Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery (2022, D: Johnson) - S: Daniel Craig
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I know it’s sacrilege to criticize Knives Out but it’s an ugly stain on an otherwise fun movie.
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"I reject your hypothesis".
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People should use that more often.
#31
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Question, will these be shown on Netflix only or will they play in theaters too to qualify for the Oscars? The first was such a smash and played in theaters for months. Just wasn't expecting the sequel (now sequels) to be streaming only.
#32
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If they think the movies are worthy of Oscar consideration, and if that is a requirement for eligibility, then Netflix will show them in NY and LA just like they did with Roma, The Irishman and Marriage Story.
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Even if they do play in theatres, it wouldn’t be at a major chain. But considering that streaming only films qualified this year, is there going back? Also, we don’t know what the theatrical landscape will look like 3 months from now, let alone 18 months from now.
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I’m down for these. I share some of the others’ opinion about RJ and SW, but the first Knives Out was just awesome. Like the goth older sister of Clue.
#36
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re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery (2022, D: Johnson) - S: Daniel Craig
Like many, I was apprehensive before seeing this but really enjoyed Knives Out. Looking forward to sequels.
#37
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re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery (2022, D: Johnson) - S: Daniel Craig
Same. Even though I thought it had a terrific cast, the trailers left me cold. A friend literally hijacked the movie we were going to see that weekend. I insisted on "The Good Liar" (Helen Mirren and Ian McKellen). I'm so glad I was swayed otherwise. I loved it. Saw "Liar" a few months later and was extremely underwhelmed. I also enjoyed watching this movie storm the box-office week after week. Dropping very little each week.
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Nope. Lazy as fuck. When have you ever seen anything remotely like that in real life? It’s something that exists only in movies when they can’t think of any realistic way to move the story along. It’s worse than giving someone a convenient case of amnesia.
I know it’s sacrilege to criticize Knives Out but it’s an ugly stain on an otherwise fun movie.
I know it’s sacrilege to criticize Knives Out but it’s an ugly stain on an otherwise fun movie.
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Just over a year ago, it looked like an open-and-shut case.
In February 2020, Lionsgate CEO Jon Feltheimer said during a quarterly earnings call that the company was officially moving ahead on a sequel to Knives Out, the surprise box office and critical smash whodunnit starring Daniel Craig and written and directed by Rian Johnson.
But on March 31, in a twist worthy of Agatha Christie, came the reveal that Lionsgate would not be releasing the sequel at all. Instead, two sequels would be made by Netflix, which inked a dagger-driving $469 million deal with Johnson and his producing partner at T-Street, Ram Bergman, both of whom are represented by CAA.
Deal points were noteworthy: The pact gave Johnson immense creative control, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. He doesn’t have to take notes from the streamer. The only contingencies were that Craig must star in the sequels and that each must have at least the budget of the 2019 movie, which was in the $40 million range. Sources say that Johnson, Bergman and Craig stand to walk away with upwards of $100 million each.
The other company that missed out on the sequels was MRC, the Beverly Hills-based production firm that financed the first film. (MRC is also a co-parent of THR through a joint venture with Penske Media titled PMRC.) Sources say that MRC had a one movie deal with Johnson and Bergman, the filmmaker and producer known for critically beloved, modestly-budgeted one-off thrillers Brick and Looper before they made Star Wars: The Last Jedi. An MRC rep said the company was “proud” to have partnered with Johnson and Bergman on the first Knives Out and noted that the duo “have always controlled the rights” to the franchise.
Sources note that Lionsgate had what was considered a solid deal in which the company had first right of negotiation and last rights of refusal, all part of the negotiation safety net with which companies normally shield themselves from losing projects. (Lionsgate and CAA declined to comment.) And Johnson and Bergman were considered big backers of the theatrical experience.
But that was before the pandemic hit, theatrical took a nosedive and backend became nonexistent. In January, with the pandemic in full swing, and a hoped-for summer production start for a sequel, Johnson and Bergman questioned the near-term viability of theatrical releasing. CAA began shopping the deal and streamers like Netflix pounced hard. MRC and Lionsgate, which in normal times may have gotten the project, could not compete. “It became a perfect storm,” says one insider. “This would not have happened a year ago.”
For Netflix, despite the price tag, the deal made sense on several levels. The streamer gets an instant and proven franchise with sequels to a film that grossed $311 million globally. And it cannily weakens a theatrical competitor.
“Yes, it’s overpaying but Netflix is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers,” says one streaming executive familiar with the deal. “It takes a proven theatrical commodity off the board and puts it in their pocket. And it’s another way they re-educate audiences to think of streaming and their company above a studio.”
For others, the deal shows the leverage sought-after talent is enjoying at this moment, thanks to the competition from streamers. “If you’re talent right now, and you want to bet on yourself, it’s a pretty good time.”
