Decker

I do. It was Sony's character and their post valuable asset. There was no way they would give up control. The partnership with Marvel certainly strengthened the brand and rejuvenated the franchise. But Spidey is owned by Sony and if they want Holland to play the part, what recourse would Marvel have? Sony held the cards here, not Marvel.

And while I greatly enjoyed Far From Home, let's be honest : The MCU connection, besides the first post-snap set ups, were pretty unimpressive. I don't think Nick Fury or Hap brought much essential to the table -- certainly nothing like Iron Man did in the previous film. If they bring back the same characters minus the MCU connections, I don't think they miss much.

Mike86

It was a two way agreement. There's no way there weren't some stipulations put in place. That would be absolutely stupid terms to agree to on the part of Marvel Studios and Disney.

dex14

Yes, and Disney profited with Civil War, IW and Endgame because of it. They wanted to use the character and they got to. Beyond that, what else can they do? They don't own it.

dex14

Exactly.

I'm more concerned with not having Peter in place for Avengers movies. Him in a leadership role would be great.

Mike86

Of course they did. I never said differently in that respect. Disney is a very smart company when it comes to things like this though. They weren't just being buddies with Sony and doing this as a favor. They were doing it because both sides stood to make money. I just find it hard to believe there's not more to it than we currently know. Why would they just allow the continued use of a version of the character they popularized whether Sony currently owns the rights or not without stipulations if a situation like this ever arose? It makes no sense from their stance.

dex14

Mike86

But you aren't seeming to take into account Marvel's side of the agreement. This was a weird arrangement from the start.

dex14

Mike86

All I'm saying is normally when an agreement like this comes between two companies there are terms and conditions to it. If one company leaves the party there's generally ramifications. I could be wrong and am not claiming to be correct with certainty, but I find it very hard to believe to think that Disney wouldn't have terms like this in the contract. I guess we'll find out what happens.

JeremyM

I don't blame Sony, as I assume Disney was allowed to use Spiderman in the MCU films without cost and in exchange they helped Sony produce his solo films and made a little money on top of that. Seems like a fair arrangement, but of course Disney always wants more, more, and more. Frankly, if they plan on more Avengers films, they're going to regret not having access to him as he would be the biggest solo draw left with the possible exception of Thor.

Decker

They also, more importantly, got the rights to use that character in three of their own movies.

PhantomStranger

Don't blame Sony at all. Disney greatly benefited from using Marvel's most popular character in their movies which they just don't happen to own in films.

dex14

james2025a

You think? Personally I think it's a move that Kevin Feige would easily pull. Sony and that idiot Amy Pascal ran the Spiderman franchise into the ground and it's recent success is totally due to Marvel being brought into the fold. Going forward without them they will hit success with a third movie, but only due to the ground work of the last two movies. After that they are screwed.

It will also make it very hard in a third movie for Sony because I am sure Marvel will make it clear they can no longer reference any characters, events, places etc. from their movies. The tone of Spiderman will have to be very different.

Sony are a bunch of morons and Pascal is the worst of the bunch. Its a company that's been struggling for years and their own poor decisions are leading to their downfall. Marvel Now has all the Fox properties back so I am sure they are happy to concentrate on those now instead.

When Sony comes back begging I imagine Marvel will refuse to work for them and simply be waiting to for the moment the Sony movie division goes on sale and will snap it up.

james2025a

And i would say the character had a greater impact in those movies than in Sonys. So I would say Sony benefited even more for the Marvel appearances boosting ticket sales for their own solo Spiderman movies.

Deftones

Because they suck? Seriously, Marvel has churned out some of the best superhero movies ever. They have a track record. They know what they are doing. Sony? Not so much.

rennervision

I was so hoping Spider-Man was going to become the new "star" of the MCU like Iron Man had been. Very depressing news.

Mike86

Sonny Corinthos

If there's going to be "new" Spider-Man movies made, give us a live action Miles Morales Spider-Man film. Peter Parker has been done to death. Move on with Miles.

dex14

devilshalo

Sony can still continue the franchise and hire the same people without Marvel overseeing it and grabbing more of the profits. Looking at the next slate of MCU films, Spidey wouldn't play a very large part and why would Sony want to wait for particular release dates just to fit into the MCU? Between Holland and the Spider-verse.. Sony can build on that model. The big question is how Morbius and Venom 2 perform. The way things are set up now, with the possibility of a Kraven movie, is that it's heading towards what we've wanted all along.. a Sinister Six movie. And all profits (except for merchandising) goes into Sony's pocket. They just need to keep Pascal on in name only and not give her any say in the production of the film.

Now if Sony handles all of this like they did with MiB International, then we can talk about how much this all sucks.

Koby

Would rather have a Spider-Gwen live-action.

Miles can continue with the awesome Spider-verse animated films.

dex14

Draven

Deftones

Hypothetically speaking, is a larger share of profit from a sub $1 billion movie better than a smaller share from an over $1 billion grosser? To me, it seems like they shit the bed with the previous Garfield Spider-Man movies, then once the Marvel deal was struck, they hit paydirt. Why mess with a proven model? Dumb ass business always want more, more more. Just be happy you didn't fuck up Spider-Man franchise again and cash those fat checks. It's also hilarious that Sony was touting the last Spider-man as the highest grossing Sony movie ever just the other week. Enjoy that record, because once you take PP out of the MCU, you aren't ever sniffing that benchmark again.