers Bloom is a shittier movie than TLJ.

clckworang

It's so easy to go back to that plot point because it's so needlessly problematic. I kept wondering about his job, but it never really occurred to me about Secret Service. That's true, though.

OK, I hate to dredge up the rape argument again. It was something that in no way occurred to me while watching, though I did find it really creepy, and I thought people were reaching calling it rape. But what if Diana, used to being a strong Amazon, likes to exert more control in the bedroom. Diana pegs Steve. For those who believe the current scenario in the movie isn't rape, would you also say this extends to this other scenario? As long as Steve is the one in control of the body, it's no big deal and not a violation? I can't believe that this is even a conversation to be had about a Wonder Woman movie.

windom

What if Diana got a pregnant from that dude. Could she sue him for child support? Did they have that level of DNA testing back then? I guess she'd have to wait a few years for the Maury Povich show. Oh, the possibilities...

ddrknghtrtns

You know all guys aren't going to renounce their big cock wish, even if the world is literally coming to an end.

james2025a

Watched this last night in not tbe best conditions (friends house with constant chatter). The first thing i noticed is that on his 4K TV (i have not upgraded to one yet) the effects work looked incredibly bad. I mean Sy Fy Channel bad. I was shocked. Afterwards i caught 5 mins of Black Panther and the effects in the end fight there also looked a bit shoddy. I think this is an inherent issue with 4K in that the image is so clear that flaws are all the more noticable. WW84 effects were just awful from start to end.

The story was dreadful and i am amazed that cameras ever started rolling with this script in place. I am not going to go indepth with story issues as they have already been noted and discussed, but leveraging things in like the return of Steve, the invisible Jet and flying were handled all so badly that it was childlike in its execution.

The only pluses i found were that the 4 main leads did decent jobs with what they were handed. With a better story/script they could have produced a decent follow up, but this was a disaster. It actually felt like a movie that was made in 1984 with some clunky ideas and it felt like a weird mash up of Superman II and Supergirl the Movie. The whole wackiness of a magical object and cheesey characters felt directly lifted from Supergirl.

Any reviews giving this more than 3/10 clearly show they were bought off.

fujishig

One thing I do not fault the DC movies for: their casting has been terrific, at least from what we've seen (we didn't really get to see all that much of Ray Fisher or Ezra Miller but they seemed fine), even if the movies haven't been exactly to my tastes. I know many people rag on Gadot's acting ability but I think she does fine and she really, really fits the part.

edited to add: thinking about it more, I should say their casting of heroes is spot on. Their villains (Thewlis, Leto, Eisenberg, really ugly CGI of Steppenwolf) have been almost the complete opposite. I would include Max Lord here though I don't think it's necessarily Pedro's fault.

Hokeyboy

Pascal doesn't get a pass. He was terrible. Grating and over-the-top in the worst ways imaginable.

james2025a

Rian Johnson for me has made one good movie with Looper, everything else has been crap. People raved about Knives Out and i found it horrible. I am a big fan of murder mysteries, but this one was awful self indulgent clap trap.

As for TV episodes i dont even consider them. Unless they are premiere episodes or series finales they tend to get looked over as part of a larger season. You have your good episodes and your bad. It tends to be more expected. Plus TV shows have a stride to them, a movie is a singular chance to impress. Fuck it up and there isnt a second chance to impress broadcast a week later.

Johnson and Jenkins are both pretty shitty in my book as director and/or writer. After 20 years each in the business i would expect better from their resumes to be given the defence they are getting from people.

devilshalo

devilshalo

"It says here you.. wished for a big cock?"

Abob Teff

This is why the return of Steve in this manner IF the theme is taking shortcuts ... There is no shortcut for bringing back your dead lover, as there is no long, or normal, way of doing that. IF the idea was for her to find love again, then bringing him back could be a shortcut AND explain the need for the booty-double. Again, feels like something that was there and then lost in a multitude of re-writes.