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Old 02-19-18, 10:47 AM
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Outside of really enjoying the movie, since this dealt with should they share all their tech with the world, it just brings me back to the fact that "oh yeah, aliens exist and tried to destroy the world a few years ago". Yet it seems life continues to go on in 99.999999999% of the exact same way in the MCU and Netflix shows as it did pre-invasion. Why didn't they help with New York or immediately after?

Maybe that's too much of the "Star Trek unified world once aliens arrived" naivety in me but it's something that's always there.
Well Spider-Man Homecoming was about the repercussions of the alien invasion.
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Good point. That speaks to a bigger thing : Somehow, and for reasons that aren't explained, Waconda has become this isolated, secret technological marvel that hides itself from the outside world. For whatever the reason is, they felt strongly that it was this important and kept that way for many, many years. Seems a little rash for T'Challa to suddenly and unilaterally change the country's entire policy.
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Good point. That speaks to a bigger thing : Somehow, and for reasons that aren't explained, Waconda has become this isolated, secret technological marvel that hides itself from the outside world. For whatever the reason is, they felt strongly that it was this important and kept that way for many, many years. Seems a little rash for T'Challa to suddenly and unilaterally change the country's entire policy.
Especially since their policy wasn't changed based on an alien invasion a few years ago. I agree with his changing viewpoint based on the events in the BP movie a lot more if you take away the alien invasion aspect of the MCU. I've only seen Homecoming once and yes it dealt with struggles a salvage owner had but still, I don't know, it just seems like the world should be a bit more "peace on earth" because KILLER ALIENS. I dunno, ha.

And don't get me wrong, still think it's an amazing movie that lived up to the recent hype.
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You'd have to ask T'Challa's father since he was the one that kept a tight reign on Wakanda. Outside of a few, Klause being one, no one knew about the place and those that had heard of it took it to mean it was a place of legend like Atlantis or something.
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Not to get political but there was obviously a mirroring of our current political climate with the Wakanda first policy. They're not coming out into the world to help the world, they're coming to help the oppressed (black people). At least that's what I got out of it.
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The first post credits scene where T'Challa says "in times of crisis, the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers" certainly comes off as a not so veiled shot at the Trump administration
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She has aged amazingly well. She's 10 years older than me, but she looks the same age as me. Hell, if she dyed her hair she might look even younger than me! (And I don't really look quite my age, either.)

She just comes across as a classy, sophisticated, intelligent woman - who also happens to be drop dead gorgeous!
It is a crime against comic book cinema that she wasn't cast as Storm instead of Halle Barry.
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Just finished. IMO didn't quite live up to the hype. I left a little disappointed. I liked it but didn't love it. It is a different type of Marvel movie, and almost very slow in some parts. I don't know. I need to think about it some more, and I may like it more on a 2nd viewing.

I liked all the characters, and everyone did well but the first 40-45 mins was pretty slow for me. It picked up in Korea, but then back off again afterwards. 3 scenes in the ethereal seemed like a lot. Losing his kingship seemed like a better story for the sequel, not the first one when he just became king.

Theater was packed though. Not much reaction aside from the comedy bits. No applause at the end.

IDK. Gotta sleep on this one.
very similar feelings. while it definitely is in top 1/3rd of Marvel movies, I don't think it was their best. The production of it was great as were performances, but some of the stuff just fell flat to me.

I'll also agree that the first fight sequence in the jungle with the trucks was absurdly dark. you couldn't see shit going on.
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Re: Black Panther (Coogler, 2018) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

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Good point. That speaks to a bigger thing : Somehow, and for reasons that aren't explained, Waconda has become this isolated, secret technological marvel that hides itself from the outside world. For whatever the reason is, they felt strongly that it was this important and kept that way for many, many years. Seems a little rash for T'Challa to suddenly and unilaterally change the country's entire policy.
Such is the privilege of the king. Regardless, it makes sense as T'Challa is not only more compassionate than his forebears, he also just faced a crucible that I'm not sure previous rulers had in Killmonger. That was a good lesson that not only was Wakanda's isolationist policies having a negative effect on the world at large, they were also ultimately harmful to Wakanda.
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Props to Coogler for another nice one take action sequence.
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It is a crime against comic book cinema that she wasn't cast as Storm instead of Halle Barry.
It apparently wasn't for lack of trying, since I read that Bassett turned it down. Perhaps she thought it was beneath her at the time... and maybe it was. There isn't much to the role of Storm in the first movie... or any of the sequels for that matter.

Considering X-Men ushered in the current superhero blockbuster craze, she had no way of knowing what a hot property it would become.

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Props to Coogler for another nice one take action sequence.
Which one was it? I didn't notice, but I didn't in Creed either. I hope he makes that his trademark. I'm interested to see him make an original action movie that isn't part of a franchise.
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Which one was it? I didn't notice, but I didn't in Creed either. I hope he makes that his trademark. I'm interested to see him make an original action movie that isn't part of a franchise.
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My wife saw someone post this, but it was something to the effect of how Marvel and the MCU has redeemed two Human Torch actors now
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It apparently wasn't for lack of trying, since I read that Bassett turned it down. Perhaps she thought it was beneath her at the time... and maybe it was. There isn't much to the role of Storm in the first movie... or any of the sequels for that matter.

Considering X-Men ushered in the current superhero blockbuster craze, she had no way of knowing what a hot property it would become.
Bassett's's agents wanted more money.

