Giantrobo

I don't disagree. And I'm going with he is being quiet and is lawyered up putting his case together to expose her. But I also understand that his companies are looking out for themselves; and frankly, there must be more to letting him go if he was so beloved and such a big money maker for them. Like some have said the accusations have been "vague"...yet the companies cut ties anyway...

GoldenJCJ

I’m certainly not saying that happened, just a more likely scenario than a wide conspiracy to keep Dykstra down. And who knows, if something along those lines IS the truth, I have no doubt sexism is still alive and well in Hollywood despite the #metoo movement. She may very well have blacklisted herself when she came out with that story.

That’s also a reason I tend to at least give the benefit of the doubt to accusers when it’s not completely obvious what they have to gain.

Noonan

Sympathy and attention

GoldenJCJ

Maybe. That’s a pretty hardcore way to get it but, maybe.

Noonan

As I've said before, I will eat my words if more detail comes out.

That being said, I've known people like this before. They make things up or greatly embellish things which have happened for the sake of being the victim and getting sympathy from people. They crave positive attention and find that being a victim of something is an easy way to get it. Slippery slope. For example; standard fare relationship fights over a few years = years of mental abuse. No...you were just in a shitty relationship with the wrong person.

Giantrobo

Fair enough. At this point no one knows but Dykstra and Chris. I still defend the company for cutting ties because I think there was more to cutting ties than the accusations. They may have some reasons we don't know about.

But I also don't think Chris has been "shut down" or ignored as if no one wants to hear his side.

VHS?

That would indicate that all companies were about to let him go anyway. Theres not been any news of issues otherwise.
This is all because he was 'accused' and it's kinda bullshit. People's lives are being ruined because of hearsay.
I'm not really a fan of his. Fact I think he's kinda looks like he can be a dick. I've always thought this about him. But you cant go terminating people without proof. Imagine you're at work and someone says you spit in their coffee and you get fired and they have no proof other than their word.

Giantrobo

I get that.

But isn't Hollywood all 1099's? They can hire and fire as they please. People get fired for fucked up shit ALL THE TIME...but that's where the courts come in. If Chris has proof she is lying, he will get paid. If not, or if he did it then he's fucked. But you know, some also have clauses in their contracts about causing controversy, scandals, making the company name look bad, etc. So I hate to sound like a corporate shill, but again, they may have legit reason for cutting ties.

VHS?

I do agree on the clauses in their contracts thing. It probably sucks to be an attorney in Hollywood. I'd hate to have to read all the pages of fine print.

windom

GoldenJCJ

I was thinking the exact same thing. I’m sure those are standard clauses in their contracts. Many of these personalities are hired specifically for their likability so when that image gets tarnished, it hurts the company as well. Chris Hardwick has always portrayed that nerdy/cool guy that a lot of other nerds can relate to and want as a friend. When that image is damaged it hurts the company quite a bit. I have no doubt they could terminate his contract(s) on that reason alone.

At this point, whether he did or didn’t do it almost doesn’t matter to a large corporation paying him to portray a certain image.

It’s just business.

VHS?

The problem is though, that allegations like this don't just put a person out of work. It damages their lives.
Like someone accused of rape. Even when proven innocent after a trail, the stigma is still there and people still look at the person a certain way. It sticks with them. Poele will still always have a small piece of doubt and wonder and maybe a feeling about that person even when proven innocent.

tanman

I did but only from the cosplay show so I get your point.

Yeah but the point is none of us know. That's what makes this case so difficult. You want to believe Dykstra but there are a lot of supporters of Hardwick that have no real reason to stick their necks out and risk their reputation by defending him.

Say wha....??

tanman

That's the problem with the court of public opinion. I think a lot of people in this thread have confused due process as something that occurs outside of the courtroom. That's why I think some are against the whole #metoo movement. It's not necessarily about being against victims its about the pendulum swinging too far the other way where the movement has swayed public opinion too far that the rights of the accused are now infringed upon. That's why each case has to be taken so seriously so the truth can come out and why there shouldn't be such swift judgement by people or companies on a mere accusation. Do that too much and the pendulum will swing back the other way where victims aren't believed anymore because of previous accusations that have flippantly been made. So far it seems like people have taken this seriously which I think is great.

Personally I am for the #metoo movement and for the exposure of the seedy underbelly of Hollywood. I have long believed that Hollywood is full of a bunch of hypocrites that think they are more progressive than the rest of the country but let a person like Weinstein prey on innocent people with impunity. And KNOW about it and CONTINUE to work with him.

printerati

Fair enough. I should have truncated the quote to only include the second part about women and men. I think we all know who our resident "men can't say anything" poster is.

mattysemo247

I still think there is some truth to what she has said. Fame changes people and it seems like most of the women that have come forward to support him dated him before he got very popular. If the relationship with Dykstra was happening when he was experiencing all of these changes, he could have been very strict, controlling, and acting like he was better than her (inside and outside the bedroom). That shit goes to your head very easily.

We had a friend that completely changed once the bad he was in started getting very big and started opening up and touring with other bands. The few times I interacted with him during that time was completely different than the person I knew before then.

That being said I'm still very curious to see what "evidence" she has on him. That could easily be the big answer to all of this. And having him go completely silent on everything (no social media, no new podcasts, etc.) doesn't look good either. Even if the lawyers told him not to say anything about the subject, I don't see why he couldn't go on living his life and not talking about it on those platforms.

windom

I'm still not clear whether she's saying she has evidence of his alleged sexual abuse, or his supposed trying to get her blackballed from the industry, or both.

GoldenJCJ

It’s hard to say but I would think that any evidence is probably something along the lines of emails from Hardwick to industry higher ups suggesting Dykstra was trouble and a risk to hire. What else could she have? I’ve got my doubts that some sort of rape video exists.

DJariya

I read some of the comments in that tweet that Alexander posted about Hardwick. Let's just say she's getting mostly negative responses from women.

But, she is sticking up for her friend.

dex14

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...w-york-1124417

Noonan

I hope Harvey gets raped in prison every day until he dies.

GoldenJCJ

And according to Harvey, he still thinks Hollywood is going to forgive him.

The dude is fucked...literally when he goes to prison.

robin2099

I really don't think she even has any evidence. The evidence was mainly linked to statements that her current boyfriend says happened, and shes even said she wishes everyone could just move on.


Because it would be following him regardless? Seriously, when has anyone ever accused of something like this ever gone about their normal life? The accusations are always following them around and tend to keep following them around. You really have no choice but to stay silent.



Supposedly she says that Hardwick blackballed her from the industry but here is the problem. Her most notable roles in Hollywood are Spiderman 2(Train Passenger) and Drag Me To Hell(couple at diner). Everything else she has done has been YouTube type stuff and cosplay modeling. So she really has not been lighting the world on fire.

dex14

Brown is replacing Hardwick for TWD panel at SDCC:
https://deadline.com/2018/07/yvette-...el-1202421202/

DthRdrX

Good call to whoever was first to suggest her as a replacement. It's almost like TWD fandom was prepped for her the last few years.