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Old 05-26-21, 08:36 AM
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One of them died.
I also thought I read that KS's legal team wanted the accusers phone to analyze it and they "lost" it. Being a key piece of evidence, the judge discussed dismissal with the prosecution and everything collapsed afterwards.
Old 06-30-21, 11:57 AM
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Cosby's case was apparently overturned by the PA Supreme Court:


Seems like a previous prosecutor agreed to a plea deal and no conviction and they used the evidence to convict him anyway. So he's still guilty as hell but not supposed to be in jail, I guess.
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Old 06-30-21, 12:18 PM
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Re: Sexual Harassment/Assault & Abuse in Hollywood -- Discussion

I'm not surprised. I said at the time that, while I think Cosby is guilty, the prosecution should not have been brought because he gave deposition testimony in a civil case waiving his 5th Amendment rights based on an agreement he had with the then-D.A. that he would not be criminally prosecuted. I never understood how they got around that. Apparently neither does the PA Supreme Court.
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Seems like a previous prosecutor agreed to a plea deal and no conviction and they used the evidence to convict him anyway. So he's still guilty as hell but not supposed to be in jail, I guess.
I didn’t follow this case very closely but I do recall seeing a video of Cosby essentially spilling his guts about all the shitty things he would do to drug women. I guess that was after he’d made a deal that he wouldn’t be convicted? And they used that as evidence for his trial in order to convict him? I suppose I understand why this was overturned but it sounds like some serious boneheaded decisions made by prosecutors.

I guess my question is, why did the original prosecutor agree to a plea deal that kept Cosby out of prison? It’s not like there was some bigger fish out there somewhere that they were trying to get and could only do so with Cosby flipping. It was literally, “we promise you won’t go to jail if you just tell us the truth now”.
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Old 06-30-21, 12:41 PM
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Re: Sexual Harassment/Assault & Abuse in Hollywood -- Discussion

The American justice system is a strange, strange thing.
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I always try and guess who is in trouble now when this thread is bumped. DID not expect this. WTF indeed.



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Re: Sexual Harassment/Assault & Abuse in Hollywood -- Discussion

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I didn’t follow this case very closely but I do recall seeing a video of Cosby essentially spilling his guts about all the shitty things he would do to drug women. I guess that was after he’d made a deal that he wouldn’t be convicted? And they used that as evidence for his trial in order to convict him? I suppose I understand why this was overturned but it sounds like some serious boneheaded decisions made by prosecutors.

I guess my question is, why did the original prosecutor agree to a plea deal that kept Cosby out of prison? It’s not like there was some bigger fish out there somewhere that they were trying to get and could only do so with Cosby flipping. It was literally, “we promise you won’t go to jail if you just tell us the truth now”.
That D.A. who made the deal was Bruce Castor, one of Trump's defense counsel at his second impeachment trial who was mocked for his ineptitude.
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Re: Sexual Harassment/Assault & Abuse in Hollywood -- Discussion

