Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > Movie Talk
Reload this Page >

Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Movie Talk A Discussion area for everything movie related including films In The Theaters
View Poll Results: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
2.30%
2.30%
5.75%
13.79%
17.24%
21.84%
21.84%
6.90%
4.60%
2.30%
1.15%
What are you high?
0
0%
Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll

Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Old 12-29-20, 11:24 AM
  #276  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Farmington Hills, MI
Posts: 2,539
Likes: 0
Received 36 Likes on 26 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Paul_SD View Post
After reflecting on it a few more days, what Jenkins did here was actually make a Wonder Woman movie that would have been made in the 1980's.

That's the reason for the '80's push in the marketing- the whole movie is like something out of that decade- from the bright gaudy visual look of the opening mall sequence though the overused topes (nerd emulates hero and goes bad), passing by the empty headed ignorance of the deeper ethical and philosophical conflicts the story opens up, to a climax that exalts in unearned sentimentality (like the ending with Max and son, and which is predicated on billions of people choosing altruism over self-interest at the drop of a hat)- it's right up to the level of most of that decade's actual product.

I wasn't a kid for most of the decade. I was an older teen and young adult, which may be why I don't have the rosy associations that most others have for that era. Living through it, I thought so much of it was infantilized shit. This movie plays like a love letter not to that era, but directly from it.
If that's the case, this movie is even worse than I thought. I was going to raise my rating a little because I felt that there were elements that I liked. I can't stand Snyder's films and those really belong where I rated this one.

They should have had fun with the 80s setting. The problem with the nerd wanting to become something greater trope is that it's been overused in superhero films, not just 80s films. Batman Returns and Batman forever spring to mind. I think the 80s setting was mainly used to create a villain (wannabe oil tycoon) and a physical threat (Cold War nuclear annihilation). Like others have said, they really didn't even embrace the 80s in the film.
Old 12-29-20, 01:53 PM
  #277  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Somewhere in the boonies, MA
Posts: 9,511
Received 280 Likes on 222 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Paul_SD View Post
After reflecting on it a few more days, what Jenkins did here was actually make a Wonder Woman movie that would have been made in the 1980's.

That's the reason for the '80's push in the marketing- the whole movie is like something out of that decade- from the bright gaudy visual look of the opening mall sequence though the overused topes (nerd emulates hero and goes bad), passing by the empty headed ignorance of the deeper ethical and philosophical conflicts the story opens up, to a climax that exalts in unearned sentimentality (like the ending with Max and son, and which is predicated on billions of people choosing altruism over self-interest at the drop of a hat)- it's right up to the level of most of that decade's actual product.

I wasn't a kid for most of the decade. I was an older teen and young adult, which may be why I don't have the rosy associations that most others have for that era. Living through it, I thought so much of it was infantilized shit. This movie plays like a love letter not to that era, but directly from it.
We're about the same age, the fascination with that decade kind of dumbfounds me. They probably went back to the 80's because of the popularity of Stranger Things- but the movie could have taken place in any time period after Steve's death. On top of that, they didn't really use many pop culture references to the 80's at all.

Movie was a disappointment.
Old 12-29-20, 02:10 PM
  #278  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 38,032
Received 1,043 Likes on 810 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by IBJoel View Post
Essentially, the wishing works on equivalent exchange. Diana wishes for Steve, so she loses her powers. Barbara wishes to be like Diana, so she loses her humanity. The crystal takes something from you when it grants your wish. Once Lord BECOMES the crystal, he is able to dictate what he takes from the person wishing. However, him granting all these wishes is taking a toll on his body (alternatively, his original wish to take the crystal's powers causes him to lose his health). He wasn't dying from not granting wishes, he was dying from granting too many.
The problem is he became obsessed with granting people's wishes. Like I understood why he went and got the wish from the oil guy and then went on to the other oil guys. But then he was like "I need to grant all the wishes from everyone" for no reason. At one point he's even like "I'm not granting them fast enough." If the wishes were causing him to lose his health then, I dunno, stop granting so many wishes, especially for stuff like getting rid of traffic. Then you have the ultimate shortcut of him going "hey, you wish for this, right, just say yes" and then taking whatever he wants.

