GreenMonkey

I love that Yoda was like Empire Yoda again, pranking it up and trolling Luke. He, at least, seems to have absorbed that the Jedi made mistakes leading to Vader and the Emperor and the Empire, but feels like the Jedi just need to make changes. Luke, on the other hand, has gotten cynical and feels guilty about his part in it after his failure with Ben and is like "fuck this, we're better off without this kind of power on either side". Kinda in a way how Kylo himself is like "fuck the old, in with the new".

I think people wanted to see that Luke had grown up to be an ass-kicking Jedi zen master. But in reality he is powerful and good, but flawed, just like he was in most of the OT. He's impulsive and sometimes short-sighted and makes mistakes. As an older Luke he's gotten better, but he makes a fatal mistake with Ben. I'm not sure it totally fits his personality (I mean, this is the guy that gave Vader a chance) but then again, maybe he didn't want to go through it again. It's probably like the going-back-in-time-to-kill-Hitler thought train going through his head. Like, if I can just nip this in the bud now, I can prevent a horrible future kinda mentality.

I think people wanted to see Luke train Rey and Luke kick some ass by, as he sarcastically remarks, pulling out his laser sword and fighting the first order singlehandedly.

BearFan

Snoke was strong with the dark side, but he seemed to suffer from the same overconfidence that downed a few Sith Lord of the past ... and thinking their underling will not off them like the others.

dfmaverick2

After seeing Last Jedi last night, I was unsure how I felt about it. There were definitely things I liked but a few that I did not.

I went back today and enjoyed the experience much more. Many of my dislikes didn't seem as jarring, and the end scene with Luke was much more emotional.

RichC2

I think this will happen a lot

dave-o

For the second time, I did a 22 hour (18 hours last time) Star Wars marathon. This time I had to drive 8 hours, in a horrible blizzard to do the marathon. I could not have been more primed to like this movie and oh boy...the last time I remember being this disappointed in a movie was Prometheus. There was definitely things I liked about it. The part that upsets me the most is that I can easily see how with a few tweaks, this could have been a great movie. The easiest way to sum up this movie is that it is an overly long, overly convoluted, mess of a movie, with some great acting and action sequences but some mind numbingly stupid characters making mind numbingly stupid decisions. Ugh.

I definitely need to see it again, as I feel like I'm missing something, with all of the positive reviews, but what a fucking mess...ugh. As it stands now, this is easily my least favorite SW movie, by a long shot.

davidh777

Just got back from the showing and was thoroughly entertained. And of course the thread is full of bitching.

I definitely noticed the callbacks to earlier films, but it didn't bother me as much as it did in TFA, which felt like a real retread with the run at the Death Star etc. Maybe there was ENOUGH difference in the way they did it, or maybe it was just how I was feeling compared to the last time. The casino was without question the low point, but I didn't hate it--it just felt dull and unnecessary. And yeah, I expected more Phasma, and for Snoke to last longer, etc. The fleet pursuit felt very much like the new Battlestar Galactica, with extermination on the line.

Daisy Ridley is all kinds of awesome. Love that casting so much, despite what MTGOW may think.

K&AJones

So far what I'm seeing on a lot of the forums out there is Luke's "Grand Exit" and Snoke's unexpected exit....

If Luke is really gone then all who is left of the originals is Chewy, C-3PO and R2D2.....which makes you wonder, no-way you take "Luke" who has been center stage of the Star Wars Universe forever goes out like a 2nd or 3rd tier character.....

And Snoke...who was projected as the all-powerful Mr. Dark Side who makes The Emperor look like a Trainee cannot sense what is about to happen and now we have who taking over center stage of The Dark Side? Before the movie about everyone had to be thinking Snoke was IT and we were going to see another "Emperor, Vader & Luke" climatic brawl in the final part with Rey and Kylo and possibly Luke in the mix....well that's gone to pot now. And just like the Emperor, Snoke wanted Luke Skywalker.....

Some have said they don't care about who Snoke was let alone Rey's parents.....but one fact remains, Rey and Kylo are Skywalkers by bloodline as Luke & Leia. And I keep going back to The Phantom Menace where Qui-Gon jinn asks about Anakin's father and the Mom replies "he had no father".....

...so is there another one out there....Dark or Good Side...who has remained in the shadows unseen and unknown and responsible for the Skywalker bloodline possibly coming out in the final part?

dave-o

Adding more to my thoughts...I purposely stayed away from all reviews and spoilers. So my expectations were not influenced by any of the rumors and what not...


What I liked:

Kylo and Rey. They have great chemistry. The movie should've ended with them facing off and the light saber stuck between them. That would've been a far more satisfying end and a great cliffhanger.

The acting was solid. Particularly Luke. He's definitely a much better actor in his later years.

Great visuals and action sequences.

I like that it took chances and challenged audiences expectations.


What I disliked:

Horrible writing. Characters are stupid when it is convenient for the plot and characters are intelligent when it is convenient for the plot. Some action sequences were clearly things they thought of first and then they tried to figure out how to get there (poorly).

Major plot points hinging on the fact that characters are not talking to each other and telling them what they are planning. Just stupid and lazy writing. There were at least two times this happened and both could've been easily fixed.

Very uneven pacing and more endings then Return of the King.

In spite of trying to take things in a different direction, we end exactly where we started. With Vader (Kylo) and Luke (Rey). Ugh.

Mary Poppins Leia. I almost laughed out loud at this scene.

Poe was ruined in this movie imo. He was a one dimensional hot head who acted stupid only bc it was convenient for advancing the plot. What a waste of a potentially great character.