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Just got back from this. I thought it was very good but not the best. Great action, great characters, decent story. It did get a little slow in parts. One of my nit picks was the lighting. Not sure if it was my theater or the movie. But if you take a dark skinned character, put them in dark clothing, then put them in a dark environment, move them around really fast and shake the camera you get some of the scenes were hard to follow. Probably a third of the movie was in some sort of nighttime or cave dwelling scene.
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i don't want to read thread yet, but if anyone saw this in 3D, can you please pm me and let me know if worth it or not. Appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
My son and I saw it on LieMAX 3D and I didn't think that it was worth it. Very little extra depth and no pop-outs that I remember. Beautiful picture though and excellent sound design.

I, like others here, thought the movie was good but not great. Enjoyable but way too long and pretty serious the entire time (the exact polar opposite of the recent Thor movie).

I would cut at least 20 minutes out and tightened it up. That wouldn't be too hard as several scenes and characters could have been easily cut and never missed.

The biggest issue is that the villain is far more interesting and charismatic than the lead hero. Killmonger steals ever scene he is in and is really the only interesting character in the film (except for the Gorilla King).

And they fucking killed him. Stupid. He would have been a nice addition to the Marvel film universe if they could have turned him good.

Who knows...Bucky returned...

My rating: ***1/2 out of *****
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Re: Black Panther (Coogler, 2018) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

I think it's interesting how some here have said this movie is too long and some have also said Wonder Woman last summer was also too long.

So for those guys, is the consensus that 130-140+ minute Super Hero movies are too long and exhausting to watch? Or was it the editing and pacing that caused it to feel too long? I don't seem to recall any complaints that Captain American: Winter Soldier or Civil War were too long or dragged. Both of those movies were 135+ minutes each.
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I think it's interesting how some here have said this movie is too long and some have also said Wonder Woman last summer was also too long.

So for those guys, is the consensus that 130-140+ minute Super Hero movies are too long and exhausting to watch? Or was it the editing and pacing that caused it to feel too long? I don't seem to recall any complaints that Captain American: Winter Soldier or Civil War were too long or dragged. Both of those movies were 135+ minutes each.
It all depends on a movie's story and pacing. Black Panther could have been fine as a 135 minute movie if it hadn't dragged in places and several scenes/characters stood out as superfluous.

But that is the case of any and every movie.
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Saw it tonight and while I did like it (and gave it 4 stars here), I feel like the CGI was bad enough to warrant at least a half star reduction. I was cringing at times watching the action.

But, I thought it was fun and well acted.
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Saw it yesterday morning. Couldn't believe the showings were sold out completely on a Monday, but it was a holiday. I liked it, but didn't love it. Wow, way overhyped. This is not the greatest superhero movie of all time or even the best Marvel. I put in the mid-tier category along with Ant-Man. Perfect for a February release.

The character of Black Panther was just underwhelming to me. He felt like much more of a bad ass in Civil War. I wanted to see more tech and more Black Panther in the suit. I enjoyed the female warriors a lot more and it'll be fun to see how Wakanda contributes in the battle against Thanos.

Some small nitpicks, wow that had to be the least funniest Stan Lee cameo. The fight scenes outside of South Korea just lacked Marvel awesomeness, and I wanted to see more tech.
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I didn't think Black Panther dragged at all.

It was a character driven movie more than an action driven movie and that seems to have thrown some people who are a bit ADD when it comes to movies.

Since I grew up watching classic movies from the 30's to the 50's it seemed plenty fast paced to me and never dragged one bit. I found what the characters had to say in those dialogue driven scenes to be far more interesting than the action scenes themselves.

I wouldn't change a thing when it comes to the pacing of the movie.
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Saw it yesterday morning. Couldn't believe the showings were sold out completely on a Monday, but it was a holiday. I liked it, but didn't love it. Wow, way overhyped. This is not the greatest superhero movie of all time or even the best Marvel. I put in the mid-tier category along with Ant-Man. Perfect for a February release.

The character of Black Panther was just underwhelming to me. He felt like much more of a bad ass in Civil War. I wanted to see more tech and more Black Panther in the suit. I enjoyed the female warriors a lot more and it'll be fun to see how Wakanda contributes in the battle against Thanos.

Some small nitpicks, wow that had to be the least funniest Stan Lee cameo. The fight scenes outside of South Korea just lacked Marvel awesomeness, and I wanted to see more tech.
I see what you mean, racist a-hole...

I think I liked the movie better than you did, but I think some of the reviews for this movie are being skewed upward due to no one wanting to be the "asshole" who didn't like a movie that celebrates African culture by a prominent African American director. Similarly , I felt Lady Bird was merely a good movie and that its accolades came from no one wanting to look like a sexist a-hole in the midst of all the sexual misconduct allegations in Hollywood. So..take that FWIW.
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I liked the serious tone, I don't recall BP being all jokey in the comic books.. and he was dealing with some heavy issues. Just a slight touch of comedy was enough. Very similar to the first Thor in terms of tone. The MCU already has the new Thor, GotG and Ant-man (and Spider-man) to be amusing. I don't expect that kind of comedy in Cap's films.
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I wouldn't change a thing when it comes to the pacing of the movie.
I agree. The pacing was very good. I recall realizing, when the credits rolled, that I hadn’t even glanced at my watch during the movie, and that rarely happens.

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