DJariya

Not to mention that Kazinsky is her current boyfriend. Not quite an impartial opinion.

Noonan

Also not to mention he's been part of scandals himself.

DJariya

"Powerful man blacklisting his ex girlfriend from the industry"

This is fucking Chris Hardwick dude. Not Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks or James Cameron.

Noonan

Hey man...she may never get to be on those 12:30am Comedy Central shows now!!! Career destroyed...

stingermck

With all due respect the evidence of blacklisting stays with the lawyers and is not for public discourse. Legal matters stay with legal. https://t.co/FCyezppgDq

— Robert Kazinsky (@RobertKazinsky) June 19, 2018

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Noonan

So is he confirming they are taking legal action?

nando820

this is starting to get muddy

Noonan

It was muddy from the get with the vague, almost hidden reveal which didn't name anyone.

Josh-da-man

Hardwick probably has some pull in nerdland.

It probably wouldn't be too difficult for someone of his status to poison someone's reputation in the podcasting/cosplay/website sphere.

I don't know any of these people, but I'm leaning toward this being a toxic relationship where both parties bring out the worst in each other. I've seen enough of this IRL to know it's not exactly uncommon.

Dan

Anyone downplaying Hardwick's pull in this particular sphere of entertainment for nerds is delusional.

Probably true. That won't stop the fan bros from making up their minds about this woman while giving Hardwick a pass. The reactions in this thread are exactly what was predicted months ago.

Noonan

Why wouldn't we give Hardwick a pass (for now)? She hasn't even named him as the person she wrote about and is now letting her BF talk for her. Are people no longer innocent until proven guilty?

Dan

That's not what I'm talking about. This piece is more about when a story that's provably false comes up, but:
http://theweek.com/articles/734903/s...es-how-respond

edit: separately, it's quite interesting how quick people are to say things like "Why didn't she just leave??" or "When he broke up with her, why did she beg him to stay?" as if all victims of sexual/physical/verbal abuse act in completely rational ways when they have a chance to move on. None of these accusers will ever be the perfect victim, and thus, there will always be Men Online who call them liars. I'm NOT saying this woman (Chloe?) isn't a liar. But the assumption is that she is, because she did something irrational, is what I'm saying. edit2: one last thing: I'm not defending her, either. She cheated on him (presumably). That's indefensible. But the complexities as to WHY, which very well could include the abuse she described, are relevant. By switching the focus to the cheating, instead of the exact accusations, suggests that Hardwick is hiding ugly shit, too.

Matto1020

Here's the problem, this girl's story is so full of holes and she constantly contradicts herself, that with every new thing that comes out, it makes it harder and harder to believe her.

When her first post on Medium came out, it appeared the entire Internet said, "I KNEW IT!!! HARDWICK IS AN ASSHOLE." This despite if you read her post, a lot of the things she posted could be manipulated into a context that makes him look like the bad guy.

1. He wouldn't let her drink around him. He's a recovering alcoholic... doesn't seem like an absurd thing to ask for and if she was that in love with him it shouldn't of been that hard of a request to grant.

2. He wouldn't allow pictures of them! Look at her Instagram, that time period is filled with nothing but pictures of A.) Her and Hardwick together or B.) He is some pretty revealing outfits looking like a party girl

I could go on... but you get the point.

There's also YouTube videos she's posted, specifically her in the hospital after her surgery saying that Chris is the most wonderful person and she couldn't ask for a better boyfriend.

Now with all fo this, she's basically letting her current BF (robert) speak for her and he is now saying he can't release the evidence they threatened they would release?

Of course we should take abuse allegations seriously, but we also need to seriously consider this broad is just mentally not all there and this is all a vindictive ploy to serve the bitterness she feels that her ex boyfriend has done nothing but grow in popularity with regards to his career and she's tanking in hers.

Dan

^ You've missed the point I was making entirely.

dex14

And kind of becomes null when ending with “this broad”.

Dan

That, along with going after her mental health. A+ bro defense force.

Matto1020

While I didn't say she was mentally ill, I did say it's something to be considered. This sounds very much like bipolar disorder.

EDIT: And that's not to say I think Hardwick was this saint of a boyfriend. The dude sounds very high maintenance, putting work before home life, very controlling with his life and the different aspects of it... but that doesn't mean he deserves to have everything he's worked for be thrown away over a social media post.

Groucho

To be fair, public opinion is not the same as a court of law.

dhmac

Chris Hardwick lost his show and is already considered guilty in the court of public opinion based ONLY on unsubstantiated allegations. No defense or other side of the story even considered - once accused, already guilty.

Dan

When someone online says, "we also need to seriously consider this broad is just mentally not all there," yes, he's practically suggesting she's mentally ill without literally saying it.

Maybe just don't mentally diagnose folks you've never met? Nah, it's easier to say this "broad" is vindictive and bitter at a man's success, because she may be, but we're definitely not suggesting she is, mentally ill. *wink* *nudge*

As I was saying, I don't even care about this specific case. But more and more guys that people like because they're Good Geeks Like Us are going to be exposed as the scum that they are (along with a few that will be wrongfully accused, of course), and one or two more random internet bros will come to their defense because that's just how these kinds of cycles go. As the most relevant part of the article I linked says: "the people who eventually espouse (the backlash) will be convinced they're seeing through the news rather than participating in the rhythms this particularly dysfunctional media landscape confuses with the truth."

fujishig

Again, he lives in the public eye, that's what a celebrity is, so anything that damages his brand and his ability to get viewers is going to get him fired, if only for optics. I doubt there's any recourse there either for wrongful termination.

kefrank

You are probably correct that there's no recourse with his employer, but if he did not do the things that were stated, he can sue his accuser for defamation and claim damages from lost employment. The only way he really has a leg to stand on in claiming innocence is if he is willing to back it up in court by pursuing that kind of litigation.

dex14

But who has lost out on anything that hasn't been guilty? The only real story that stands out to me is the Aziz one. Morgan Freeman probably could've been handled differently too.

I agree that the court of public opinion is ridiculous and the fact we live in a society where people's careers are gone in an instant is insane. But if people are choosing to cut ties with someone, I'm going to assume that they have atleast some knowledge of the accusation being factual. AMC says they had a great relationship with Hardwick, so why wouldn't they stand by him? The money I guess is the only answer. If anything, they could've said Chris has agreed to step aside, to make put him in a better light. And he hasn't been fired. They've just said they will not air it until they investigate further.

slop101

Yeah, so far, pretty much everyone's been guilty of all the accusations, and then some.

GoldenJCJ

“Everyone else was guilty so you are too!” Is like adding dump trucks full of dirt to already muddy waters.