Maybe the crystal's power was making him want to grant all the wishes but this certainly wasn't spelled out. Between that, his son getting a wish that went nowhere, Cheetah somehow getting two wishes, Cheetah deciding that her wish was to become an apex predator animal like person, etc. it really needed some fleshing out. Also what the heck did the god behind it get out of it? They didn't explore that at all.

That's before thinking too deeply about it and having people wish for their dead relatives back, or something like a cure for AIDs... without seeing a drawback in person they're going to give that up? All the wishes we saw that were revoked were selfish or self serving.
Old 12-29-20, 02:46 PM
  #279  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 4,774
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by DJariya View Post
Again, random handsome dude did not exist when Steve inhabited his body.

When Sam jumped into the body of that San Francisco reporter in the Quantum Leap episode of Temptation Eyes and had sex Tamlyn Tomita, are you actually insinuating he also committed a crime as well when they made love?

This argument is getting ridiculous.

The intent was humorous. It’s a reach to even use that word to associate it with that. And yeah it’s an insult to people who were actually victims of the actual crime.
Not to go down a tangent, but Quantum Leap is a poor example here. Sam actually stayed in his body during each leap. He just appeared like the other person to the surrounding people. The actual person he swapped places with was held in some sort of stasis in the present. I seem to recall Al actually would speak to the actual person on occasion.
Old 12-29-20, 03:15 PM
  #280  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 38,032
Received 1,043 Likes on 810 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Nick Danger View Post
You guys got me curious. I get the feeling that rape by deception is a new idea, something that's happened during my lifetime. I've found that the earliest ruling that talks about rape as a violation of a woman's right to choose with whom she is intimate was in 1977.

The ideas were still being worked out in the 1980s. The idea that having sex while possessed is rape seems to be anachronistic in 1984. The possession itself, however, would have still have been a deep violation. Good guys shouldn't do that.

I'm getting my information about the history of rape law from this paper.

ETA: In 1984 a man's conviction of rape was overturned because California had no law against fraudulently inducing someone into sexual intercourse. California changed its law in 1986. Wikipedia.
We've talked about it in other threads but just look at basically any 80s raunchy comedy and you'll find some form of what we would consider rape today, mainly done for laughs. That kind of tells you how times have changed even from back then (and this movie goes out of its way to tell you how harassment has changed)
Old 12-29-20, 03:25 PM
  #281  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 16,291
Received 401 Likes on 291 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
We've talked about it in other threads but just look at basically any 80s raunchy comedy and you'll find some form of what we would consider rape today, mainly done for laughs. That kind of tells you how times have changed even from back then (and this movie goes out of its way to tell you how harassment has changed)
"Fuck her! Fuck her brains out! You know she wants it."


Yeah....
Old 12-29-20, 03:37 PM
  #282  
RIP
 
EddieMoney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Paradise, USA
Posts: 9,842
Received 36 Likes on 27 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Came for WW84 reviews, ended up in a Tumblr thread.
The following 2 users liked this post by EddieMoney:
Brack (12-29-20), The Antipodean (12-29-20)
Old 12-29-20, 04:22 PM
  #283  
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 2,040
Received 484 Likes on 306 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
The problem is he became obsessed with granting people's wishes. Like I understood why he went and got the wish from the oil guy and then went on to the other oil guys. But then he was like "I need to grant all the wishes from everyone" for no reason. At one point he's even like "I'm not granting them fast enough." If the wishes were causing him to lose his health then, I dunno, stop granting so many wishes, especially for stuff like getting rid of traffic. Then you have the ultimate shortcut of him going "hey, you wish for this, right, just say yes" and then taking whatever he wants.

Maybe the crystal's power was making him want to grant all the wishes but this certainly wasn't spelled out. Between that, his son getting a wish that went nowhere, Cheetah somehow getting two wishes, Cheetah deciding that her wish was to become an apex predator animal like person, etc. it really needed some fleshing out. Also what the heck did the god behind it get out of it? They didn't explore that at all.

That's before thinking too deeply about it and having people wish for their dead relatives back, or something like a cure for AIDs... without seeing a drawback in person they're going to give that up? All the wishes we saw that were revoked were selfish or self serving.
The theme of the movie is the failure of the excess of the 1980s (and I would argue specifically American consumerism/personal gain by any cost that persists to today), so of course we are going to see selfish wishes, that's what the movie is about. I also felt that the addictive nature of the powers was quite evident and was an allegory for rampant cocaine usage during the decade. Everything everyone wanted was "more more more" and it's never enough.

