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Old 08-28-18, 10:36 AM
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re: Sexual Harassment/Assault & Abuse in Hollywood -- Discussion

Looks like Louis CK made an appearance last night in NYC seems he got a standing O before the set began and not surprisingly there was some backlash from the appearance on social media.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...al-misconduct/
Old 08-28-18, 11:03 AM
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Iím not sure whatís supposed to be considered a reasonable time away I guess. Nine months is quite a while for him to have been basically silent. That article paints what Louis did as some heinous crime or something. What exactly makes social media the judge, jury, and executioner in these cases and decides when a person can or canít go back to work? I donít think what he did was right, but being real I think what he did in comparison to a lot of other allegations against celebrities is fairly mild.

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Old 08-28-18, 01:42 PM
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Mel Gibson has set the blueprint for a #MeToo comeback. Expect other men to follow it.
We have a pretty good idea of what the men planning their #MeToo comebacks will do. Gibson already did it.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/7/2...metoo-times-up
Old 08-28-18, 02:11 PM
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I was not aware he broke his girlfriend face and the dialogue he used with her, the use of the word nig* fuck that guy he is worst than I thought
Old 08-28-18, 02:21 PM
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Yeah, Pope Mel has said some pretty appalling shit over the years.
Old 08-28-18, 03:18 PM
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Not that it excuses him, but Mel's supposed to be severely bi-polar.
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Originally Posted by EddieMoney
Explain to me why a MALE cannot be raped by a FEMALE.
Rape is about POWER...physical and to a slightly lesser extent: psychological.
I have never seen a woman overpower a man who has his adrenaline pumped up.
There is a biological reason why men are created to be bigger, stronger, faster.
Old 08-28-18, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by melasnus
Rape is about POWER...physical and to a slightly lesser extent: psychological.
I have never seen a woman overpower a man who has his adrenaline pumped up.
There is a biological reason why men are created to be bigger, stronger, faster.
Hm, that's weird. I didn't realize statutory rape laws are written to only apply to one gender.
Old 08-28-18, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike86
Iím not sure whatís supposed to be considered a reasonable time away I guess. Nine months is quite a while for him to have been basically silent. That article paints what Louis did as some heinous crime or something. What exactly makes social media the judge, jury, and executioner in these cases and decides when a person can or canít go back to work? I donít think what he did was right, but being real I think what he did in comparison to a lot of other allegations against celebrities is fairly mild.
If you're a member of it, bask in its glory, then you abide by its rules.

It's not as if he hasn't used social media for his own biased beliefs/agendas and said things against other people. If the public wants him back, then he'll do fine.

If not, well, I suppose he can be a talk show host or something.

Originally Posted by melasnus
Rape is about POWER...physical and to a slightly lesser extent: psychological.
I have never seen a woman overpower a man who has his adrenaline pumped up.
There is a biological reason why men are created to be bigger, stronger, faster.
There are many cases of women raping men. It's not about physical power in all cases...it's about emotional power as well, in addition to age.

There certainly is a reason why men are created differently than women. But it has nothing to do with Rape Potential. Rape is not just about "power". It's more about control. Controlling the environment. Controlling the person. This may not be with only physical abilities.
Old 08-28-18, 07:00 PM
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re: Sexual Harassment/Assault & Abuse in Hollywood -- Discussion

Louis C.K. did his first standup show since the scandal.

He did some deplorable shit but he is probably one of the best comedians out there.


Louis C.K. is back telling jokes.

The embattled comedian performed an unscheduled stand-up set at New York's Comedy Cellar on Sunday, the club's owner, Noam Dworman, told CNN's Brooke Baldwin.

Louis C.K. performed for 15 minutes but did not address the sexual misconduct scandal he has faced, according to Dworman.

In November, five women came forward with allegations of sexual harassment and abuse against the comedian. Louis C.K. acknowledged the accusations were true and apologized.

"These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true," he said in a statement obtained by CNN at the time. "But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn't a question. It's a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/enter...lub/index.html


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So glad he gave himself permission to get back out there.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
My only problem with that is that the initial charges are front page news, but the exoneration is on page 10 below the fold. Very few people read/hear about the exoneration, but remember the charges.

That affects future employability.

Charges should not be made public until significant evidence is shown. But what we see in a lot of this is trying people in the court of public opinion, which - as I noted - leads to exonerations being unseen when they happen.

I don't want victims to not be taken seriously. But I also don't want innocent people's careers harmed by personal grudges that don't include true criminal activity. I don't know if there is a good solution for this situation.
Unless it is James Gunn?
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff
Unless it is James Gunn?
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Originally Posted by kefrank
I didn't realize statutory rape laws are written to only apply to one gender.
Sorry, I don't know what you mean...
Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
There are many cases of women raping men. It's not about physical power in all cases...it's about emotional power as well, in addition to age.
Physical power is what makes it reality.
How many times have you read a quote from a woman saying she was "overpowered and couldn't resist?"
"He pinned me to the ground," etc., etc....

