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Old 01-24-18, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff
Just my thoughts on a couple of films being discussed ...

The Disaster Artist ... I haven’t seen this and I don’t intend to. It has nothing to do with Franco and any allegations ... it has to do with this being a film that laughs at its subject at the subject’s expense, not with its subject. For this reason, it is not a film that should be considered worthy of awards.
Clearly.
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff
The Disaster Artist ... I haven’t seen this and I don’t intend to. It has nothing to do with Franco and any allegations ... it has to do with this being a film that laughs at its subject at the subject’s expense, not with its subject.
I haven't seen The Disaster Artist, but I really want to. My understanding is that it shows much affection to both Tommy Wisaeu and The Room. So you might still want to check it out eventually.

Originally Posted by Abob Teff
Get Out ... for those who are saying this is a middling genre film, you only watched it for its surface value.
Originally Posted by Coral
The problem is that the social satire and everything the film does is pretty much on the surface, unless you're really not paying attention. There's no sub-text or deeper meaning that's not obvious. I think it would've worked out much better if they were more subtle and made people work for it.

Also, I went into this blind having no idea what it was about - and I figured out the twist long before it was revealed. I'm not sure if was meant to be so obvious or not.

The other thing was the TSA friend - his attempted comedic effect was just too out of place. Everywhere else the humour was much more subtle, but then when he's involved - it gets more wacky. Felt out of place and unfunny.

With that said, I still liked Get Out - I just think it's getting way too much praise.
I hate to just say "this," but... THIS. You captured my thoughts/opinions on this film exactly.

Originally Posted by tanman
Agree with all this. It's social commentary is unique and engaging but it's nothing revolutionary. It's a decent movie but people making it into what it isn't is just tiresome.
I agree the movie is engaging, but it's not unique. This movie very closely follows the blueprint created by The Stepford Wives (the original, not the Nicole Kidman abomination). I found Wives a heck of a lot more subtle and a heck of a lot more creepy (and, in the end, horrific) than Get Out. I'm actually surprised Get Out didn't get more flack for being a Wives retread.
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I figured the nomination for Get Out was to help the Oscars get some buzz and show they can be edgy. If anything, it might get some minority views to tune in that would normally never check out the show otherwise. God knows it could help the ratings. I don't think it has a chance in hell winning best picture. I would love to be wrong though.
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Originally Posted by mattysemo247
I figured the nomination for Get Out was to help the Oscars get some buzz and show they can be edgy. If anything, it might get some minority views to tune in that would normally never check out the show otherwise. God knows it could help the ratings. I don't think it has a chance in hell winning best picture. I would love to be wrong though.
To be fair, it's one of the most critically acclaimed movies of the year alongside Lady Bird.
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Originally Posted by Mabuse
Not a single nod for Wonder Woman? Not even costume or technical? Very Interesting.
I will never watch a movie again since Gadot was not nominated for best actress

I hope Dafoe gets an Oscar after all the great work he has done over his career and he seems like a cool down to earth guy.
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Originally Posted by Finisher
How much of a lock is del Toro? Just put a few bucks on Gerwig at +600.
After Barbra Streisand’s guilt trip at the Golden Globes my money is on Gerwig.
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Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
After Barbra Streisand’s guilt trip at the Golden Globes my money is on Gerwig.
I don't remember it getting anything at the Golden Globes.

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^ Oh shit! I didn’t even realize that was an actual movie.

Or maybe I did and I wrote that from my subconscious....
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Very disappointed Wind River didn’t get some nominations. My favorite movie of last year and I thought the acting was excellent. What am I missing?

Get Out did not work for me at all. The science/medicine aspect took me out of the film and ruined any chance I would like this film.
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Originally Posted by Ketamine
Very disappointed Wind River didn’t get some nominations. My favorite movie of last year and I thought the acting was excellent. What am I missing?
Collateral damage.

Weinstein Name Stripped From ‘Wind River’; Tunica-Biloxi Tribe Financiers To Pay For Oscar Campaign
http://deadline.com/2017/10/wind-riv...in-1202194393/

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Originally Posted by Ketamine
Very disappointed Wind River didn’t get some nominations. My favorite movie of last year and I thought the acting was excellent. What am I missing?
It was a lame, paint-by-numbers thriller?
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Originally Posted by dex14
Collateral damage.