Not killing off Leia. JJ is going to have a mess to clean up with this one.

Snoke...awful excuse of a big baddie with a very anticlimactic end.

There was so much more I disliked, but I'll leave it at that for now...

JeremyM

I don’t understand how the Poe "call" scene is out of place in the Star Wars universe. Seems of a piece with the Han Solo "situation normal" bit in Star Wars, for one example.

bunkaroo

It was out of place to me because it seemed too much like a phone call.

stvn1974

Question: Do you know what is worse than Midichlorians, sand getting everywhere, Jar Jar Binks, Jedi Rocks, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" and losing the will to live?



Answer: Luke flipping the lightsaber over his shoulder over the cliff.

Michael Corvin

I guess people see/hear what they want to.



Han is LITERALLY on a phone cracking jokes.

bunkaroo

I’m not trying to look for things wrong it just seemed a little off to me. The scene above was an intercom or at least seemed that way to me.

davidh777

I liked the humor in the movie. It was actually funny and in my mind didn't detract from the drama. I could've done with fewer funny/weird animals, but it wasn't a big deal.

lopper

After seeing this today, my initial reaction is: what a fuck up. But, I felt this same way after seeing Rogue One, and ended up really enjoying it after a second viewing. I'll probably go watch this again on Monday.

JeremyM

Why? It fit with his feelings toward being a Jedi at that time. He wasn’t interested whatsoever.

Maxflier

I know exactly what you mean, I felt the same way.

Joe Schmoe

Why didn't Leia die in the cold vacuum of space? She may be Force sensitive, but we've never seen a Jedi use the Force to survive space, and she's no Jedi. We've never seen a Jedi fly the way she did either. (I'm only referring to the films as I have no idea what has happened in any of the SW TV shows.) This scene was cringe worthy.

I'm bummed they killed him off, considering they already killed off Han, and Carrie Fisher can't return. I can't believe all the speculation about Rey's parents was for nothing. Same goes for Snoke's identity/backstory. Really feel ripped off.

Where was all the humor that was hyped? I had read this was the funniest SW film, but that was nowhere near true. Yeah, there were a few jokes, but not enough. Finn was boring this time. So was his adventure with Rose. I really missed Solo's wisecracking.

I couldn't believe how much the battle on the salt planet was like the battle of Hoth... AT-AT like vehicles, white surface, rebel soldiers in trenches, turrets, the rebel base in a cave. Sheesh!

Why did Vice Admiral Holdo stay behind when the others evacuated the cruiser? I didn't understand her reasoning. Also, why was she dressed in an evening gown with fancy hair if she was a military leader? Of course, Leia's outfits didn't look like military garb either.

Daisy Ridley's face looked fuller/rounder compared to TFA, so it ruined the continuity for me when her first scene with Luke picked up where TFA ended. Mark Hamill's hair looked a bit different too.

I'll need to see this movie again, but after one viewing I'm disappointed. It's overhyped, too long, not funny enough, does things with The Force I wasn't expecting, and killed off Luke even though the writers already knew we can't have Han or Leia in IX.

Forgot about the last scene... what was the point? Reminded me of the lame scenes with younglings laughing at Annie in TPM. Ugh! Benicio Del Toro's character seemed pointless too. Did he beg for a part in the movie?

Did any of the characters utter the line "I have a bad feeling about this"?

JTH182

I kept expecting when they showed the close up of dead Snoke that he was going to open his eyes and we were going to find out he was indeed Plagueis. The character was just becoming interesting, and then he goes out like a bitch with no explanation. Lame.

It would have been awesome to have Darth Plagueis chasing down Luke, Rey, and Kylo for revenge in Episode 9.

fumanstan

Saw it this morning at a work function. I always preface by saying i'm not a very big Star Wars fan although i've seen them all, own most of them (except Rogue One), and pretty familiar with most of the main universe. I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, so i'll go back and read it later today...

Enjoyed it, probably a little more then Force Awakens. There were some things I didn't like, particularly Leia surviving space and Luke at the end, but overall it had a good pace and enjoyable action. I could have done without feeling like the movie kept trying to hammer home a message about cruelty to animals as well. Also, I still don't like Adam Driver and Kylo Ren, and really hope they don't offer him any sort of redemption in the movie arc. I also hope Rey's parentage was just a swerve and she actually does have some sort of meaningful background later on. Oh, and Benecio Del Toro's character seemed like a big waste of time.

Despite all the complaints, I had fun. I like some of the characters being fallible, particularly Poe and getting called out on being a hot shot. It's nice seeing the characters and their missions outright fail as well. Some of the fights were great, and loved some of the tricks and moves Kyle and Rey do at the end. All the Rey/Luke stuff worked out well, and I love those little Porgs.

OldBoy

so, i won't be able to see this till Wed. dying inside.

can anyone who saw in Real 3D please pm me and let me know if worth it?

i don't want to look in this thread at all until i see.

thanks in advance.

mhg83

Why does everyone keep insisting Luke is dead? We never actually see him die. Or maybe I missed something?

Double_Oh_7

Overall I enjoyed it, there are moments that are pure Star Wars. But taken as part of the entire saga, it cuts any momentum going into Episode 9. Unless they retcon the whole Rey parentage thing, what does JJ have to work with? What's left to tell in this trilogy? If I was JJ I'd be like "what the fuck did you do to me, Rian?"

Mabuse

At the end, on the Falcon, was that the sacred Jedi books shown for a moment? Did Rey save them?

outcastja

This article sums up a lot of my feeling about the movie: http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/