Norm de Plume

^Ah, yes, of course. The victims were all hookers, so the police didn't care. It's a plausible accusation, or at least it can be, but not when there are upwards of 40 murders and so many investigators of disparate backgrounds.
I'll look into a few of the books on the case. I don't want to read the Rule book. I'm sure a better author tackled the subject.

rennervision

Figured this would be a movie about Gamestop.

melasnus

In the Green River case, Rule happened to have personally known a lot of the cops and other people associated in the investigation from her Bundy days.
She was in the perfect time and place to report on all of it.

Norm de Plume

That is true. Her book about Bundy was one of her best, in part because she sat next to him at the suicide call centre, so the story was more personal. My complaint about her is that her objective seemed to be to crank out as many books as she could, without much regard for quality. Her writing was, for the most part, rote and undistinguished compared to the more eloquent true crime writers. (Mind you, I have almost every book she ever wrote, because they are big and fat and good value for money.)
Among her best books were Bitter Harvest and Small Sacrifices, and some of her novellas/stories were more memorable than others; two that spring to mind are the story about the wild, monstrous red-haired man who murdered a woman's parents and daughter, who lived down the street from her, if I remember right, and she worriedly arrived at the scene minutes after it occurred; and another, the creepy story of an antique dealer named Larry (?), a serial killer in-the-making, who sexually abused and killed two men in an isolated forest before being shot and killed by his intended next victim, who then ran partially bound and naked out of the woods. Those two tales were like something out of a horror movie.
Also fascinating and haunting was the story of the woman who vanished into thin air while driving home in the late-'70s. As it turned out, she hadn't been abducted and killed, as was initially suspected, but had mistakenly driven unnoticed off a high Seattle bridge. Her car and body were discovered many years later at the bottom of the body of water, after a clever investigator followed up a hunch.

dex14

This is up on Netflix tomorrow. Currently 60% on RT: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ext..._evil_and_vile

Brack

TomOpus

I was hoping to get an answer for why Liz was a love-interest and not a victim. Was Bundy originally going to kill her but changed his mind? And what changed it?

Norm de Plume

Some serial killers have separate, normal lives. They compartmentalize, doing their dastardly deeds to slake their thirst for murder and then heading home to girlfriends or wives, families, jobs, friends.
Elizabeth Kloepfer was his girlfriend for five years. I don't think he ever intended to kill her.

brayzie

I saw Zac Efron promoting this movie on Ellen. It was surreal because I thought that this movie would have faced a lot more backlash in light of the #MeToo movement. But Ellen, a #MeToo supporter, was right there with Efron doing mental gymnastics to justify this movie.

Why Netflix Ted Bundy Zac Efron Movie Is So Problematic -Refinery29

Lily Collins says she was visited by the ghosts of Ted Bundy's victims-Newsweek

I guess this is Collins way/the studios way of countering the criticism of making a movie like this. "Hey, the victims wanted this movie to get made."
What the fuck is wrong with people?

And this...it's hard to believe that a writer for Newsweek is going along with this shit.

rbrown498

I agree that it's hard to believe that this article came from the once-revered Newsweek. It's rather sad that the organization's standards have taken such a nosedive in such a short amount of time. Did you also notice the misused word in that last quote that was posted?: "The actor sited 3:05 as the time she'd wake up on these occasions, which is one of the first minutes of the believed, haunted time." That's an awful sentence to begin with, but using the wrong word? Has Newsweek completely done away with copy editors, or at least the competent ones?

RichC2

Newsweek was sold in 2013, formally spun off again last year, and is now basically run like BuzzFeed-lite. Most employees of the original have left or been fired, others think it's a front for money laundering for a Christian cult.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...and-journalism

It'll make an interesting documentary/movie some day.

melasnus

Back-in-the-day, I loved Newsweek...required reading at the time.
Like others, the internet killed it.

Norm de Plume

True. I often notice glaring errors in my local paper. Print orgs just don't have the readership to pay for editors anymore.

JeffTheAlpaca

The title is misleading and I thought I was going to see some demented twisted sadistic shit. I did not watch the trailer or read the plot description.





James Hetfield had a cameo as a cop and did not know that until I saw him listed in the closing credits.

Brack

JeffTheAlpaca

Yes but show some of that stuff and don't just talk about it and that would be worse than any horror movie

Troy Stiffler

Brack

RichC2

There's another recent Bundy movie banking on that fact.

JeffTheAlpaca

It was shown in a few select theaters


https://www.romper.com/p/can-you-see...tings-17292144

Troy Stiffler

Did you guys really want another gross serial killer movie with a bunch of dead bodies? To me, that gruesome genre (starting with gross body horror movies like Hostel an Saw) is over. I'm sure it'll be reinvented by some clever filmmakers.

This movie was far better than a gory serial killer movie with screaming damsels in distress.

Decker

I heard something that originally the director wanted it to be a surprise that you were watching the Ted Bundy story, not revealed until the third act. Word would have gotten out anyway so I'm glad they didn't do that. Still that kind of informs the thinking behind this movie -- it wants to be more about relationship dynamics than about how a serial killer functions.

sauce07

Heard him on a podcast talking about it. The original script hid that it was Ted Bundy till the very end. It was on the blacklist for a while, studios kept trying to make it but never pulled the trigger. The director came in and moved up the reveal to about half way through the movie, he said that by hiring a movie star, the cat was out of the bag anyways. I did notice that they only called him Ted for about the first 45 min, thought it was interesting. I think with a different title, they could've kept it hidden longer.