Weinstein Name Stripped From ‘Wind River’; Tunica-Biloxi Tribe Financiers To Pay For Oscar Campaign
http://deadline.com/2017/10/wind-riv...in-1202194393/
The biggest winner of all the collateral damage is probably Denzel Washington,if the Weinstein news came out next month Renner is probably a Best Actor nominee,and if Franco's news came out 2-3 days later then Denzel doesn't make the last spot.
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Originally Posted by AaronHernandez
The biggest winner of all the collateral damage is probably Denzel Washington,if the Weinstein news came out next month Renner is probably a Best Actor nominee

Renner had zero heat in the awards season for this film. His only Best Actor nominations were from the North Texas Film Critics Awards and the Satellite Awards, whatever those are.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5362988/awards?ref_=tt_awd

and if Franco's news came out 2-3 days later then Denzel doesn't make the last spot.


That is probably right.
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Renner had zero heat in the awards season for this film. His only Best Actor nominations were from the North Texas Film Critics Awards and the Satellite Awards, whatever those are.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5362988/awards?ref_=tt_awd





That is probably right.
Renner's film is also 30% higher on RT then Denzel's and the Director/Writer of the project Taylor Sheridan's previous films Sicario and Hell Or High Water were huge presences the last 2 Oscar seasons. The reason Renner and the film had 0 awards presence is entirely due to the stench of Harvey's association with the film.It's not very typical for a studio to spend 0 dollars on a film in the campaing season on a well reviewed box office hit with multiple past Oscar nominees involved in the project. A lot of these critic's award are a bit of chicken and egg scenario where they nominate people who will be in Oscar contention,and since their was no campaign for this it was only gonna get scraps.
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I'm looking for a split vote again this year, as it's become common recently:

best director - Del Toro

best picture - Dunkirk
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I think BP is a toss up between Shape of Water and Three Billboards.

Director will go to Gerwig.
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Originally Posted by AaronHernandez
The reason Renner and the film had 0 awards presence is entirely due to the stench of Harvey's association with the film.It's not very typical for a studio to spend 0 dollars on a film in the campaing season on a well reviewed box office hit with multiple past Oscar nominees involved in the project. A lot of these critic's award are a bit of chicken and egg scenario where they nominate people who will be in Oscar contention,and since their was no campaign for this it was only gonna get scraps.
That's certainly a possibility for guild awards and the Golden Globes, but I don't think campaigns have much if anything to do with critic's awards as they've already seen everything.
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Originally Posted by raven56706
so did the allegations hurt Franco's nomination?
I heard somewhere, I think on NPR, that the voting for nominations took place before the allegations against Franco.
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Originally Posted by sherm42
I heard somewhere, I think on NPR, that the voting for nominations took place before the allegations against Franco.
Voting ended on Jan 12th, allegations started on the 7th/8th
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My Choices:

Best Picture:
“The Shape of Water”

Lead Actor:
Daniel Day-Lewis, “Phantom Thread”

Lead Actress:
Saoirse Ronan, “Lady Bird”

Supporting Actor:
Willem Dafoe, “The Florida Project”

Supporting Actress:
Laurie Metcalf, “Lady Bird”

Director:
“The Shape of Water,” Guillermo del Toro

Animated Feature:
“Coco”

Adapted Screenplay:
“The Disaster Artist,” Scott Neustadter & Michael H. Weber

Original Screenplay:
“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri,” Martin McDonagh

Cinematography:
“Blade Runner 2049,” Roger Deakins

Production Design:
“Blade Runner 2049″

Original Score:
“Star Wars: The Last Jedi,” John Williams

Costume Design:
“Phantom Thread”

Visual Effects:
“War for the Planet of the Apes”

I skipped a few categories where I have no idea what to vote for.
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My Choices:

Best Picture:
“Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri”

Lead Actor:
Gary Oldman, “The Darkest Hour”

Lead Actress:
Sally Hawkins, “The Shape of Water”

Supporting Actor:
Sam Rockwell, “Three Billboards...”

