Shannon Nutt

Chapek was hand-picked by Iger, and I doubt he'll have the tenure Bob Iger had...Iger was there for 20 years and Chapek is already 60.

I think the biggest worry here isn't that Disney will change, but that it won't change. Iger took some huge risks and the vast majority of them paid off...Chapek seems more like the guy that the Disney Board wants around to "stay the course" for the next decade.

RichC2

Tim Cook tenure. Do enough to remain on top and coast on by.

nando820

ye....ah big OP Fail
Disney grew immensely under Iger. And even if you are not a fan of Marvel or Star Wars. He secured a good home for Pixar. And those films are fucking amazing

ddrknghtrtns

Some really amazing films early on, but the last few releases have been less than so. The very anticipated sequel to the Incredibles ended up losing best animated feature to Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse. I guess Disney can still consider this a win, because they own Marvel.

Mabuse

Pixar’s output since they were acquired is diminished. There have a been a couple good movies but not many.

PerryD

Yeah, Pixar as an independent company was definitely more adventurous, and at the time no sequels either (well, Toy Story 2, that one had a complicated history) in their first 10 movies before being acquired by Disney. Since the merger, 7 of the next 11 Pixar movies have been sequels.

But one benefit of adding Pixar was putting Lassiter in charge of Disney Animation who was putting out crap in both theatrical and direct to video. Pre-Lassiter, Disney released Home on the Range, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, and Princess and the Frog. Post-Lassiter, you get Tangled, Wreck-It-Ralph, Frozen, Big Hero 6, Zootopia, Moana, etc, a definite step up in quality.

dex14

Exactly. Especially when all the heads of subsidiaries are doing their jobs effectively. That seems to be why they are doing this shift register transition.

Regarding film... people are acting like this is some giant shift... are they forgetting that Alan Horn is still the head of the studio? KK, Feige, Jim Morris/Pete Doctor all report to him.

ddrknghtrtns

Under Iger's reign, live action/cgi remakes of their classic 90's animated library and flicks based off of amusement park attractions. Just picked up where Eisner left off with more unoriginal cash grab ideas. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

d2cheer

Meh really doesn't matter to me I guess. The Marvel movies have basically shot their wad. Nothing upcoming IMHO will be like the Avengers and the movies that led up to Endgame. Never saw any of the "new" Star Wars" movie in a theater (I think) and have not watched any of them since Rogue One.

Pixar's output doesn't really appeal to me anymore. I did watch the Incredibles II but nothing else for years.

I loved the Toy Story series yet can't be bothered to watch part 4...

DJariya

Every movie that’s made is a “cash grab”. You don’t make movies with the intention to lose money.

Aladdin and Lion King each made over a billion dollars. If you don’t like that kind of creative strategy then that’s on you. Those movies were huge risks to make and luckily paid off.

ddrknghtrtns

Spoken like a true Disney stock holder. All of the remakes smell of lazy unoriginal film making and quick cash grabbing. Today, the mass majority of people could care less what they pay to go see at the theater.

beavis69

hahahahahahahahahah.......hahahahahahahahahahaha

RichC2

Nobody is going to argue that post-2011 Pixar is at the same level of pre-2011 Pixar. Though, Disney did buy them in '06.

Mabuse

After the success of Maleficent, Beauty and the Beast, and The Jungle Book, what was risky about making those two films? Fucking easiest layup of all time.

DJariya

Dumbo was a massive bomb of that was a beloved animated movie from Disney's golden era vault.

Nothing is 100 percent certain. The early reaction to the development of Aladdin and Lion King along with the early press photos from Aladdin was mostly negative.

PerryD

I didn't chose 2011 as a cut-off, I was thinking more along 2009 as the cutoff to material affected post merger assuming a 3 year lead time between story creation and film release.

Hokeyboy

Dumbo was actually quite profitable, as it was made on the cheap and had a short running time that insured more showings.

Pinocchio and especially Fantasia were the big bombs of their times, although both eventually became not only beloved but very profitable.

dex14

He’s talking about the Tim Burton live action movie.

Hokeyboy

This isn't entirely accurate. After his falling out with Eisner due to the Toy Story 2 contract fiasco, Jobs was ending the Disney distribution deal. The last film in their contract was Cars. Pixar began production Ratatouille, Wall-E, and Up with the knowledge that they would not have any Disney involvement whatsoever. It was only after Eisner was out and Iger mended fences with Jobs that Disney bought Pixar (Iger and Jobs became close friends) and these films were brought to completion.

I won't argue the quality of Cars 2, Monsters University, Cars 3, or that dinosaur movie that I never saw, but I'd argue that they continued making quality films with Toy Story 3, Brave (yes, I love the movie), Inside Out, Finding Dory (a surprisingly decent sequel), and Coco. I'd even argue Coco and Inside Out are both masterpieces and worthy of the prominence in the Pixar hierarchy.

DJariya

You misinterpreted what I wrote. I was responding to the post that a lot of these live action updates to classic animated movies have all been hits and weren't risks. And I said Dumbo (2019) was a massive bomb. Not all these beloved properties have done well with the translation.

and keep in mind all, while Iger was the CEO, he doesn't greenlight movies. That's Allan Horn's job.

Hokeyboy

Gotcha. It pays to read the entire thread huh?
While this is true, it sure doesn't stop them from taking credit for it. Eisner was completely against the original Pirates of the Caribbean movie, but when it hit big, he couldn't pose next to Johnny Depp fast enough.

Michael Corvin

Spider-verse is a Sony movie. Not sure how Disney can call that a win.

Maybe. But Eisner was hitting that straight to video trash pretty hard. At least the current crop of live action remakes and stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean are big budgt tentpole movies.

Brack

Incredibles 2 didn’t win an Oscar, but the movie making over a billion dollars is better than any Oscar.

Michael Corvin

That's great and all, but what does that have to do with owning Marvel trumping Incredible's Oscal loss?

ddrknghtrtns

Disney still gets a cut of the profits and lets Sony make all the risks/costs. Now after the new deal, they will get an even larger profit cut. Pretty sure you can call that a win for Disney.

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