There certainly is a reason why men are created differently than women. But it has nothing to do with Rape Potential.
I didn't say that it was.
Rape is not just about "power". It's more about control. Controlling the environment. Controlling the person. This may not be with only physical abilities.
Thru "power" comes control.
Power can be more than just physicality.
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Originally Posted by melasnus
Sorry, I don't know what you mean...
I was mocking your suggestion that women can't rape men because they can't overpower men. The concept of statutory rape obviously applies to both genders equally. Rape is about forcible sexual activity without consent. There are many scenarios and dynamics that can bring about lack of consent. In the case of statutory rape, the victim is considered unfit to give consent because of their age preventing them from understanding the potential implications, so even if they are all for it, it's still rape in the eyes of the law (though that term isn't always used in the written law).

Physical power is what makes it reality.
Power can be more than just physicality.
You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Which is it?
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff
Unless it is James Gunn?
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^ on a similar note...


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Originally Posted by kefrank
I was mocking your suggestion that women can't rape men because they can't overpower men.
It's true a woman can TRY to rape a man.
But a man, ANY grown male, has the physical strength to simply walk away if not interested.
Unless, of course, she can pin him to the ground, etc.
The concept of statutory rape obviously applies to both genders equally. Rape is about forcible sexual activity without consent. There are many scenarios and dynamics that can bring about lack of consent. In the case of statutory rape, the victim is considered unfit to give consent because of their age preventing them from understanding the potential implications, so even if they are all for it, it's still rape in the eyes of the law (though that term isn't always used in the written law).
Are both genders equally capable of raping?

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Which is it?
Not at all.
Please read more closely.
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff
Unless it is James Gunn?
I didn't know he had no job offers on the table. And here I thought that DC wanted him...

(Seriously, doesn't he have multiple preliminary job offers - high profile job offers - on the table?)
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Originally Posted by inri222
Mel Gibson has set the blueprint for a #MeToo comeback. Expect other men to follow it.
We have a pretty good idea of what the men planning their #MeToo comebacks will do. Gibson already did it.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/7/2...metoo-times-up
That article says Charlie Rose’s next show is going to be him going around interviewing other sexual harasser celebrities. That should be fantastic!!!
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Originally Posted by melasnus
It's true a woman can TRY to rape a man.
But a man, ANY grown male, has the physical strength to simply walk away if not interested.
Unless, of course, she can pin him to the ground, etc.
Are both genders equally capable of raping?


Not at all.
Please read more closely.
Is it rape if a woman says, "If you don't have sex with me, I'll fire you and tell anyone else who considers hiring you that we caught you stealing from us"?

In my state, a person who forces sex through threats is still a rapist.
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Just like many female victims, men can be raped while they are under the influence. Not all rapes are a big strong person physically overpowering the other.
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Originally Posted by Nick Danger
Is it rape if a woman says, "If you don't have sex with me, I'll fire you and tell anyone else who considers hiring you that we caught you stealing from us"?

In my state, a person who forces sex through threats is still a rapist.
I think you've given the standard example for sexual harassment, certainly not rape. If someone (guy or girl) says you have to perform an act to keep or get a job, that's clearly not rape (or sexual assault).

Physically holding someone down against their will, drugging them and/or person is otherwise unconscious, or threatening to harm someone physically to get what you want is assault.
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Originally Posted by melasnus
It's true a woman can TRY to rape a man.
But a man, ANY grown male, has the physical strength to simply walk away if not interested.
Unless, of course, she can pin him to the ground, etc.
Or drug him, or have him consent to some physical restraints and then subject him to things he did not consent to, or use her position of power to psychologically threaten him if he doesn't give in to sexual advances, or...well, you get the idea here. There are many methods a woman can use to rape a man that have absolutely nothing to do with physical strength.

Are both genders equally capable of raping?
In short, yes. Especially when it comes to statutory cases.

Not at all.
Please read more closely.
I read it quite closely and it didn't make sense to me. Maybe I'm just dense. You refuted the idea that rape isn't always about physical overpowering by saying:
Physical power is what makes it reality.
I'm assuming by "it" you meant rape. But maybe you meant something else and that's the disconnect. If so, what did you mean?

After that, you said:
Thru "power" comes control.
Power can be more than just physicality.
This statement implies to me that power, which by your admission here can be more than just physical power, is the means of control that a rapist employs. So, this suggest to me that you believe rape can occur by means other than physical overpowering. But you just refuted that idea just a few lines before. Help me understand what I'm missing.

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