Cheetah got two wishes because one was granted by the crystal and was was granted by Lord.

"apex predator" makes perfect sense, because she was sheepish at the beginning and furthers the theme of her losing more and more humanity. I see this a LOT in bodybuilders on Instagram and how their political views become essentially Social Darwinism. "I need to be bigger and stronger and anyone who isn't like me is weak and pathetic".

I think the film's strongest, most well-articulated point is its theme.
Old 12-29-20, 04:54 PM
  #284  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Giantrobo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Gateway Cities/Harbor Region
Posts: 60,675
Received 810 Likes on 544 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Another theme was not taking shortcuts

The following users liked this post:
IBJoel (12-29-20)
Old 12-29-20, 04:55 PM
  #285  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Giantrobo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Gateway Cities/Harbor Region
Posts: 60,675
Received 810 Likes on 544 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

One disturbing theme is Wonder Woman can in fact be Dickmatized.
The following users liked this post:
leacha (12-29-20)
Old 12-29-20, 04:55 PM
  #286  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Giantrobo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Gateway Cities/Harbor Region
Posts: 60,675
Received 810 Likes on 544 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

I watched the cameo again and she is still smokin' hot.
Old 12-29-20, 05:49 PM
  #287  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 38,032
Received 1,043 Likes on 810 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by IBJoel View Post
The theme of the movie is the failure of the excess of the 1980s (and I would argue specifically American consumerism/personal gain by any cost that persists to today), so of course we are going to see selfish wishes, that's what the movie is about. I also felt that the addictive nature of the powers was quite evident and was an allegory for rampant cocaine usage during the decade. Everything everyone wanted was "more more more" and it's never enough.

Cheetah got two wishes because one was granted by the crystal and was was granted by Lord.

"apex predator" makes perfect sense, because she was sheepish at the beginning and furthers the theme of her losing more and more humanity. I see this a LOT in bodybuilders on Instagram and how their political views become essentially Social Darwinism. "I need to be bigger and stronger and anyone who isn't like me is weak and pathetic".

I think the film's strongest, most well-articulated point is its theme.
I'm probably just super shallow but I didn't see a theme against consumerism or the excess of the 80s besides rallying against the cold war and the building up of nukes. Max is a con man who is obviously swindling people but I didn't see that as a message against consumerism (especially in a movie that shoehorned in golden winged armor presumably to sell more toys). It did feel like the message was every adult was a terrible person in the 80s unless they were a bum or were a soul from the 1930s, but I'm still not sure what to think about that.

Agreed about the drug/cocaine thing and Max being obsessed by wishes. Especially in the scene where the stone turns to dust and he becomes the stone.

The humanity thing I understand, but it still seemed like Barbara wanted to be the peak of humanity and noticed and adored by all more than she wanted to be a were-cheetah and an outcast (unless that's the monkeys paw of the wish). It did seem like some of Max's terms (when he was granting wishes and taking away from everyone) were giving stuff to Barbara so maybe it was less of a second wish and more getting stuff from other people, but maybe I misread that scene.

It also feels like she screwed up because if she had just kept the powers based on Diana, she presumably would have been immune to being electrocuted too (that was a terrible scene by the way... the viewer has to remember/infer that Diana is immune to electricity because of her relationship to Zeus, and adding in golden metal armor doesn't help in telling the story of why Cheetah is going to be electrocuted and not Diana)
Old 12-29-20, 06:12 PM
  #288  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Abob Teff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Not necessarily Formerly known as Solid Snake
Posts: 25,267
Received 579 Likes on 409 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by IBJoel View Post
...the wishes are the shortcuts...

Agreed that seeing Etta was really nice
That’s my point ... I imagine the story was initially written with the wishes being shortcuts for most of the characters (Barbara’s short cut to popularity and power, Max’s shortcut to wealth and power, Diana’s shortcut to love). The material was ripe, but they dropped the ball somewhere and never made the proper connections. Instead they went with “truth” as the moral story of the wishes, which just turned out cheesy in the end.

