B5Erik

The original Star Wars took place in about 2 days.

davidh777

Yeah, he was one of the Weasleys and has been in a number of things recently—Ex Machina, About Time, Black Mirror, etc.

Why So Blu?

Liked the film a lot. Glad it did its own thing rather than play off some bullshit template like FA did. Glad this answered tons of questions, mainly, that they were all red herrings. Love that shit. It's cool that it's not playing on people's false expectations where it's going. In fact, now you really don't know where it's going. $$$$$$

I think my screening dropped a collective turd when the rebel ship jump sliced through Snoke's ship -- that was amazing.

Why So Blu?

Even Kylo clarifies it for her: your parents were slave traders, nobodies, that sold you for drinks and when they died, were buried in pauper graves. The butthurt of folks really wanting it to be more than that is quite funny. #delicioustears

fujishig

I thought it was pretty meta for him to say because her parents were "nobodies" that she didn't even belong in the story, since that's how a lot of fans are reacting. Like it would have been a lot better for Luke or Leia to have a daughter they don't even know or recognize, and who they willingly abandoned as a little girl. Or for her to be the descendants of some relatively obscure book character, or tie in to Rebels, or heck, be like Anakin and be born from midichlorians.

tanman

One thing I really hate to comment on but after listening to the soundtrack for The Last Jedi I have to say that I'm not impressed at all. As a huge John Williams fan it really pains me to say that about any of his soundtracks let alone a Star Wars soundtrack. At first I wasn't too fond of TFA soundtrack either but it really grew on me. John Williams is really good at themes. Just a few notes from any of his iconic soundtracks and you are immediately transported back to the setting of that movie. While TFA had much more subtle themes than any other Star Wars movies they were still there. Rey's theme specifically evoke both a sense of mystery as well as a sense of quiet confidence. He nails the character immediately. He does the same thing with the music for the First Order. Evoking an evolved sort of imperial march. A kind of modern evil as opposed to an old school evil. Of course his other work in Star Wars needs no introduction. From the imposing imperial march to the contemplatively sad theme of Yoda to the haunting Duel of the Fates, his work has always been iconic and descriptive.

With The Last Jedi upon my first viewing I thought that maybe I had missed some of the theming in the soundtrack like I had with TFA. The only notes that I could pick up on were the liberal use of previous themes i.e. Leia's theme, Yoda's theme, etc. But after listening to the soundtrack on it's own I'm saddened to realize that the entire soundtrack is atmospheric. It's very generic and IMHO some of his worst work. It really feels phoned in. The only high notes of the soundtrack are when he recycles themes from the OT. Even the battle of Crait he basically uses the soundtrack from the battle of Yavin. I hate to say it but I wonder if he's just gotten to the point where he is unable to handle a job of this magnitude.

candyrocket786

How do you expect fans to react when they're misled by the first film (which now seems intentional/malicious given how much it was hyped) and there didn't seem to be a plan/outline? How about the fans that spent money on the additional novelizations, comics and other reading materials (by this new Story Team) so they could get more details about everything post-Jedi only to learn absolutely nothing about these characters introduced in TFA.

This might be a shocker, but folks don't like being dicked around with....especially when it comes to time/money.

rennervision

Sadly, I feel either John Williams is losing his touch or the production of these films is too rushed to compose a meaningful score. Either way it is another disappointing apect of TLJ.

fumanstan

Even though I liked the movie overall myself, i'm not sure why you're so flabbergasted that you have friends that didn't like the movie or had a negative reaction. Actual user reviews for the movie are all over the place versus critics, so its not really out of the ordinary.

mcnabb

I have no problem with Random Rey as i honestly cared less and less about since TFA.

But what is lame is Luke/Anakin Lightsaber calls out to her, and then when she force grabs the Lightsaber in TFA, they play Luke’s music, so it makes no sense that she is not a Skywalker in that context. Again, I stopped caring last year about who Rey was, but TFA and TLJ really don’t jive as a narrative together.

From what I read is that Rian Johnson had freedom to take the story where he wanted and pretty much discounted a lot of JJ’s mystery boxes. I blame Disney for these misleading answers as either they should have told JJ not to have so many mystery boxes or told Rian Johnson that he and JJ had to be on the same page in answering them.

spsimmons

I'll bet in the next movie, Luke as a force ghost reveals who Rey's parents are. That seems pretty Star-Wars-like to me.

candyrocket786

I bet by that time, nobody will truly give a shit. Mission accomplished.

Mr. Flix

"You've changed your hair" was also the first thing Han Solo said to Leia in The Force Awakens. It was a re-used "gag" (I use the term loosely, because I think there were infinitely funnier lines she could've come up with if she wanted to ease the tension).

