Sonic The Hedgehog (2020, D: Fowler) S: Carrey, Marsden, Schwartz
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How do you fuck up the design of a character so badly when he was essentially animated for you to begin with?
Much like TMNT/Transformers people in Hollywood are spending lots of money to change simple details which only takes away from the nostalgia they are trying to sell in the first place.
Much like TMNT/Transformers people in Hollywood are spending lots of money to change simple details which only takes away from the nostalgia they are trying to sell in the first place.
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How do you fuck up the design of a character so badly when he was essentially animated for you to begin with?
Much like TMNT/Transformers people in Hollywood are spending lots of money to change simple details which only takes away from the nostalgia they are trying to sell in the first place.
Much like TMNT/Transformers people in Hollywood are spending lots of money to change simple details which only takes away from the nostalgia they are trying to sell in the first place.
I for one applaud them for being willing to throw that away and start over. It can't be cheap to do that. Hell it took them..what approximately 3 billion transformers movies before they FINALLY gave fans a design aesthetic they wanted.
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I hope all the people celebrating about the redesign actually go and see this movie. I thought the design looked like butt (shockingly so), but I'm not invested in this at all, and will never watch this movie (this movie looks like it has more problems then just a bad design, and even then it doesn't feel like a movie aimed at a 37 year old man). However, for the fans with responses akin to acting like they've toppled the Axis of Evil or some shit -- them fools best be in the theater opening weekend.
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I hope all the people celebrating about the redesign actually go and see this movie. I thought the design looked like butt (shockingly so), but I'm not invested in this at all, and will never watch this movie (this movie looks like it has more problems then just a bad design, and even then it doesn't feel like a movie aimed at a 37 year old man). However, for the fans with responses akin to acting like they've toppled the Axis of Evil or some shit -- them fools best be in the theater opening weekend.
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I really am not trying to shit on anyone's joy or enthusiasm, but this kinda reaction just feels off to me. I can't quite put my finger on why.
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I hope all the people celebrating about the redesign actually go and see this movie. I thought the design looked like butt (shockingly so), but I'm not invested in this at all, and will never watch this movie (this movie looks like it has more problems then just a bad design, and even then it doesn't feel like a movie aimed at a 37 year old man). However, for the fans with responses akin to acting like they've toppled the Axis of Evil or some shit -- them fools best be in the theater opening weekend.
Personally I like the idea that Sonic is being redesigned, but I don’t have a lot of investment in seeing the film either way. I like the character and games, but I wouldn’t say I’m a huge fan where I desperately wanted a film in the first place. I just think it’s cool the studio and director are actually listening to what people want, which is fairly rare.
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Even if they fix the look of Sonic, that's not going to change the fact that the trailer made the movie look like garbage.
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dvdtalkers: But but but FAN SERVICE IS BAAAAAAAADDDDD
Make up yer minds Nerds!
Make up yer minds Nerds!
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The movie looks terrible and I won't see it. I have no affection for Sonic. But if anyone does want to see it, they at least deserve an animated character who actually looks like the previous versions of this animated character, so I'm glad they are making the change.
Of course, they could have avoided this added expense by simply showing the design to anyone who knows what Sonic actually looks like.
Of course, they could have avoided this added expense by simply showing the design to anyone who knows what Sonic actually looks like.
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The studio could have just ignored what the fans wanted as is often the case and left the design as is. I would imagine a lot of the fans who shit on the design are big Sega/Sonic fans who would have seen the film anyways and now maybe are doing so a tad less begrudgingly. Even if they don’t though I don’t see why they beat see it. I mean what happens if they don’t? A sequel isn’t made? Big deal if it ends up being a bad film.
ETA: I'm talking about the people who were demanding the design be changed, and/or acting like some great assualt was done to them because the design was not good/too their liking. Not people who were just like this looks fugly.
Last edited by boredsilly; 05-03-19 at 01:28 PM.
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I doubt it's a case of the studio listening to the fans. They're probably worried that the Sonic trailer is trending only massive negative reactions. They're not going to waist money re-doing the CGI just to make some die-hard 90s Sega nerds happy.
