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Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

Old 03-30-20, 08:09 PM
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

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beautiful. makes it more impactful. thanks dex.
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

Infinity War's best moments were Thanos arriving on Earth the first time. It was a perfectly paced buildup.

I'm more about finding special moments in a movie, rather than sitting back and enjoying an entire scene.

I must be getting old. Watching the action sequences just don't get me light they used to. I am more on board for the build up to those action sequences, and the drama. Dr Strange holding up his one-chance finger is more emotive than twenty minutes of people fighting and blowing stuff up.
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

Was there any rhyme or reason explained in movie, most likely Endgame), lore of comics of who/why they got wiped out as the 1/2 of pop. and who didn’t?
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

I'll give the edge to Endgame if only because they finally got rid of that insufferable Stark/Iron Man.
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Old 04-01-20, 09:44 AM
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

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Was there any rhyme or reason explained in movie, most likely Endgame), lore of comics of who/why they got wiped out as the 1/2 of pop. and who didnít?
Simple random chance. But a full listing of who got snapped? I don't know that there was that, but I recall now and then the directors would clarify. I believe Thunderbolt Ross and Shuri were confirmed among the off-screen snapped.

My bugaboo was WHAT got snapped. Thanos says "half of all life", but that wouldn't fix food shortages, since it would also wipe out half of plants. Black Widow says Thanos destroyed "half of all living creatures", implying that it was merely animals who were killed, which makes the food issue OK mostly if everyone goes vegetarian (although people who rely on fishing are not going to fare well). But we only see sapient species actually killed and Captain America mentions whale populations recovering (which I'm not a cetologist, but 5 years doesn't seem like enough time for them to more-than-double their numbers).

My biggest issue with Endgame is that it sets up this insane world, but never wants to live in it. I needed like a full hour, starting with the press conference or whatever, where Captain America tells the world "we goofed" and then covers the 3 weeks between the end of Infinity War and the beginning of Endgame. Who's president? Are political squabbles now resolved that we have both aliens and an unimaginable global crisis? How do the Avengers handle it? How did Norway react to a bunch of gods saying "we're going to live here now"? Is Okoye de facto queen of Wakanda? How does that second press conference go, when Cap tells everyone "We tried to fix it, but couldn't. On the upside, space is pretty cool"?
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

^ While accurate, I think thatís overthinking it.

In reality, they needed a way to focus on the original 6 Avengers and had to come up with a quick way to get rid of everyone else for the majority of the movie.
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

Infinity War has more rock n roll. Endgame has the first, but brief fight with Thanos, and then the final act. The rest of the 2.5 hours is a fucking chore to get through now and I saw this shit twice on the same day in theaters. Does not translate well on home video -- I just fast forward the shit to the final fight and turn it off.

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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

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^ While accurate, I think thatís overthinking it.

In reality, they needed a way to focus on the original 6 Avengers and had to come up with a quick way to get rid of everyone else for the majority of the movie.
I don't care about the original 6 Avengers, though. And arguably the most interesting development (Professor Hulk) happens offscreen. You simply can't have a cast of 6 and make it about their emotional growth and not have the movie be about that. Endgame tries to have it both ways, where it's partially about personal lives, but then that drama is ultimately rendered moot because there is no consequence (aside from Iron Man). Everyone magically gets what they want. Black Widow dies, but only has a single major scene prior to her death.

I guess my issue is that I essentially have no emotional attachment to the actual characters. I think the movies are pretty fun and well-acted and explore an exciting world, but none of the Avengers films is frankly capable of having meaningful emotionality because each act needs to have a fancy fist fight (which I enjoy!). Civil War is a perfect example: The first act is about the fallout of violence and unchecked power. The person most effected by this is Scarlet Witch, her existence being both a result of that escalation, herself having unchecked, difficult to control power, and her actions resulting in deaths of innocent people. Then the movie pivots and all but ignores the character that has the strongest emotional attachment to the theme the filmmakers have set up. Yes, I understand that it is a Captain America movie. Yes, I understand that these movies are there for some lighthearted eye candy (which is the part that works best and I like most), but the Russos in particular are trying to have their cake and eat it too with the films involving more characters. Winter Soldier was the one where they totally nailed it.

So I'd rather they just live in the world they set up and let it breathe and let the audience sit with it for a while, versus resolving emotional tension with either "it was magically fixed" or "and then the bad guys were magically dead". That was another thing. Thanos' defeat totally lacks the catharsis for me. I know he was hoist by his own petard, but I need some viscerality in his death, like the version of him in the beginning.
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

and i still don't get the Professor Hulk thing. why is he like that?
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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

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and i still don't get the Professor Hulk thing. why is he like that?
It isn't explained in Endgame, but this alternate ending for Hulk in Infinity War gives some idea.

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Re: Which did you like more, Avengers: Infinity War or Endgame?

^ but that just brushed over it. i just heard we saw him after he busted out of Hulbuster armor and that was it and that he (Professor Hulk) was in comics and stuff, but didn't hear reason why he remained like that. was it just the Banner could finally control and use best of both worlds?
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^ but that just brushed over it. i just heard we saw him after he busted out of Hulbuster armor and that was it and that he (Professor Hulk) was in comics and stuff, but didn't hear reason why he remained like that. was it just the Banner could finally control and use best of both worlds?
Sorry, I didn't have time to find the deleted scene clip or watch that video (I figured they included the actual clip). Basically when he's fighting Cull Obsidian, he has an extended dialogue with the Hulk, where Hulk says Banner just wants his body and they talk about their feelings toward one another and then it's sort of like Banner's mind in the Hulk's body.

But Professor Hulk is more than just that. Aspects of Hulk's confidence and rage show through in Endgame, implying that as a result of reconciling his repressed psyche with his conscious mind, Bruce Banner also takes on a body that is somewhere in between (his face is more handsome and his musculature is slightly smaller).

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