Michael Corvin

These have to be the butthurt fans that complain about a backstory. The Emperor had NO backstory. People didn't complain, he was just the fucking Emporer. Some of the arguments levvied against this film are cracking me up when you compare them to the OT.

It's not about what the audience wanted, it's about what was directly implied in the previous film and then abandoned.

Now, that's lame.

I posted it earlier in the thread, but Kylo was goading her on to attack. They aren't friends. The mind link didn't suddenly make them best buds and out of the kindness of his heart, Kylo is doing Rey a favor and telling her what she wants to hear. In fact, if Rey couldn't deduce it while in the Force cave, how did Kylo pull that info out of her head with a blink of an eye?

Nope. I'm still convinced he was just egging her on to fight. He's a petulant child with a temper problem. There is nothing in his character's history that would indicate he's telling the truth. This is the same guy that acted all lost and confused with Han "I'm conflicted dad, but since talking to you I know what I have to do. Thanks pops." Slice. That's the Kylo that has been developed on screen, not the one whose heart grew three sizes that day and is helping out another character.

Actually, it's kind of a genius setup as Lucasfilm can feel out which way they want to take it based on audience reactions.

Not even remotely. SW nerds will lose their shit all over again. They are apparently an extremely fickle bunch.

mcnabb

I agree as I feel the ‘who is Rey’s parents’ was already losing steam among the fans leading up to TLJ. This was the movie to explore it but now you alienated people and it’s more of a punchline at this point.

stingermck

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS:
- Kept things pretty safe!
- Got torn apart by Star Wars fans for keeping things pretty safe.

STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI:
- Took a bunch of risks!
- Got torn apart by Star Wars fans for taking a bunch of risks.

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— Brian Altano (@agentbizzle) December 15, 2017

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Super X

Out of curiosity, what in TFA did you feel misled people into believing that Rey's parents were important/related to Skywalkers/etc.? There's a difference between being misled and making incorrect assumptions.

candyrocket786

How the hell do know you that? Did you and a select few have the Internet back in '83? Did you conduct focus groups? Were you guys using a beta-version of IMDB or dvdtalk that we don't know about?

Big Boy Laroux

I'm not butthurt - but a little snoke background would be good simply because he appeared to be old, yet was not involved in the OT in any capacity. So immediately, the first question that comes to mind is - "who is this dude and where has he been?" Would be nice to know something.

With the emperor, we had no knowledge of the star wars universe. So a big bad could indeed just be "there" with no real backstory.

candyrocket786

Knowing now that they are just making it up as they go... it's pointless to argue/debate the topic anymore.

Orbi-Wan Techno

The ONLY applause at our screening was when Luke told Kylo "See you around, kid.".

The biggest laugh was when Luke brushed off his shoulder after he walked out of the dust cloud from the First Order blasting his position.

rocket1312

Thank you. I must have missed that line.

Michael Corvin

That's an easy one. ROTJ has been eviscercated over the years and out of all those complaints, I don't recall anyone complaining about the Emporer's backstory.

Cut to 15 years later when the PT was announced... I can just remember all the buzz from fans wanting more backstory on the Emporer.

Anakin's lightsaber specifally calling to her. Luke's theme being used. Maz also kind of implied her importance as well, IIRC. Or if you prefer Kenobi's lineage, the audio cue of Obi-wan that was used.

Or how about Rey going into a Force cave to find out who her parents are? Seems like an awful waste of time to continue the ruse that she is someone of importance if she's not. If she was just the offspring from junk traders, why would the Force have any reason to hide that from her?

GuessWho

It's not "Luke's music." It's called "The Force Theme" so yeah, Rey can have it.

joe_b

I vaguely recall it being summed up pretty concisely in the novelization of the first movie: Palpatine was a seemingly humble politician who worked his way up the rungs of power for decades before usurping enough control to overthrow the Old Republic and create the Galactic Empire. That was the perfect amount of info required to know his place in the story. By 1980, Lucas had already promised the prequels. Fans knew they'd be getting the Emperor's backstory eventually. But even if it remained a one-off appearance, Ian McDiarmid fucking rocks in that part. The throne room scenes remain some of the most iconic in the entire series.

This Snoke character is a CGI shit show and a pathetically transparent attempt at creating a Palpatine stand-in. He's been described as ancient, so why had he waited until now to seize power? The Emperor taxed the entire galaxy... how did the First Order get so many resources in such a short period of time? How did Snoke gain all that influence and wealth? How did he know of Vader's bloodline and manage to seduce the grandson? Who the fuck are the Knights of Ren? There's far too many oversights happening with this trilogy to dismiss it all as fanboys being persnickety. Even if they attempt to tidy all this up with IX, I'm certain it's going to feel like too little too late... much like Lucas scrambling to link III to IV in the last five minutes of the prequel trilogy. I won't make excuses for bad storytelling, even if these movies are made for 12 year olds.