I never really knew the backstory on Sonic the Hedgehog when I was playing the video games, but I just assumed it took place on some kind of fantasy world that was populated only by talking animals, like Goof Troop and Ducktales. So I would think a full on, CGI fantasy movie would have been more appropriate. That's probably too costly so they're going the Masters of the Universe route and just making it take place on present day Earth.
Apparently there's two different backstories for Sonic.
U.S. version.
Japan version.
It seems like the Japanese version could have easily been adapted into a live-action Sonic-on-Earth film. Kind of like the Christopher Robin film that came out last year. Have the little girl, now grown up, see Sonic and exclaim, "OMG! Sonic, you're real!" That way they could still have it be live-action in the "real" world, but still have Sonic's more cartoony-like form make sense.
Last edited by brayzie; 05-03-19 at 06:20 PM.
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I mean the director is the one who came out and said that they heard the reactions and are reacting by making the change. I’m sure a lot of those downvotes are from fans not happy with the look.
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When the first Transformers film came out, yeah, there were old-school Transformers fans who bemoaned the robot designs, but that seemed drowned out by the excitement of a big budget, spectacle featuring live-action giant anime mechas fighting for the first time.
Plus, the Detective Pikachu trailer did it first. That one looks 100x better, and Pikachu looks exactly the same as he does in the video games.
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re: Sonic The Hedgehog (2020, D: Fowler) S: Carrey, Marsden, Schwartz
I may be totally wrong (probably) but the tone of this story kind of makes me think this conversation may have happened:
Director: ... and here is our design for Sonic.
Studio Exec: No, no, no. We need to redesign the character. It needs to be more human so people will connect with him. It should be more realistic.
Director: Uhh ... fans are going to hate it.
Studio Exec: People cannot connect to a cartoon. It needs to be realistic. Plus we need to sell new merchandise!
After the trailer ...
Director: Told you so.
Studio Exec: ***** you.
Director: ... and here is our design for Sonic.
Studio Exec: No, no, no. We need to redesign the character. It needs to be more human so people will connect with him. It should be more realistic.
Director: Uhh ... fans are going to hate it.
Studio Exec: People cannot connect to a cartoon. It needs to be realistic. Plus we need to sell new merchandise!
After the trailer ...
Director: Told you so.
Studio Exec: ***** you.
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I may be totally wrong (probably) but the tone of this story kind of makes me think this conversation may have happened:
Director: ... and here is our design for Sonic.
Studio Exec: No, no, no. We need to redesign the character. It needs to be more human so people will connect with him. It should be more realistic.
Director: Uhh ... fans are going to hate it.
Studio Exec: People cannot connect to a cartoon. It needs to be realistic. Plus we need to sell new merchandise!
After the trailer ...
Director: Told you so.
Studio Exec: ***** you.
Director: ... and here is our design for Sonic.
Studio Exec: No, no, no. We need to redesign the character. It needs to be more human so people will connect with him. It should be more realistic.
Director: Uhh ... fans are going to hate it.
Studio Exec: People cannot connect to a cartoon. It needs to be realistic. Plus we need to sell new merchandise!
After the trailer ...
Director: Told you so.
Studio Exec: ***** you.
The studio execs probably saw the success of GOTG and the way people responded to Rocket Raccoon. So they had Sonic designed more in that direction, as opposed to the recognizable cartoon version.
Last edited by brayzie; 05-03-19 at 09:45 PM.
#96
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Rocket Raccoon, in all honesty, should have been a failure on the big screen. However, they somehow made it work for him. Sonic never needed to be Rocket's earth lovechild.
#97
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seems like a solid redo
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The problem with Sonic's look is they tried to make him look "human like." I don't that the correct choice of words but i'm running with it. I don't understand why they just didn't create him to look like his video game self, instead of a guy wearing a blue suit with bad dentures.
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I don't get why there is outrage over Sonic's eyes. It doesn't change that the movie looks like shit and I have no need to see it.