Runaway

It's probably who screams the loudest. The haters had been louder back then, but they don't get vocal about the Snyder Cut. I'm just happy the hashtag will die after the release and I hope I'll like the new version, can't hardly be worse than Whedons mess.

Abob Teff

$20 million is a wise investment ... most new programming costs more than that to make anyway. As far as the original version's profit or loss, it is a sunk cost so it should play no bearing on this decision. All you are looking at is "can I recoup $20 million on my streaming service?".

I like the idea of making it episodic IF the cuts work that way. I agree with GoldenJCJ that I don't like 35-minute episode lengths though. I haven't watched the Hateful Eight episodic version on Netflix, how did that work out? Just seems to me as if it would be hard to do when the pacing was not made for that.

So we did manage to accomplish something during the pandemic. Cool! Now can we go to work on #ReleaseTheGarethOne?

Giantrobo

I think a HUGE part of it is that the fans want the SC to prove that WB/Whedon fucked up the final film; and show that what we got in theaters, that many hated, was not what was intended by Snyder. Now those who already hated DCEU/Snyder, like many of the usual suspects here, will never change their minds. That's fine. But some may and that would make it worth the hype.

DJariya

I'm pretty sure they will spend more than the reported $20-30M Visual Effects is a really expensive endeavor and that to me is a generous estimate.

It's not like they have to go to Iceland or the UK for more reshoots. If they do any additional work with the actors it will be ADR.

This is new costs for HBO Max. It's not like they're bringing back the entire 300 man crew for this to have WB pay the bill entirely. And it's relatively small for what is really new programming.

Draven

So people were clamoring to see the cut of a bad movie from a director who has gotten worse over time? Ok, hope it was worth the wait!

IBJoel

I think the final act of that film works the best, because it's pretty much just action. My main gripe with Snyder's handling of all of the characters, but especially Superman, is that heroism is this enormous burden to them and they don't seem to view the human race very optimistically.

GoldenJCJ

Not only that but we’re not even going to get THAT cut. We’re going to get some sort of strange cobbled together new cut.

Like Abob Teff pointed out, if they’re going to make this 6 separate episodes, the editing and pacing will have to be completely re-thought out and implemented differently.

fujishig

What's the best case scenario for Snyder fans? The cut is amazing, every one of the doubters is proven wrong, and... there's still no finishing this saga, they're not going back to it. But might as well go back and give me a MoS without the muted colors while you're at it.

Runaway

Warner just tried to combine the success of the MCU with their flagship The Dark Knight. Nolan and Goyer worked on both projects and Snyder's Job was to do a Nolan'esqe Superman movie. Man of Steel was his 'Superman Begins', in Batman v Superman Batman was Harvey Dent and Lex Luthor the Joker, but we never actually got to see a real Superman, Justice League (The Man of Steel Rises) could have been that Superman movie but wasn't.
While I do like most of Snyders movies, he's just not Christopher Nolan and he probably through to many balls in the air. I believe his theatrical cut for Justice League would have been better than Whedons version, since it would at least had been consistent in style and tone, but I seriously doubt that his theatrical version or the new cut would be more satisfying than the other two movies.

Shannon Nutt

Six parts of 35 minutes each - yes, exactly how the director intended.

d2cheer

Sure why not? I didn't hate it. I actually liked it somewhat. I don't own it however. Even if this is a marginal improvement it is a win.

This is coming from a guy who really likes all versions of Highlander II...that probably didn't help.

Artman

Maybe they release it in the episode form, with 'making of' segments in between....and leading up to a final full film version. Might as well milk it for all it's worth, I think they'll offer all the options.

Michael Corvin

Despite Snyder's pedigree, I'm looking forward to this because we get to go back into this universe one more time. DC is a mess so if this is a huge success I could see them trying to cobble this whole thing back together. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility as Aquaman and Wonder Woman are fucking huge. Also DC's made it clear that all these movies are their own thing with multiple Jokers existing.

On the flip side, this could be Snakes on a Plane all over again and be nothing more than a wet fart where the vocal minority just overwhelmed the talk about the film.

As an aside, Kevin Smith spent an hour discussing the whole thing tonight and Ben Affleck even sent him a video expressing his excitement and blessing to Snyder. Makes you wonder if him bolting had anything to do with Snyder no longer being at the helm. He seemed pretty positive so I wonder if he'd be up for donning the suit again for reshoots.

ddrknghtrtns

​​​​​​Is it also Whedon's fault that BvsS is an incoherent dark crap mess? Just like the Donner director's cut of Superman 2, it is best to just let the past go.

Mike86

This to me is what’s the clincher with this whole thing. The Snyder cut is happening, which is great for those who want it, and as I’ve admitted I have a curiosity about seeing it. At the end of the day though beyond the fans getting their way I don’t really see this as being completely satisfying.

Unless they come up with a way to tie things up neatly the fans who really want to see this movie will be able to, but from what we know it’s really only part of a larger story of what would have been two films.

