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What movie is considered “black sheep” of trilogy or franchise?

I don’t remember much about it except bits and pieces, but did see it in theaters, like all of them. All I remember of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is that it was always considered the lesser, darker one of the original trilogy. It wasn’t necessarily bad, I don’t think. Will have to see again. But you know those movies in a trilogy or franchise that have this stigma like they don’t belong, but not necessarily bad movies, just different.

So which ones you think have this stigma to it even though it’s not a bad movie? Basically, movies that get a bad rap.

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See I would think it would be Never Say Never Again since it’s not “official” Bond movie (even though Connery played the character), whatever that means...
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Bourne Legacy.

Incredible Hulk in the MCU.

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I don’t remember much about it except bits and pieces, but did see it in theaters, like all of them. All I remember of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is that it was always ways considered the lesser, darker one of the original trilogy. It wasn’t necessarily bad, I don’t think. Will have to see again. But you know those movies in a trilogy or franchise that have this stigma like they don’t belong, but not necessarily bad movies, just different.

So which ones you think have this stigma to it even though it’s not a bad movie? Basically, movies that get a bad rap.
Before I opened this thread, "Temple of Doom" was the first movie that automatically came to mind. And I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I did think it was bad. Terrible in fact. The opening scene scene was quite good. But it just went south and fast after that.
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Timothy Dalton's James Bond. He's like an afterthought but I really liked his take on the character. Serious, pissed-off. It's not fun having to kill people all the time.
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Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2: Freddy's Revenge
This was the first Freddy movie I saw in it's entirety and I thought it was great. I can understand how people find fault with how the sequel just ditches the rules established in the first film. But I like that they did something different. Freddy was still scary, and it's easily better than 4, 5, and 6. You can ignore the supposedly unintentional gay subtext and it's still a good horror movie. If it's intentional, well I'd say it may be "problematic" but it makes it more interesting than what the other sequels were doing, with the exception of New Nightmare.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Not nearly as good as Raiders of the Lost Ark but more ambitious than Last Crusade. I feel like I'm in a far off and exotic place when watching this film. That's the sense those adventure serials from the 40s and those "real men's" adventure magazines were trying to convey to their audiences at the time. Last Crusade was paint-by-numbers Indy, with bringing back the Nazi's and a Judeo-Christian supernatural artifact. I really like how we got the tail-end of another Indy movie at the beginning of Temple of Doom. Shortround was a cool sidekick.

Star Trek: The Final Frontier
I thought this was going to be awful but I enjoyed it. The original trio camping was actually a nice moment. Row, Row, Row, Your Boat was awful but it kind of worked. Spock having a brother? I hate retcons, but that scene where he brings up that memory for Bones was great. The odd numbered ones are all supposed to be "bad" but this one is the most criticized, right? This particular film franchise is good from start to finish IMO.

Jurassic Park III
This was so much better than Lost World. They brought back Dr. Grant, the teradactyl cage was creepy. The finale was weak, but overall a good sequel.

The Dark Knight Rises
Not really a black sheep, but people make it seem like this is the least of the Nolan trilogy. Batman Begins had some moments here and there, but overall I found it boring at times. Lian Neeson was great as Bruce's mentor but his campy water bomb was lame, the sepia tone of the city felt way too artificial in a film that was supposed to make Batman more realistic. The guy with the fake mob boss accent wasn't believable...too much for me to criticize.
TDKR though, that had way more emotional highs than BB. Bane was a more entertaining villain than Ra's, and yet tying it back to BB was great. I just felt it had more going on to keep me interested.

Burton's Planet of the Apes
Aside from the strange ending I thought this was pretty good. Not nearly as good as the original but I didn't think it was as bad as people made it out to be.

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Ghost of Frankenstein. Preceeded by the big three Karloffs, Frank, Bride, Son, and followed by the three team-up movies. It kinda gets lost in the shuffle.
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THE GODFATHER III (1990) - the general response to this film was: "What were they thinking?"
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As great a film as the original Jaws was, it has had some very crappy sequels. Jaws 2 is watchable, but after that, they go downhill fast.
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I was only able to stand a few minutes of it, but Casino Royale (1967).

Son of Kong (1933). King Kong is one of the Great Movies, and Mighty Joe Young is well liked. Son of Kong was a rush-release, the same year, to capitalize on the success of the original.
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Back to the Future II *and* III depending on who you ask. Some people think II is too dark and joyless and other think III is a slow-paced, light weight retread of the original. I like them both. II is genius and III is a satisfying wrap up of the trilogy.
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M:I 2 is generally considered the low point of the franchise. While it probably has the worst script of the series, I still think it's a dumb fun movie with some stylish action scenes.

Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome is regarded as the worst of the MM movies, but it has its moments.



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Re: What movie is considered “black sheep” of trilogy or franchise?

Plenty of people like Temple of Doom and for me its my favorite score by John Williams for the entire series.
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Matrix Revolutions & Matrix Reloaded. Does that count?
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Timothy Dalton's James Bond. He's like an afterthought but I really liked his take on the character. Serious, pissed-off. It's not fun having to kill people all the time.
i was thinking about those 2 as well...
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Before I opened this thread, "Temple of Doom" was the first movie that automatically came to mind. And I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I did think it was bad. Terrible in fact. The opening scene scene was quite good. But it just went south and fast after that.
as i said, i don't remember much, but it did get some critical raves fwiw...
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M:I 2 is generally considered the low point of the franchise. While it probably has the worst script of the series, I still think it's a dumb fun movie with some stylish action scenes.

yeah, this was always the most different of the series. Ethan's long hair, John Woo and his ways of course are what made the film very different than most and especially to what it has become. i love John Woo, but his style didn't really work in this pic and there were way to many face/offs
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THE GODFATHER III (1990) - the general response to this film was: "What were they thinking?"
From what I read, Coppola was having financial problems at the time so that was a safe pick for him to get a big payday.
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From what I read, Coppola was having financial problems at the time so that was a safe pick for him to get a big payday.
Maybe they should have tossed some do that “payday” money Robert Duvall’s way...
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Alien 3, presumably because people forget Alien: Resurrection exists.

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