Originally Posted by movieguru

He didn't stop himself from being frozen in the ice. He just stayed behing and didn't come back to the present time of End Game. So he lived his life becoming an old man at the end of End Game. but while he was becoming an old man he was also frozen in the ice and having the adventures with the Avengers. So there was basically two of the same Steve Rogers from whatever point in time he went to up until he was sent back in time.

Originally Posted by movieguru

He didn't stop himself from being frozen in the ice. He just stayed behing and didn't come back to the present time of End Game. So he lived his life becoming an old man at the end of End Game. but while he was becoming an old man he was also frozen in the ice and having the adventures with the Avengers. So there was basically two of the same Steve Rogers from whatever point in time he went to up until he was sent back in time.

Originally Posted by movieguru

Just saw this yesterday. It was a good, fun movie. But this version of Spider-Man is not really true to the character that makes Spider-Man who he is. Parker is not the cash strapped, socially isolated, high school nerd originally portray in the comics. There is no guilt over Uncle Ben's death. At this point I don't think he was ever mentioned so we don't even know if he ever exists in this version. Aunt May is even younger than the Ultimate version. He doesn't even call her "Aunt May", but just "May". None of the other supporting characters are anywhere near faithful to the comics. All they do is share the same name with their comic book counterpart. Their personalities and backstorys are not even close to the comic book versions. MJ is only MJ in name only. Same with Ned Leeds. Betty Brandt isn't slightly older and working for The Daily Bugle. She is in high school with everyone else and looked more like Gwen Stacy or Liz Allen than Betty Brandt. Flash isn't the bully he was in the comics. He seemed to just tease Peter like high school friends normally do with one another. Also the switching of races of so many characters just for the sake of switching races to make it appear they are being PC comes off as just the opposite. J Jonah Jameson was perfect. I'm glad they stayed with J K Simmons and not doing something drastic like having Morgan Freeman play him.

The way he can create different costumes now makes him more like a mix of Iron Man or Batman. There's not much reason for him to design a costume with out the web gliders under his arms. He does't need to use his web shooters to travel from building to building. He can climb up a tall building, jump off and use the gliders to pretty much fly around the city. Since he has Stark's technology when making costumes, why wouldn't he just build in repulsor blasts, missiles, and other weapons when he is fighting villains. Why limit himself, when he can simply add additional abilities to aid him in easily easily defeating these villians? As someone mentined earlier, all he would have need to do was have the costume have infra red built in and he would have easily been able to get around anything Mysterio could throw at him. The one other odd thing, his costume appeared to be more armor like in the last fight sequence. Why would it not have been or been made to be fire retardant? It caught on fire in one of the scenes and he had to take a quick dip into the river to put the fire on his costume out.

One thing I was curious about, was the Black Widow a public figure in the MCU? She is supposed to be a spy, but in the opening sequence they mention her death as if she is a household name. I can see them not being able to hide Tony Stark's death as he was a public figure in the MCU, but I wouldn't think the Black Widow would be. They also refer to Captain America as being dead when he really is not. Why would the Avengers or what's left of them even hold a press conference or let the general public know about how they defeated Thanos? You would think they would be a little more covert in their operations. Did they go public and explain everything that happened to them like the time travel and everything else?

Originally Posted by OldBoy

So if Fury and Hill were really Skrulls the whole time, if they were really there, would they have been fooled so easily by Beck? If Fury were really there he probably could have stopped all, somehow, much sooner and it would be like the movie never happened. Right?

Originally Posted by Orbi-Wan Techno

Originally Posted by d2cheer

Pretty torn on this. Saw it yesterday and thought it was a whole bunch of meh. The whole let's have Spider-Man take on the elementals was ludicrous. There should have been a better explanation why he was specifically needed and all they gave was piss poor lazy all the others are busy BS. That unfortunately set the tone for me. Some parts were OK. The actors just seemed to phone it in mostly Jackson. May be that was the point to show him acting differently because he was a skrull but it didn't work for me.

2.5/5 for me. The more I think about it the less I like it.

Originally Posted by Red Hood

He still changed time. That second Steve Rogers that went back changed Peggy Carter's whole life, thus changing the development of SHIELD and her marriage to the other guy from her show.

Originally Posted by Goldberg74

Originally Posted by whotony

I think you may have gone to get popcorn and missed most of the movie.

Originally Posted by whotony

My short review of Orbi's review.

It's exactly my thought as well.
Two Thumbs Up

Originally Posted by whotony

I think you may have gone to get popcorn and missed most of the movie.

Originally Posted by Red Hood

He still changed time. That second Steve Rogers that went back changed Peggy Carter's whole life, thus changing the development of SHIELD and her marriage to the other guy from her show.

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt

The person snapping the Infinity Gauntlet would have power over that. Since Tony did the snapping, he most likely assured everyone returned safely.

Originally Posted by movieguru

There's a lot of logic issues with the whole snap and post snap. If all of a sudden half the people on the planet disappear, you would have a lot of mass suicides with people that could not deal with what just happened. The stock market would crash. All the major banks would fall as there would be at least 50% of the people that would now be defaulting on their mortages. There may not be enough skilled labor in certain industries to keep society running. Post snap, you would now all of a sudden have twice as many people on the earth you did a few seconds before. Since five years in they would only have been producing enough food to feed the decreased population, you would now have people starving to death. you would have a lot of people that came back that couldn't go back to living where they were because someone else was living there. Your spouse may have remarried. Your job would be gone so there would be massive unemployment. All your belongings would be gone. It would be major pandemonium, but none of this is really reflected in the new movie. It just makes it look like everything is back to normal. I doubt they will ever address much of ramifications and just say everything is back to normal.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flix

Tony was a genius, so I suppose it's possible he would have considered all these contingencies when he snapped, but it doesn't seem that he did (considering that different people were living in Aunt May's apartment, for instance).

Originally Posted by Mike86

Originally Posted by Mr. Flix

I had a good time watching this movie, but ultimately I think it ranks among the MCU's lesser movies.

Knowing beforehand that Mysterio is a villain, it was pretty easy to guess that all of the initial fights were staged. So I was simply waiting for the mid-point of the movie for his true motivations to be revealed. The movie felt like it was spinning its wheels until the bar scene. Things picked up after that, but I still never felt like there was any tension whatsoever. The movie was so lighthearted (and, at times, silly) that never for a second did I think any of the main characters were in danger. The Happy/students scene in the vault was played for laughs (the whole, "I'm going to die so I'll reveal my funny secrets" is a huge movie cliche at this point), and the number of drone bullets that Spider-Man managed to avoid eventually got ridiculous. Compare all of this to the car scene in the first movie, where Toomes figured out Parker's identity -- that scene was thick with tension. Nothing in this movie even came close.

My wife and son didn't know anything about Mysterio before watching the movie, so his turn was more of a surprise for them, and so the movie worked better for them than it did for me.

It was still a fun movie and I did laugh a lot and Tom Holland remains one of the best casting decisions in the entire MCU. I appreciate that they went for a much lighter tone following the heaviness of Infinity War/Endgame, but ultimately it makes the movie a little to lite and forgettable. Honestly, the most exciting moment of the entire movie was the JJJ credit scene and it was the only moment that elicited a verbal reaction from the crowd I was with.

Originally Posted by Mike86