Well that explains it.
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Does this mean that the world can stop pretending that one of the most successful sitcoms of all time, and some of the best comedy albums ever produced, never existed?
Old 06-30-21, 07:16 PM
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Does this mean that the world can stop pretending that one of the most successful sitcoms of all time, and some of the best comedy albums ever produced, never existed?
Why? Because he's not in jail? He pretty much confessed to all of it, you'd have to be crazy to think this exonerates him.
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Why? Because he's not in jail? He pretty much confessed to all of it, you'd have to be crazy to think this exonerates him.
Well, I don't understand what him being in jail or not, or being guilty or not, has to do with whether the Noah talking to God routine is funny or not. I'm just crazy that way . . . funny is funny to me.
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He will probably have to live life like OJ and be a pariah in society.
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He will probably have to live life like OJ and be a pariah in society.
He's 84 years old. Tough to have to live the many, many years ahead of him as a societal pariah.
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Well, I don't understand what him being in jail or not, or being guilty or not, has to do with whether the Noah talking to God routine is funny or not. I'm just crazy that way . . . funny is funny to me.
That's fine, I just don't see how him being free on a technicality will change anyone's mind. If they were ignoring the Cosby show before what does this do to get them to change their mind about it? If you didn't care if he was guilty before then you also wouldn't care now.
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That's fine, I just don't see how him being free on a technicality will change anyone's mind. If they were ignoring the Cosby show before what does this do to get them to change their mind about it? If you didn't care if he was guilty before then you also wouldn't care now.
Were people ignoring The Cosby Show, or was it disappeared?
I honestly don't believe that people did care. I think the woke police made it clear that you had to say you did care.
Did the ratings for Cosby Show reruns go in the tank? Or did people rise up in protest that the show was being rerun? Or did a corporation pull the reruns because they didn't want to be attacked for showing them?
Look at Seinfeld's interview with Colbert in 2017 where they discussed Cosby, and how Jerry changed his tune after somebody got to him during the commercial break.
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Were people ignoring The Cosby Show, or was it disappeared?
I honestly don't believe that people did care. I think the woke police made it clear that you had to say you did care.
Did the ratings for Cosby Show reruns go in the tank? Or did people rise up in protest that the show was being rerun? Or did a corporation pull the reruns because they didn't want to be attacked for showing them?
Look at Seinfeld's interview with Colbert in 2017 where they discussed Cosby, and how Jerry changed his tune after somebody got to him during the commercial break.
I can only speak for myself, as someone who loved Fat Albert, listened to tapes of Cosby's comedy as a kid and loved the Cosby show. And I loved Pudding Pops, I have no idea why they don't make that (and WWE ice cream bars) any more. Nobody told me to care, no "woke police" came to my house and threatened my kids if I didn't disown Cosby. But it's still hard for me to watch a sitcom named after and starring Cosby where he's supposed to be the consummate family man. I'm not saying everyone has to think that way but that's the way I saw it. His whole persona was based on being a good guy.
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Old 07-01-21, 09:18 AM
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It's just a little hard to laugh at a guy who is playing a loving father, husband and respected gynecologist on a TV show who in real life admits to drugging and raping multiple women.
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I can only speak for myself, as someone who loved Fat Albert, listened to tapes of Cosby's comedy as a kid and loved the Cosby show. And I loved Pudding Pops, I have no idea why they don't make that (and WWE ice cream bars) any more. Nobody told me to care, no "woke police" came to my house and threatened my kids if I didn't disown Cosby. But it's still hard for me to watch a sitcom named after and starring Cosby where he's supposed to be the consummate family man. I'm not saying everyone has to think that way but that's the way I saw it. His whole persona was based on being a good guy.
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It's just a little hard to laugh at a guy who is playing a loving father, husband and respected gynecologist on a TV show who in real life admits to drugging and raping multiple women.
Well, like I said, I'm not pretending he didn't do it, but it doesn't affect my enjoyment of his comedy work. For some reason, I see fiction as just that. He's an actor playing a character. Who he is as a person doesn't enter the picture for me.
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For me it really depends on who the person in question is and what they’re accused of. In Cosby’s case I was never much of a fan anyways.

When I was watching the Raimi Spider-Man movies recently it was a bit weird whenever James Franco came on and not thinking he’s a creeper.

I don’t actively seek out shows or films with accused actors, but if they happen to be in something I’m watching I won’t necessarily turn away either.
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It's just a little hard to laugh at a guy who is playing a loving father, husband and respected gynecologist on a TV show who in real life admits to drugging and raping multiple women.
It's particularly repulsive when the series is actually titled The Cosby Show, and he presents his alter-ego as this stern but loving father who sets high expectations for his children, while the real Bill Cosby is slipping countless women Quaaludes so he can rape them.

It's like, Cliff is grilling Theo about finding a joint in his gym bag, while the night before the Coz dissolved some ludes in the wineglass of some poor aspiring actress who was trying to get a bit part on the show and sodomized her while she was out.
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It's particularly repulsive when the series is actually titled The Cosby Show, and he presents his alter-ego as this stern but loving father who sets high expectations for his children, while the real Bill Cosby is slipping countless women Quaaludes so he can rape them.

It's like, Cliff is grilling Theo about finding a joint in his gym bag, while the night before the Coz dissolved some ludes in the wineglass of some poor aspiring actress who was trying to get a bit part on the show and sodomized her while she was out.
I'll be honest. Even if this was real life, and Cosby was being a complete hypocrite, it would still be a father setting standards and making demands on his son. Parents who make horrible mistakes and do terrible things, who do not want their children to follow in their footsteps and repeat those mistakes are usually lauded for that approach to parenting.

Seriously, the whole premise of theater, movies, and television is a willing suspension of disbelief. How does anybody watch and enjoy anything, if all they think about is the actors' personal lives?

I hope to god that when I see Black Widow, I don't sit there thinking about how Scar Jo fucks Colin Jost in real life, and isn't really as ass-kicking super-hero.
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I hope to god that when I see Black Widow, I don't sit there thinking about how Scar Jo fucks Colin Jost in real life, and isn't really as ass-kicking super-hero.
Scar Jo's consensual sex life is not remotely on the same level as Bill Cosby drugging and raping many women.
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Scar Jo's consensual sex life is not remotely on the same level as Bill Cosby drugging and raping many women.


The point is neither impacts my ability to compartmentalize my knowledge of the actor's personal life and engage with the text and performances as fiction

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