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Boogie Nights- questions and loose ends

Saw this a number of times for free at the theater I worked at, and was the 2nd movie I ever bought on DVD. Have had these questions ever since the first viewing and just now getting around to asking them, doing it here since the imdb boards are gone now:

Biggest one is that Eddie Adams is 17 years old at the beginning, but that's never an issue. Legal age to do porn has always been 18- Jack seemed pretty sensible and would've at least known about the ton of legal trouble he would've gotten into, and the movie was made well after the thing with Traci Lords happened though takes place before it. Maybe they waited until his 18th birthday to shoot his first movie, but that's never addressed.

The "kids" brought in by Philip Baker Hall's character at the New Year's Eve party- they're only seen onscreen for a few seconds but he bills them as the "future" of porn and later refers to them as "hot fuck action"- but they're never seen or heard from again after that.

Also found it odd that Don Cheadle's character was supposedly a porn star, but we never see him even close to performing. We sort of just have to take the story's word for it.

Did a bit of looking around online and haven't found any mentions of these, though I thought it was funny PT Anderson was asked if there'd ever be a sequel and he said no because likely none of the characters would still be alive a few years after it ended.
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Re: Boogie Nights- questions and loose ends

Are you asking a question? Are you just pointing out things about side characters or dialogue that implied world building? I'm not sure what you're asking about here, since the thread title says "Questions."

Maybe you can let us know what questions you're getting at as you go. Clean. Your. Apartment.

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Thank you Story for adjusting your reply- this is Movie Talk, not Housekeeping Talk. But while cleaning I often do come up with overlooked questions about movie plots.

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Fair enough. Post adjusted. Still don't know what questions you're asking.
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The future of porn is anonymous young people and video cameras. There's no need to pay anyone pornstar salaries if the producer can get a new batch of actors every three months. We never saw them again because they were replaced by someone else.
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As for not seeing Don Cheadle doing porn scenes, why not accept that he does it based on the rest of the story? We don't see Julianne Moore sucking cocks, but we accept that her character does it.

In The Lord of the Rings, we never see Sauron at all, but we accept that he's there.
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We still see Julianne Moore shooting a scene, within the confines of the R rating and probably what she was personally willing to do. We don't even see Don Cheadle on a movie poster or anything.

Another funny anecdote- I heard someone say they thought the movie was about dancing based on the trailer (he was winning awards for disco dancing and stuff) and were surprised it was actually about porn. I like both disco and porn (especially porn made in the 70s), so either would've worked for me.

And another question, more production-related- why was the song "The Touch" used in Dirk Diggler's foray into music? That song wasn't even written yet in the year that scene takes place. (Wikipedia explains it a bit, saying it was used in Anderson's earlier short film that inspired Boogie Nights, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense if you already know the song.)
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Are you asking a question? Are you just pointing out things about side characters or dialogue that implied world building? I'm not sure what you're asking about here, since the thread title says "Questions."

Maybe you can let us know what questions you're getting at as you go. Clean. Your. Apartment.
Even holds on to questions for 23 years.
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And another question, more production-related- why was the song "The Touch" used in Dirk Diggler's foray into music? That song wasn't even written yet in the year that scene takes place. (Wikipedia explains it a bit, saying it was used in Anderson's earlier short film that inspired Boogie Nights, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense if you already know the song.)
Well as Dirk Diggler does not exist in our world, Boogie Nights is set in an alternate universe. Thus in their timeline, Dirk Diggler wrote the song.
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Oh, and the TK421 stereo modification doesn't really exist either. So disappointing...
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Oh, and the TK421 stereo modification doesn't really exist either. So disappointing...

That bass was bumpin', though!
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As for not seeing Don Cheadle doing porn scenes, why not accept that he does it based on the rest of the story? We don't see Julianne Moore sucking cocks, but we accept that her character does it.

In The Lord of the Rings, we never see Sauron at all, but we accept that he's there.
I was a little surprised when Peter Jackson reincorporated the deleted scene of Sauron sucking cocks in the 4 hour extended cut though.
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Oh, and the TK421 stereo modification doesn't really exist either. So disappointing...
""TK-421, why aren't you at your post? TK-421, do you copy?"

TK-421 was portrayed by Stephen Bayley in Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope, but he was not given credit.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TK-421
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There was more proof in the movie of the TK-421 modification existing than of Buck Swope having actually done porn.

Another question- Who the hell was Cosmo, the kid throwing firecrackers, at the Alfred Molina character's house? What was their relationship? That scene really worked though with him setting of those random loud bangs startling the visitors while Molina just carries on like it's nothing. Another loose end of that whole thing though was that apparently nobody got in legal trouble for the aftermath. They got away, cops must've come to the house later and just said "Oh well, nothing we can do" and that was that.
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The kid with the firecrackers was Rahad Jackson's twink.
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Re: Boogie Nights- questions and loose ends

I have no issues with the things you bring up, none of them are glaring plot holes or anything.