Abob’s Studio Exec Notes: emphasize the shortcut connection. Have a pseudo-romance between Barbara and Diana that builds their friendship and highlights their jealousies of one another. If you must keep Steve in the story, make him a source of friction between Barbara and Diana (Barbara is now threatened that Diana’s love is back). Allow Barbara and Diana to become partners in the detective part of the story, which will, again, build the bond between them. Barbara finds out Diana is WW, makes her wish then. When WW realizes Barbara got powers and how, WW breaks out the “you are taking shortcuts” card. Have them turn on one another at that point. Show more of Lord’s downfall, explain why he knows about the stone — all of his searching for oil was a cover for searching for the stone and it has brought him down. Maybe the stone is the god coming back, not just a creation of the god?

I guess my point is ... the movie took shortcuts to its detriment. I think there are shadows of all the things I suggested in the existing movie, as if they were there and then cut out.

Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
The problem is he became obsessed with granting people's wishes. Like I understood why he went and got the wish from the oil guy and then went on to the other oil guys. But then he was like "I need to grant all the wishes from everyone" for no reason. At one point he's even like "I'm not granting them fast enough." If the wishes were causing him to lose his health then, I dunno, stop granting so many wishes, especially for stuff like getting rid of traffic. Then you have the ultimate shortcut of him going "hey, you wish for this, right, just say yes" and then taking whatever he wants.
There was a dropped line during all the wish chaos when Lord said “And I will take your life force!” right before he started healing. It was taking a toll on him until he realized he could “recharge” by draining the people making the wishes. That is why he was trying to reach every person at one time. Again, hints of things that just are not connected well: the holding hands line with the televangelist, hints of him recharging after some wishes.

As for IBJoel’s theme of excess and greed in the 80s ... I agree it was ripe to use that theme and there are hints of it, but again they failed to connect the faintly doodled dots.
Old 12-29-20, 06:35 PM
  #289  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 10,321
Received 122 Likes on 85 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

This was tough to get through. (and I still skipped ahead a few times) I don't mind the change in tone, but I do mind things like editing, writing, acting, directing... all woefully under expectations here. It's a shame because there was such good will coming off of the first one, and they had time and resources for this film...and they just dropped the ball. Post JL WW3 would be of interest, but it'd better be damn good.
Old 12-29-20, 07:37 PM
  #290  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Posts: 22,916
Received 108 Likes on 85 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Neil M. View Post
If that's the case, this movie is even worse than I thought. I was going to raise my rating a little because I felt that there were elements that I liked. I can't stand Snyder's films and those really belong where I rated this one.

They should have had fun with the 80s setting. The problem with the nerd wanting to become something greater trope is that it's been overused in superhero films, not just 80s films. Batman Returns and Batman forever spring to mind. I think the 80s setting was mainly used to create a villain (wannabe oil tycoon) and a physical threat (Cold War nuclear annihilation). Like others have said, they really didn't even embrace the 80s in the film.

I agree about them not having fun. The trailer with "Blue Monday" blasting seemed to indicate they were going to completely embrace the decade and give us a bunch of fun action and a retro soundtrack , a kind of more family friendly Atomic Blonde. Instead we got one lesser known track by Frankie Goes to Hollywood and a bunch of 80s movie cliches, most of which one would find on a straight to video attempt at a superhero movie I might add.
The following users liked this post:
Why So Blu? (12-29-20)
Old 12-29-20, 10:02 PM
  #291  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 38,032
Received 1,043 Likes on 810 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
That’s my point ... I imagine the story was initially written with the wishes being shortcuts for most of the characters (Barbara’s short cut to popularity and power, Max’s shortcut to wealth and power, Diana’s shortcut to love). The material was ripe, but they dropped the ball somewhere and never made the proper connections. Instead they went with “truth” as the moral story of the wishes, which just turned out cheesy in the end.

Abob’s Studio Exec Notes: emphasize the shortcut connection. Have a pseudo-romance between Barbara and Diana that builds their friendship and highlights their jealousies of one another. If you must keep Steve in the story, make him a source of friction between Barbara and Diana (Barbara is now threatened that Diana’s love is back). Allow Barbara and Diana to become partners in the detective part of the story, which will, again, build the bond between them. Barbara finds out Diana is WW, makes her wish then. When WW realizes Barbara got powers and how, WW breaks out the “you are taking shortcuts” card. Have them turn on one another at that point. Show more of Lord’s downfall, explain why he knows about the stone — all of his searching for oil was a cover for searching for the stone and it has brought him down. Maybe the stone is the god coming back, not just a creation of the god?