Supporting Actress:
Allison Janney, “I, Tonya”

Director:
“The Shape of Water” Guillermo del Toro

Animated Feature:
“Coco”

Adapted Screenplay:
“Call Me By Your Name”

Original Screenplay:
“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri,” Martin McDonagh, but would really love "The Big Sick"!

Cinematography:
“Dunkirk”

Production Design:
“Blade Runner 2049″

Original Score:
“Dunkirk”

Costume Design:
“Beauty and the Beast”

Visual Effects:
“Blade Runner 2049”
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^ I agree with all of Old Boy's picks except Best Actress, which I think will go to McDormand.

No way "The Shape of Water" wins best picture - too many voters think of it as a "sci-fi movie." If it's not Three Billboards, it's Dunkirk. But I don't think the acting branch of voters thinks much of that film...and rightfully so. It's technically brilliant, but character-vacant.
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^ I agree with all of Old Boy's picks except Best Actress, which I think will go to McDormand.

No way "The Shape of Water" wins best picture - too many voters think of it as a "sci-fi movie." If it's not Three Billboards, it's Dunkirk. But I don't think the acting branch of voters thinks much of that film...and rightfully so. It's technically brilliant, but character-vacant.
yeah, i am so torn on BA. McDormand def has the momentum (and she was just amazing), winning Globes and others and Hawkins doesn't even seem to be talked about so much anymore, so i may change mind at last minute...
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Filling out an Oscar nomination ballot — even a hypothetical one — can be an exercise in purest agony. That turned out to be especially true this year. I remain startled by the sheer quantity and range of great movies and performances I saw in 2017, which made it even harder than usual to settle on a short list of favorites.

In narrowing down my picks in the eight main Oscar categories, plus a few others, I tried my best to go with my gut and, as much as possible, to set aside the bandwagon mentality that tends to calcify into groupthink this time of year. Awards season always seeks consensus, but happily, this exercise requires a consensus of only one.

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences officially closed its nominations voting on Jan. 12 — nominations will be announced Jan. 23 — which means this faux ballot has no practical application for anyone except myself. All things considered, that's probably for the best.

BEST PICTURE
"Call Me by Your Name"
"Dunkirk"
"Ex Libris: The New York Public Library"
"The Florida Project"
"Get Out"
"Lady Bird"
"mother!"
"A Quiet Passion"
"Phantom Thread"
"War for the Planet of the Apes"

The academy's balloting system theoretically allows for 10 best picture nominees, though in recent years it's tended to stop at eight or nine. Still, in a year this good, I had no choice but to use all 10 slots and could easily have filled an additional five. In the interests of nipping a few reader emails in the bud: Yes, I did see "The Shape of Water" and "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri." Twice!

DIRECTOR
Paul Thomas Anderson, "Phantom Thread"
Sean Baker, "The Florida Project"
Greta Gerwig, "Lady Bird"
Luca Guadagnino, "Call Me by Your Name"
Christopher Nolan, "Dunkirk"

The word "immersive" got thrown around a lot with regard to Nolan's visceral direction on "Dunkirk," and rightly so. But the same adjective could apply no less to "Phantom Thread," "The Florida Project," "Lady Bird" and "Call Me by Your Name": Every one of them is an intensely personal piece of filmmaking that pulls you into a world utterly of its own making.

LEAD ACTRESS
Véro Tshanda Beya, "Félicité"
Vicky Krieps, "Phantom Thread"
Cynthia Nixon, "A Quiet Passion"
Saoirse Ronan, "Lady Bird"
Kristen Stewart, "Personal Shopper"

It's strange that even in a year roundly hailed as a strong one for actresses, some of the best female lead performances keep getting ignored. If movies released during the first half of the year got as much attention as those released during the second half, I imagine that Nixon and Stewart would be drawing more recognition.

For that matter, if academy voters took international cinema seriously, they might have spared a thought for Beya, a Congolese woman who had never acted on-screen before giving her mesmerizing performance in "Félicité" (shortlisted as Senegal's entry for the foreign-language film Oscar). Alas, in an awards race that tends to favor the most popular and/or the most overdue, even acting this revelatory doesn't stand a chance.