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Biggest one is that Eddie Adams is 17 years old at the beginning, but that's never an issue. Legal age to do porn has always been 18- Jack seemed pretty sensible and would've at least known about the ton of legal trouble he would've gotten into, and the movie was made well after the thing with Traci Lords happened though takes place before it. Maybe they waited until his 18th birthday to shoot his first movie, but that's never addressed.
Doesn't the beginning of the film take place in the late 70's? If so, that wouldn't have been a big deal at all, the laws weren't the same as they were a few years later, and the ID requirements were probably laughable, I'm sure that there were at least a few 17 year olds who started making porn back then using a flimsy fake ID, there were no record keeping requirements in the industry yet. Plus, I don't remember details, but it's certainly possible that Eddie was almost 18 when he met Jack and could have become of age by the time he shot his first film with Jack. Anyway, my point is that someone who wasn't quite 18 could still easily get into the biz back then.
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There was more proof in the movie of the TK-421 modification existing than of Buck Swope having actually done porn.

Another question- Who the hell was Cosmo, the kid throwing firecrackers, at the Alfred Molina character's house? What was their relationship? That scene really worked though with him setting of those random loud bangs startling the visitors while Molina just carries on like it's nothing. Another loose end of that whole thing though was that apparently nobody got in legal trouble for the aftermath. They got away, cops must've come to the house later and just said "Oh well, nothing we can do" and that was that.

Google the Wonderland Murders. Your obsession over Boogie Nights minutiae is irritating.
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Saw this a number of times for free at the theater I worked at, and was the 2nd movie I ever bought on DVD. Have had these questions ever since the first viewing and just now getting around to asking them, doing it here since the imdb boards are gone now:

Biggest one is that Eddie Adams is 17 years old at the beginning, but that's never an issue. Legal age to do porn has always been 18- Jack seemed pretty sensible and would've at least known about the ton of legal trouble he would've gotten into, and the movie was made well after the thing with Traci Lords happened though takes place before it. Maybe they waited until his 18th birthday to shoot his first movie, but that's never addressed.

The "kids" brought in by Philip Baker Hall's character at the New Year's Eve party- they're only seen onscreen for a few seconds but he bills them as the "future" of porn and later refers to them as "hot fuck action"- but they're never seen or heard from again after that.

Also found it odd that Don Cheadle's character was supposedly a porn star, but we never see him even close to performing. We sort of just have to take the story's word for it.

Did a bit of looking around online and haven't found any mentions of these, though I thought it was funny PT Anderson was asked if there'd ever be a sequel and he said no because likely none of the characters would still be alive a few years after it ended.
I'll stick to the topic.

I think the movie had a lot of scenes filmed but were just never put into the movie, as it would have been way too long (pun intended). As far as legal trouble...this was the 70's porn industry. On the west coast and the east coast, just about everyone was doing porn and/or drugs, and law enforcement had a difficult time keeping up with everyone involved being legal. Don Cheadle's character however, left a lot to your imagination and I think this was done on purpose as well as trimming additional scene creations to focus on Dirk Diggler.

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Google the Wonderland Murders. Your obsession over Boogie Nights minutiae is irritating.
This is a movie forum...right?
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If you saw a movie based in the 70's era, then saw Ariana Grande singing in a video on a 85" 4K HDTV in that 70's era film in somebody's home...you wouldn't ask questions?

Alrighty, then.

I think Alan's point was this. We know the film is fiction. That's a big DUH. However, there are still facts which a director SHOULD keep in mind to keep the era holding true...but the story remaining fictionalized.

In other words, the two do hold parallels in a movie. But sometimes, not being accurate enough can make the entire movie seem distant. In Boogie Nights however, I didn't really notice it too much. The song seemed to fit generally well.

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And another question, more production-related- why was the song "The Touch" used in Dirk Diggler's foray into music? That song wasn't even written yet in the year that scene takes place. (Wikipedia explains it a bit, saying it was used in Anderson's earlier short film that inspired Boogie Nights, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense if you already know the song.)

Here's a possible alternate scenario for you: Maybe Burt the studio manager (played by Robert Downey Sr.) sold the song to Stan Bush (the real "The Touch" writer/artist) to help re-coup the money Dirk and Reed owed him for the studio time?
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
Google the Wonderland Murders. Your obsession over Boogie Nights minutiae is irritating.
Remember when you couldn't rent Wonderland from Blockbuster Video?


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I'll stick to the topic.

I think the movie had a lot of scenes filmed but were just never put into the movie, as it would have been way too long (pun intended).
Yeah, there were a lot of subplots that got trimmed from the movie. Some are on the deleted scenes on the DVD; others are alluded to in other sources like the commentary.

As far as legal trouble...this was the 70's porn industry. On the west coast and the east coast, just about everyone was doing porn and/or drugs, and law enforcement had a difficult time keeping up with everyone involved being legal.
In the 70s, the porn industry operated in a kind of legal gray area with organized crime bankrolling parts of it. Back then, the impression I get is that nobody really cared if a few of the performers might have been under eighteen. They were working under stage names and most were probably paid in cash. They probably weren't too concerned about checking IDs too closely, and if they looked like were eighteen they were hired.

It wasn't until Tracy Lords got outed as being underaged that they started cracking down the industry and forced to keep records.
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Do be fair, a movie like the unrated Caligula featuring multiple shots of penetration and ejaculation could hardly be considered "softcore".

I remember on the DVD commentary, Anderson saying he wanted Samuel L Jackson for the Buck Swope character, but Jackson read the script and said he "didn't get it". I have a hard time imagining Jackson in that role, a mix between him seeming too old for the part, and the fact he very rarely (has he ever?) played a character that humble.

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