I guess my point is ... the movie took shortcuts to its detriment. I think there are shadows of all the things I suggested in the existing movie, as if they were there and then cut out.



There was a dropped line during all the wish chaos when Lord said “And I will take your life force!” right before he started healing. It was taking a toll on him until he realized he could “recharge” by draining the people making the wishes. That is why he was trying to reach every person at one time. Again, hints of things that just are not connected well: the holding hands line with the televangelist, hints of him recharging after some wishes.

As for IBJoel’s theme of excess and greed in the 80s ... I agree it was ripe to use that theme and there are hints of it, but again they failed to connect the faintly doodled dots.
But Lord was obsessed with granting everyone's wishes earlier than that. He realized he could heal himself with people but even before that he was granting wishes left and right. You'd think he would do a few really important ones, then get a few chumps to grant wishes to and take their health, but nope he needed to grant all wishes at once.
Old 12-30-20, 10:00 AM
  #292  
Admin
 
VinVega's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Herding cats
Posts: 34,939
Received 345 Likes on 221 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Giantrobo View Post
One disturbing theme is Wonder Woman can in fact be Dickmatized.
It is her Kryptonite (her relationship with Steve). Every hero has a flaw and that is her's I believe. Maybe you want a different flaw for her?
Old 12-30-20, 10:08 AM
  #293  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,798
Received 44 Likes on 36 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

I don't really have much to add beyond what several other people have said. What a disappointment. I've been a huge fan of the character since I was a kid and had a crush on Lynda Carter. It's absolutely baffling to me that no one involved in this movie's creation took a step back and recognized all of its script issues and the fact that it was such a step down in quality from the first movie. People in this forum seem to have more easily put their finger on this movie's many shortcomings than the creative team that presumably got paid huge bucks to produce it. It's baffling.

I do have one question, though: is it possible at any point during this movie's pre-production that Chris Pine's involvement wasn't guaranteed? I can't help but wonder if "Steve in another man's body" was a concept born out of the idea that perhaps Pine wouldn't be involved, and that's why they went with that angle, essentially re-casting Trevor. Probably not, but I'm grasping at straws as to why they went with that baffling, unnecessary angle.

To me, that's the worst of the movie's many sins. Not only was it completely unnecessary and opened up a whole can of worms, but the fact that Diana so easily accepts that it's him (in a matter of seconds), and then their relationship proceeds as if she sees him (physically) as Trevor (even though she doesn't). Shallow as it may sound, a person's physical appearance DOES play a factor in a relationship. Sure, the guy Steve "possessed" was also good looking and physically similar in a lot of ways, but all of Diana's memories of him are connected to a man who looks like Pine, not some stranger. If my wife's brain was transplanted into another woman's body, it would take a certain period of time -- probably a long time -- for me to adjust and see her as my wife. Diana seems to immediately accept the physical transformation with little effort, and that just doesn't ring true to me.

Ugh, what a bafflingly stupid plot point.
The following 2 users liked this post by Mr. Flix:
[email protected] (12-30-20), tanman (10-04-21)
Old 12-30-20, 10:44 AM
  #294  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 38,032
Received 1,043 Likes on 810 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

That was exactly my initial thought, "I could've sworn Chris Pine is in this, did they replace him with Polaha?" Until a few seconds later Pine is revealed and stays that way almost the entire movie.

The wish stone can produce nukes out of thin air and back again but...

I was wondering if this was too many cooks in the kitchen but this was Jenkins all the way through, right?
Old 12-30-20, 10:52 AM
  #295  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Troy Stiffler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Under an I-10 Overpass
Posts: 24,034
Received 119 Likes on 93 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
I was wondering if this was too many cooks in the kitchen but this was Jenkins all the way through, right?
I think it was all Jenkins. She was on WTF and talked a little about studios tinkering with WW. There's no telling what goes on.

I watched this twice, and still feel like we're watching different movies. I think it's a delight. It's just not dark and brooding and super serious like the Snyder DCEU. There's barely a villain. It's just sort of a fun, light story. It's sort of like a mixup of an actual girl movie and a superhero movie.