Runaway

Since Ben Affleck voiced his concerns regarding his health, if he had continued with Batman, I am pretty sure he put that all behind him. Sure coming back for a few days under the direction of Snyder is not the same as being the lead in a movie and directing it. If i had to guess, I'd say he'll be back for ADR and that's it.

Why So Blu?

Grace Randolph tweeted that Henry Cavill and the studio are working on a deal to get him back asap -- as opposed to the wishful thinking of trying to get him back.

IBJoel

Oh I agree. And I know for certain you can make a "Superman Begins", they just did it poorly. I'd love a film that tracks Clark Kent as he travels the world in his 20s, seeing both its horrors and its splendors and coming to the conclusion that he needs to use his powers for good, rather than essentially being forced into the situation by impending invasion/holocaust. Or they could have doubled down on that "first contact" narrative they heavily pitched in interviews before MoS's release, making Clark Kent unaware of his origins and getting that "I'm an alien" smack in the face when Zod arrives.

For BvS, I think they would have been better off just not having Superman in it that much. Snyder clearly wants to look at the sociopolitical ramifications of Superman, which I think could really work if Superman is more of a figure in the distance, where everyone is projecting their feelings onto him. But those are just my thoughts (I also would have just straight-up made Batfleck an older version of the Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney version, so what do I know?). I think trying to be subversive or experimental only works when you go whole hog.

For what it's worth, I like a lot of parts of Whedon's Justice League (while not enjoying the film overall), and while I'm interested to see the Snyder Cut, I don't know how it will work without the follow-up films he had planned for it.

fujishig

I agree with everything you said, but honestly I think JL would have been a lot better (at least for marketing) if they made one change, which is not killing Superman in BvS. I have no idea why they had to introduce Lex Luthor, Batman, Wonder Woman, have them fight Doomsday and have Superman die in his second movie, then market a JL movie without Superman (at least initially).

Giantrobo

I don't know, you're asking the wrong guy. I liked Justice League and BvS. I'm a huge DCEU fan and I like Snyder's stuff, I actually don't need a Snyder Cut. That said, i supported those who do want it and I'll watch it when it comes out.

Giantrobo

Yesssss

ddrknghtrtns

Than to only have Superman come back from the dead and watch Lois get vaporized by Darkseid's omega beams which drives Superman over the edge /becoming infected with the Antimatter virus that mutates him into Super zombie Superman. The movie ends with Zuperman biting a chunk out of Darkseid's neck. Mortally wounded, Darkseid flees to safe space to figure out where the error lies in his equation.

The second movie opens to an earth infected by the Antimatter virus. The Justice League hidden on Mars, work fervently on the cosmic treadmill hot tub time machine. Just as they are about to torque the last bolt, Superman and a legion of Parademons appear and kill nearly all the Justice League except for Batman and The Flash who managed to activate the time machine and open a gateway to the past. Meanwhile, while hidden inside the core of the moon and consoling himself with his favorite Pink Floyd album, Darkseid figures out the error equation was not converting meters into millimeters.

Running counterclockwise to the speed of light, Flash slows down just enough to let Batman off to save Lois. After a hot steamy sex scene between Lois and Bats, future Batman vanishes after accomplishing his mission. Before the super colossal showdown between Darkseid takes place again, future mortally wounded Darkseid shows previous Justice League Darkseid his critical equation error.

All this now accomplished, we go back to the previous movie showdown. With it all seeming that Darkseid possesses the winning hand, in appears Looney Tunes Lex Luther armed with the knowledge that Metron granted him to defeat Darkseid. Batman picking up on what it is, engages with Lex and the rest of the league in a forbidden dance that goes viral on tiktok and overwhelms Darkseid. Effectively forcing him to retreat back to Apokolips.

But not before sending a megaton radiated meteor hurtling towards earth. Superman hurdles himself at the meteor, sacrificing himself once again to save the planet. The movie ends with the Justice League standing over Superman 's tomb and giving nodding winks to each other that he will be back yet again for the next movie. Batman, just wonders how he will deal with the fact that Lois is carrying his love child???

IBJoel

I mean, "Batman/Superman fight, then team up to fight Lex Luthor who has a mech suit from Apokalips" is right there. Then you have all the same set up of "an invasion is coming" for Justice League, while Superman is still alive and well and BvS becomes a lot more streamlined to explore some themes and characters. Snyder can flesh stuff out more and really make a statement on what he wants. Would it be any good? Who knows? But things would have some breathing room.

After being alleged for Superman Lives and Superman Returns 2, I would not be surprised if WB insisted on Doomsday. I have zero evidence to back that up, but that character and other superheroes I could see WB pushing for. I do think Snyder has talents. Actors seem to love working with him for the most part and he's a competent, if heavy-handed, cinematographer, but he just seems to have neat ideas for DC that he was not capable of distilling into a coherent finished product. Army of the Dead I am interested in, though.

Why So Blu?

After reading more of this -- seems that the majority of the blame, at least 95% of it can be placed on Geoff Johns -- he seems to have been a giant douche nozzle.

jwb0323

I also blame the studio a bit for the poor reception of BVS , the theatrical cut pales in comparison to the ultimate edition