LEAD ACTOR
Timothée Chalamet, "Call Me by Your Name"
Daniel Day-Lewis, "Phantom Thread"
Daniel Kaluuya, "Get Out"
Robert Pattinson, "Good Time"
Vince Vaughn, "Brawl in Cell Block 99"

It pains me to omit the great Jean-Pierre Léaud for his magisterial, slow-motion death trip in "The Death of Louis XIV," but in the end, these five were, for me, unassailable.

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Tiffany Haddish, "Girls Trip"
Holly Hunter, "The Big Sick"
Lesley Manville, "Phantom Thread"
Laurie Metcalf, "Lady Bird"
Michelle Pfeiffer, "mother!"

Five minutes ago, my short list might have also included Betty Gabriel ("Get Out"), Beanie Feldstein ("Lady Bird"), Mary J. Blige ("Mudbound") and Maria Dragus ("Graduation"), but it was an awfully competitive year.

SUPPORTING ACTOR
Willem Dafoe, "The Florida Project"
Armie Hammer, "Call Me by Your Name"
Adam Sandler, "The Meyerowitz Stories (New and Selected)"
Algee Smith, "Detroit"
Michael Stuhlbarg, "Call Me by Your Name"

Dafoe's performance as a put-upon motel manager in "The Florida Project" offers the academy an all-too-rare opportunity: Voting members could bestow a career achievement prize that would just so happen to recognize an actor's very best work.

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY Kogonada, "Columbus"
Jordan Peele, "Get Out"
Greta Gerwig, "Lady Bird"
Paul Thomas Anderson, "Phantom Thread"
Terence Davies, "A Quiet Passion"

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
James Ivory, "Call Me by Your Name"
James Gray, "The Lost City of Z"
Aaron Sorkin, "Molly's Game"
Virgil Williams and Dee Rees, "Mudbound"
​​​​​​​Mark Bomback and Matt Reeves, "War for the Planet of the Apes"

An atypical year for the writing categories: I could have rattled off at least a half-dozen more original screenplay choices ("Graduation," "The Big Sick," "Dunkirk"), but found myself rather stumped for more adaptations. Perhaps originality isn't dead after all.

CINEMATOGRAPHY
Roger Deakins, "Blade Runner 2049"
Sayombhu Mukdeeprom, "Call Me by Your Name"
Hoyte van Hoytema, "Dunkirk"
Alexis Zabe, "The Florida Project"
"Phantom Thread"

And maybe film isn't dead, either: Four of these five pictures were shot, magnificently, on 35-millimeter celluloid. One of them is "Phantom Thread," which doesn't have a director of photography credit; Anderson has described the cinematography as a "collaborative effort."

FOREIGN-LANGUAGE FILM
"After the Storm" (Japan)
"BPM (Beats per Minute)" (France)
"Graduation" (Romania)
"Loveless" (Russia)
"Nocturama" (France)

Two French-language films might seem a bit excessive — unless, that is, you've actually seen these two. In any event, this being a hypothetical ballot, I feel no obligation to abide by the academy's list of official submissions or its long-standing one-film-per-country rule, which is almost as outmoded as the electoral college.

DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
"Dawson City: Frozen Time"
"Ex Libris: The New York Public Library"
"Faces Places"
"Quest"
"The Work"

Frederick Wiseman received an honorary Oscar last year, which doesn't begin to compensate for the ludicrous fact that he has never once been nominated in this category. His "Ex Libris" is just the sort of career-summarizing masterwork with which the academy could finally begin to make amends.

Justin Chang is a film critic for the Los Angeles Times and forNPR’s “Fresh Air,” and a regular contributor to KPCC's “FilmWeek.”Before joining The Times, he was chief film critic at Variety. He is the author of the book “FilmCraft: Editing” and serves as chair of the National Society of Film Critics and secretary of the Los Angeles Film Critics Assn. In 2014 he received the inaugural Roger Ebert Award from the African-American Film Critics Assn. A Southern California native and USC graduate, he lives with his wife and daughter in Pasadena.
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