You guys are treating it like this year's Cats.
The following users liked this post:
Brack (01-08-21)
Old 12-30-20, 10:54 AM
  #296  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 10,321
Received 122 Likes on 85 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

She's also been living a life for 60+yrs (unlike Captain America who woke up as if weeks had past by) wouldn't she at some point...move on? Have other relationships? Instead she's committed to a "I'll never love again" cage of sorts.

Just thought of this - how about Kathryn Bigelow for the next one? In a modern day, Winter Soldier-esque film - sign me up!
Old 12-30-20, 11:04 AM
  #297  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 38,032
Received 1,043 Likes on 810 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler View Post
I think it was all Jenkins. She was on WTF and talked a little about studios tinkering with WW. There's no telling what goes on.

I watched this twice, and still feel like we're watching different movies. I think it's a delight. It's just not dark and brooding and super serious like the Snyder DCEU. There's barely a villain. It's just sort of a fun, light story. It's sort of like a mixup of an actual girl movie and a superhero movie.

You guys are treating it like this year's Cats.
I don't think it's Cats (though I haven't actually seen Cats) but I do think a lot of the backlash is because of expectations set from the previous movie. Maybe the complete shift in tone is too jarring for a lot of people, myself included. Note that my kids liked it ok though I'm sure a ton of stuff went over their heads.

I also wonder what the box office would have been for this.
Old 12-30-20, 11:05 AM
  #298  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Why So Blu?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 34,996
Received 649 Likes on 505 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Artman View Post
She's also been living a life for 60+yrs (unlike Captain America who woke up as if weeks had past by) wouldn't she at some point...move on? Have other relationships? Instead she's committed to a "I'll never love again" cage of sorts.

Just thought of this - how about Kathryn Bigelow for the next one? In a modern day, Winter Soldier-esque film - sign me up!

That would be epic!
Old 12-30-20, 11:25 AM
  #299  
DVD Talk Legend
 
GoldenJCJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
Posts: 20,563
Received 1,515 Likes on 989 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler View Post
I think it was all Jenkins. She was on WTF and talked a little about studios tinkering with WW. There's no telling what goes on.

I watched this twice, and still feel like we're watching different movies. I think it's a delight. It's just not dark and brooding and super serious like the Snyder DCEU. There's barely a villain. It's just sort of a fun, light story. It's sort of like a mixup of an actual girl movie and a superhero movie.

You guys are treating it like this year's Cats.
Around 44% of us have rated this at 2 - 2.5 stars in the poll. While most of us don’t think it’s the worst movie of the year, many of us do consider it mediocre or average, there are A LOT of problems with the movie, mostly script problems. Which is unfortunate considering a solid once-over of the script could have prevented a lot of the issues.

This definitely seems to be a “Too many cooks in the kitchen” scenario and it really didn’t have to be.

When you look at it, many of the issues people are complaining about revolve around the “body switch” concept in the movie. Something that could have been easily avoided if anyone stepped back and looked over the script.

Remove the unneeded body switch nonsense, add a little more 80’s flare, and polish up the “wishing stone” stuff and you’d have a pretty damn highly rated movie, I bet.
Old 12-30-20, 11:40 AM
  #300  
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 2,040
Received 484 Likes on 306 Posts
Re: Wonder Woman 1984 (Jenkins, 2020) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ View Post
Around 44% of us have rated this at 2 - 2.5 stars in the poll. While most of us don’t think it’s the worst movie of the year, many of us do consider it mediocre or average, there are A LOT of problems with the movie, mostly script problems. Which is unfortunate considering a solid once-over of the script could have prevented a lot of the issues.

This definitely seems to be a “Too many cooks in the kitchen” scenario and it really didn’t have to be.

When you look at it, many of the issues people are complaining about revolve around the “body switch” concept in the movie. Something that could have been easily avoided if anyone stepped back and looked over the script.

Remove the unneeded body switch nonsense, add a little more 80’s flare, and polish up the “wishing stone” stuff and you’d have a pretty damn highly rated movie, I bet.
As much as I've been defending it, I did give it a 2.5. My problems with the film lie primarily in technical issues, rather than artistic ones. I think this thing was killed in editing. Apparently WB has had the film locked for 6mo-1yr, so I can imagine if they'd been allowed to go in and use the COVID delays more effectively, it'd be a lot more polished.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.