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Old 04-12-24, 11:16 AM
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Re: Joker: Folie Deux (2024, D: Phillips) S: Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga

Originally Posted by Jason Bovberg
So, and I ask this with all due respect . . . should this be a considered a criticism of the film, or an explanation of the preconceived notions you personally brought to it? Isn't an interpretation OK to explore?
I went in to the film without knowing how they would treat the character. The Joker's sob story was not what I wanted - IMHO, no one should ever feel sorry for the Joker.

Any interpretation is OK to explore, but I can also not like that interpretation.
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Re: Joker: Folie Deux (2024, D: Phillips) S: Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga

Something can be "OK to explore" and still not worthwhile, in someone's opinion.
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Re: Joker: Folie Deux (2024, D: Phillips) S: Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga

Originally Posted by Draven
I went in to the film without knowing how they would treat the character. The Joker's sob story was not what I wanted - IMHO, no one should ever feel sorry for the Joker. Any interpretation is OK to explore, but I can also not like that interpretation.
Fair enough! I also think a lot of the reception of Joker depends on the degree to which a person is invested in the original comics. I wonder if casual fans like me are more open to interpretation than "true" fans.


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Re: Joker: Folie Deux (2024, D: Phillips) S: Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga

Trailer was solid. Will definitely check this out.
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Re: Joker: Folie Deux (2024, D: Phillips) S: Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga

Originally Posted by Decker
And I loved that trailer. The umbrella overhead shot was amazing, as was that final smile.
The final smile was the best part. Cant wait for this.
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Re: Joker: Folie Deux (2024, D: Phillips) S: Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga

Originally Posted by EEz28
Reminded me of The Umbrellas of Cherbourg (which is also a musical)
First thing I thought of as well when I saw that scene. Great trailer, I'm totally on board with this.
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Re: Joker: Folie Deux (2024, D: Phillips) S: Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga

Originally Posted by Jason Bovberg
So, and I ask this with all due respect . . . should this be a considered a criticism of the film, or an explanation of the preconceived notions you personally brought to it? Isn't an interpretation OK to explore?
I will go with a criticism of the film, since I share the sentiment and had no pre-conceived notions going in (that I recall). I will say it is possibly a criticism of a larger slice of the entertainment industry . . . It was unnecessary misery porn. Unnecessary because I don't need sympathy for a character who was created as evil and is a mass-murderer. This goes beyond Joker and includes Star Wars, Hunger Games, Hannibal, and many more. Maybe it is my disdain for the current state of our society and our worship of villains, but no thank you. I believe this feeling in me goes back long before this, though, and explains why I largely don't care for slasher films and horror franchises.

I will say this trailer intrigues me, but I don't have high hopes that I will like it. While I'll admit an interesting character study of the downfall of a person can be intriguing, the first failed to deliver on that. Here is a loser, he is a loser, he sucks, feel sorry for him because he sucks and is a loser . . . there was nothing to root for.
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