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It (Andy Muschietti, 2017) The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Old 09-15-17, 09:49 AM
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I'm not even sure what you are trying to say, but in the book he was very important. This movie turns him into a nobody.
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In the film -- haven't read the book. In the film Ben was more important than Mike. Mike not being called the N-word in the film was no big thing since he was hardly the focus -- he came off as a secondary character.
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^ And that's why some of us are holding on to the book so much - because it is infinitely superior in terms of characterization. This film could have nailed it, because the mini-series did with less time (the kids' story takes up no more time than this film's running time).

When Mike is getting harassed by Bowers, racism comes into play because it immediately puts the Losers' Club in an us-vs-them scenario and you buy into Mike becoming a fast friend because, unlike Bowers and co, the kids aren't racist. Mike feels welcomed instantly. You lose that in this film, but then, as you said, they gave Mike nothing to do so it doesn't matter too much.
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They way Mike was handled was one of only two* real gripes I had/have. Not only is he poorly developed but he joins the group too late. By the time he joins it's the climax of the film. There's noting tying him to the other kids or Georgie, so why the hell would he risk his life against a killer clown? Maybe he has that historical perspective like Ben(or in the book) and can tie Pennywise to his parents deaths, but it wasn't conveyed in the film.

*the other is not enough scenes of the kids just being kids. They needed more of a connection than just helping Bill. I loved the quarry scene but the movie was definitely missing the barrens.
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^ And that's why some of us are holding on to the book so much - because it is infinitely superior in terms of characterization. This film could have nailed it, because the mini-series did with less time (the kids' story takes up no more time than this film's running time).

When Mike is getting harassed by Bowers, racism comes into play because it immediately puts the Losers' Club in an us-vs-them scenario and you buy into Mike becoming a fast friend because, unlike Bowers and co, the kids aren't racist. Mike feels welcomed instantly. You lose that in this film, but then, as you said, they gave Mike nothing to do so it doesn't matter too much.
But that part of the book was set in the 50s, where racism would have been a lot more open. Current politics aside, the bullying is more of a universal experience at the time they set this.
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^ And that's why some of us are holding on to the book so much - because it is infinitely superior in terms of characterization. This film could have nailed it, because the mini-series did with less time (the kids' story takes up no more time than this film's running time).

When Mike is getting harassed by Bowers, racism comes into play because it immediately puts the Losers' Club in an us-vs-them scenario and you buy into Mike becoming a fast friend because, unlike Bowers and co, the kids aren't racist. Mike feels welcomed instantly. You lose that in this film, but then, as you said, they gave Mike nothing to do so it doesn't matter too much.

I didn't mid, though, and as someone already pointed out -- it's a different time period altogether.
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But that part of the book was set in the 50s, where racism would have been a lot more open. Current politics aside, the bullying is more of a universal experience at the time they set this.
True, but I also have zero problem imagining Bowers '88 using the same language. He gets it from his dad, and that definitely isn't hard to believe.

Just like how he ragged on Stan for being Jewish.
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I'm just saying that treatment of black people isn't quite the same in the 80s as it would have been in the 50s. And there was enough racism directed toward Mike that I got the point.
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It made 35 million yesterday.




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Huh? It made $19.2m, heading for a roughly $60m second frame, which is still ridiculously good.
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Huh? It made $19.2m, heading for a roughly $60m second frame, which is still ridiculously good.

Huh, I thought I read Scott Mendelson say that. Must have misread, but the second week total will be insane -- it's definitely not front-loaded.
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Yea, an R-rated horror movie dropping less than 60% in its second weekend is unreal. Might even drop less than 55%. The lack of any strong competition and the hurricane last weekend def helped bolster the numbers.

Despite how I felt about the film, glad to see horror doing so well.
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Huh, I thought I read Scott Mendelson say that. Must have misread, but the second week total will be insane -- it's definitely not front-loaded.



62% = includes that $13.5m from Thursday previews, that's a pretty impressive hold.
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Thought his was pretty damn good, shot really well, the scene where they first stab him in the head looked so cool

Agreed that they had a lot of the same scares though

Saw it in IMAX even though it wasn't shot in it but man the sounds and bass were so fucking loud
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Saw it in IMAX even though it wasn't shot in it but man the sounds and bass were so fucking loud
I liked this quite a lot - much better than the TV version which I find inexplicably overrated. Great scares and captured the feeling of the book very well (even if a few of the characters like Mike got the shaft, others like Bev and Ben came out great).

But yeah my one criticism of it is as above - wayyyyy too loud in the scary scenes. I thought it was just my theatre but sounds like other people have this problem too. (This piece nicely explains the problem.) The scary bits of the film, while fun, actually seemed less effective to me than the more character-driven parts. But for a King movie (where at least 75% of the films of his work suck), it's a pretty great adaptation and I look forward to Chapter 2.
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Agreed. I love the film, but my only complaint is the sound. Jesus Christ was it loud during the 'jump scares' I jumped because my ears just exploded.
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Agreed. I love the film, but my only complaint is the sound. Jesus Christ was it loud during the 'jump scares' I jumped because my ears just exploded.
Same with our theater.

Movie was fantastic. I love scary movies and this one delivered on the creepiness factor... not only was I freaked out by Pennywise shuffling forward, but that ghastly woman thing from the Jewish boy's painting was creepy as hell.
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Did-- did someone actually claim Pet Sematary was an 'excellent' movie?

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^ I just watched it again the other day and, while I still love the setting and atmosphere and most of the story, my god, Louis and Jud are two of the least responsible leads I have ever seen in a film.
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Who claimed that?
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Caught this over the weekend and really enjoyed it. From the previews, I was a little worried the characters might take a backseat to cheap scares and that really didn't turn out to be the case. Other than poor handling of Mike, they did a solid job. It does make me want to rewatch the original though, because while I know some of the adult performances weren't the best, I remember really liking the kids and thinking they were generally good performances.

I'm probably in the minority, but while I thought the film was really good, I didn't find it scary at all. I think part of that is due to my age, decades of watching horror movies and getting to the point where I find aspects of real life to be infinitely more frightening than an imaginary child-eating, shape-shifting clown monster. That said, I still feel like Curry's performance and characterization was more unsettling. It felt like his Pennywise took a bit of glee in tearing kids apart, while Skarsgard's felt fairly emotionless. Not saying Skarsgard didn't do a great job, it was just a more animalistic approach.
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Who claimed that?
I did. Stupid Andy Muschietti said he wanted to remake Pet Semetary, and that's a good movie. There are far worse King adaptations that need a second try before remaking that.
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I'm kinda with you. I don't know if it's a "great" movie, but it is damn good on its own and a solid adaptation as well. Also, for the most part it holds up.pretty well.
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Javier Botet as Zelda would be scary as hell!
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