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Old 11-09-17, 12:02 PM
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Two More Women Accuse Jeremy Piven Of Sexual Misconduct: Reports
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Old 11-09-17, 12:02 PM
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Rumors around Louis for years...

Louis C.K.'s Movie Premiere Canceled in Advance of N.Y. Times Story
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ebook_20171109
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Old 11-09-17, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Decker
Nothing in that article mentions the NY Times story or any allegations of misconduct by Louis.
It says: "A source tells The Hollywood Reporter that a New York Times story on the comedian is about to break, and the premiere was canceled in case it is damaging."

It is pre-emptive. It doesn't say there are allegations.
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Old 11-09-17, 12:38 PM
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If a big strapping dude like Crews can be assaulted, no one is safe!
At first I thought it was Crews that was being reported.
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Old 11-09-17, 12:49 PM
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Old 11-09-17, 12:56 PM
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Old 11-09-17, 12:59 PM
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^ I know he's not her type.
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Old 11-09-17, 01:02 PM
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Rumors around Louis for years...

Louis C.K.'s Movie Premiere Canceled in Advance of N.Y. Times Story
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...ebook_20171109
Isn't this pretty much well known in the comedy circles? I distinctly remember several comedians vaguely referencing this but can't recall who it was.
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Old 11-09-17, 01:56 PM
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The NY Times piece is out: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/a...isconduct.html
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Tried in the court of public opinion aaaand...guilty!
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Old 11-09-17, 02:14 PM
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Yea... this one is a bummer.
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Yea... this one is a bummer.
Yeah, but how do we know it's true?
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Old 11-09-17, 02:23 PM
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If I was a betting man, my money would be on it being true.
He didn't outright deny it a few weeks back.. he just said that they were "just rumors" (which doesn't negate it from being true).

I wouldn't be surprised if he caved in and admitted to it either.

What's with these guys and forcing women to watch/listen to them masturbating?
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Well, I am not ready to pass judgement on any of this stuff until it's investigated and due process is followed. Too many people in the court of public opinion overly eager to ruin lives and careers before this happens.
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Old 11-09-17, 02:26 PM
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Yeah, but how do we know it's true?
We don't, but the multiple accusers, similar accounts, outside people who were told of the incidents at the time and the apology emails make it hard to doubt.
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Next! Allison Mack.
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Old 11-09-17, 02:33 PM
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Well, I am not ready to pass judgement on any of this stuff until it's investigated and due process is followed. Too many people in the court of public opinion overly eager to ruin lives and careers before this happens.
Same here. The climate is so hot right now that anyone who has a grudge against someone in the industry has the power to instantly ruin them. And posting a stern denial of the allegations on social media is a waste of time since it won't change public opinion.
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Old 11-09-17, 02:35 PM
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I was expecting more from the CK write-up. That story has been out there for a long time now, I think he even commented once that "I never said I was perfect." and it's gross, but I dunno -- still mild compared to these other ones.
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I can't read more than a couple NYTimes or WaPost articles a month before hitting the paywall. It appears that most of you don't have that issue. Is it something a strange simple as using a browser without cookies, or what?
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^ sometimes, even just using an Incognito tab works.
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Originally Posted by james2025a View Post
But seriously, this seems to be just anyone now over the last 40 years thats done anything even slightly considered inappropriate that getting thrown under the bus. I know a lot of these cases are real, but there are going to be some that simply want 15 minutes of fame or the chance of a potentially easy pay day. I think this is reducing the overall impact for the real victims as its getting to the eye rolling point of anything being considered inappropriate.
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Well, I am not ready to pass judgement on any of this stuff until it's investigated and due process is followed. Too many people in the court of public opinion overly eager to ruin lives and careers before this happens.
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Same here. The climate is so hot right now that anyone who has a grudge against someone in the industry has the power to instantly ruin them.
http://theweek.com/articles/734903/s...es-how-respond
It's an understudied phenomenon, this collective process, but it's as regular as the tides. With every news story there comes a moment of satiety so absolute that the weight of it trumps any story's actual merits. After everyone reads one too many descriptions of the same incident whether it's allegations about Russian electoral interference or sexual harassment or rape a reactionary mood sets in. It's the urge everyone gets as a news cycle crests: That's all very well and good, but come on. Time for the takedown, the pushback, the cooler heads that will reason the volume of the tide away.

We all know what will come next. As in 2006, when the Duke lacrosse case gripped the news; as in 2014, when Rolling Stone published it's piece about an alleged rape at UVA, one of the accounts coming out during this wave will be in some way disproved. When that happens, the familiar landslide of public opinion will turn. The incident will become a muted indictment of the hundreds of real victims who have come forward to tell their stories. Much of the public will seize that one false story as an excuse to facilitate the calming of the waters, the burying of a conversation so ugly and difficult that we regress to truisms about "human nature" and try to explain sexual predations as mere "awkwardness" or hapless attempts at flirting.

There are plenty of cognitive distortions aiding that backlash from the "identifiable victim effect," by which we sympathize more with individual victims than with groups (so as the number of accusers grow, we grow less charitable toward them and suspect them of bandwagoning). There's system justification, a cognitive bias in which alternatives to the existing system feel threatening, so people mistake their psychological relief at reverting to a less confusing status quo with "reasonable skepticism."

But there are two more terms I'd like to suggest. One is the Anti-Bandwagon Fallacy. It's the belief that a news item's truth content actually diminishes as more people come forward with corroborating stories. The other is the Newtonian News Fallacy, by which, for every news story, there must eventually be an equal and opposite news story.

The coming backlash is built in, it's waiting in the wings, and the people who eventually espouse it will be convinced they're seeing through the news rather than participating in the rhythms this particularly dysfunctional media landscape confuses with the truth.
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Yeah, but how do we know it's true?
Because it's totally fucking true.
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The coming backlash is built in, it's waiting in the wings, and the people who eventually espouse it will be convinced they're seeing through the news rather than participating in the rhythms this particularly dysfunctional media landscape confuses with the truth.
A lot of yet unrevealed predators high up in the media/politics chain are counting on the backlash to hit before they get outed. Makes you wonder if the relatively small potatoes being disgraced (Spacey, Ratner, Toback, Louis C.K., etc.) are the sacrificial lambs deliberately thrown out there to satiate the public so that the higher-ups can get back to business-as-usual.
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Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum View Post
Makes you wonder if the relatively small potatoes being disgraced (Spacey, Ratner, Toback, Louis C.K., etc.) are the sacrificial lambs deliberately thrown out there to satiate the public so that the higher-ups can get back to business-as-usual.
Victims are the ones outing these people, not some overarching evil authority.
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