In February 2020, Lionsgate CEO Jon Feltheimer said during a quarterly earnings call that the company was officially moving ahead on a sequel to Knives Out, the surprise box office and critical smash whodunnit starring Daniel Craig and written and directed by Rian Johnson.
But on March 31, in a twist worthy of Agatha Christie, came the reveal that Lionsgate would not be releasing the sequel at all. Instead, two sequels would be made by Netflix, which inked a dagger-driving $469 million deal with Johnson and his producing partner at T-Street, Ram Bergman, both of whom are represented by CAA.
Deal points were noteworthy: The pact gave Johnson immense creative control, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. He doesn’t have to take notes from the streamer. The only contingencies were that Craig must star in the sequels and that each must have at least the budget of the 2019 movie, which was in the $40 million range. Sources say that Johnson, Bergman and Craig stand to walk away with upwards of $100 million each.
The other company that missed out on the sequels was MRC, the Beverly Hills-based production firm that financed the first film. (MRC is also a co-parent of THR through a joint venture with Penske Media titled PMRC.) Sources say that MRC had a one movie deal with Johnson and Bergman, the filmmaker and producer known for critically beloved, modestly-budgeted one-off thrillers Brick and Looper before they made Star Wars: The Last Jedi. An MRC rep said the company was “proud” to have partnered with Johnson and Bergman on the first Knives Out and noted that the duo “have always controlled the rights” to the franchise.
Sources note that Lionsgate had what was considered a solid deal in which the company had first right of negotiation and last rights of refusal, all part of the negotiation safety net with which companies normally shield themselves from losing projects. (Lionsgate and CAA declined to comment.) And Johnson and Bergman were considered big backers of the theatrical experience.
But that was before the pandemic hit, theatrical took a nosedive and backend became nonexistent. In January, with the pandemic in full swing, and a hoped-for summer production start for a sequel, Johnson and Bergman questioned the near-term viability of theatrical releasing. CAA began shopping the deal and streamers like Netflix pounced hard. MRC and Lionsgate, which in normal times may have gotten the project, could not compete. “It became a perfect storm,” says one insider. “This would not have happened a year ago.”
For Netflix, despite the price tag, the deal made sense on several levels. The streamer gets an instant and proven franchise with sequels to a film that grossed $311 million globally. And it cannily weakens a theatrical competitor.
“Yes, it’s overpaying but Netflix is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers,” says one streaming executive familiar with the deal. “It takes a proven theatrical commodity off the board and puts it in their pocket. And it’s another way they re-educate audiences to think of streaming and their company above a studio.”
For others, the deal shows the leverage sought-after talent is enjoying at this moment, thanks to the competition from streamers. “If you’re talent right now, and you want to bet on yourself, it’s a pretty good time.”
#43
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I don't get the deal. Knives Out had a budget of 40 million and Netflix pays 470 million for two sequels? Why don't they buy 11 movies? I'm sure I'm overseeing something, but I don't know what it is.
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It’s not just the cost of the budget, it is now factoring in hypothetical gross backend deals that those behind it would’ve received if it went theatrical.
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So Daniel Craig will make $125M for his next three movies? That's a pretty good paycheck for somebody I doubt anyone would list off the top of their head as one of their ten favorite movie stars working today.
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ooooh, this movie was based on a true story of a real case with whacko family, all eccentric in own way and one very very eccentric detective with a name like Benoit Blanc who knew the killer in minutes, but prolonged case for entertainment value, presumably. Academy totally screwed up by nominating him in ORIGINAL Screenplay category. Totally should have been Adapted, those dorks. Didn’t realize. My bad. Truly.
I stand by my original assertion that it’s a good movie with one terrible story gimmick.
#48
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re: Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery (2022, D: Johnson) - S: Daniel Craig
I didn't have a problem with the vomit trick. Lots of people have all kinds of anxiety issues and if she was raised in a home with issues about lying, it's not a stretch to think she would manifest her anxiety like that.
#49
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I hope the sequel has someone who farts when they lie. Maybe when he reveals the killer, he can sneak in the phrase “he who smelt it, dealt it.”
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I missed this the first time. Sorry for taking so long to respond. Movies are rooted in reality. It doesn’t need to be a true story to be grounded in a realistic world. That plot point doesn’t exist in reality. It’s no different than the writers making Daniel Craig’s character a psychic who can magically determine when someone is lying. Or Ana De Armas’ character’s nose grow every time she tells a lie. Both of those are just as plausible as someone who vomits the second they tell a lie.
I stand by my original assertion that it’s a good movie with one terrible story gimmick.
I stand by my original assertion that it’s a good movie with one terrible story gimmick.
And we’ve seen noses grow for lies on other characters that don’t start with P. I don’t remember another movie using regurgitation as a quirky, hilarious, devious way to know when a fictional character was lying before. Perhaps it’s been done, but I’m not aware.