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Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix

Old 09-10-19, 11:56 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix

Saw the leaked footage too. Damn is all I can say.

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I know itís The Joker, but maybe a bit more fucked up than I really care to see. Iíll have to see the movie to really determine I guess. It comes off a bit weird to me especially in the DeNiro clip. Like he wants sympathy, but heís okay being crazy and doing fucked up things. Not sure how thatíll come across in the film.
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Old 09-10-19, 12:01 PM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix

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Saw the leaked footage too. Damn is all I can say.

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I know itís The Joker, but maybe a bit more fucked up than I really care to see. Iíll have to see the movie to really determine I guess. It comes off a bit weird to me especially in the DeNiro clip. Like he wants sympathy, but heís okay being crazy and doing fucked up things. Not sure how thatíll come across in the film.

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thats the beauty of his character. He is an unpredictable character. You dont know what to expect. That clip with DeNiro shows his madness. It shows that he is evil no matter what. Sure he will be coming out as wanting sympathy but his actions tell a different story.
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Old 09-10-19, 12:24 PM
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thats the beauty of his character. He is an unpredictable character. You dont know what to expect. That clip with DeNiro shows his madness. It shows that he is evil no matter what. Sure he will be coming out as wanting sympathy but his actions tell a different story.
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Eh I guess. Thing is though Joker usually unpredictable I agree, but the difference to me here is that the whole film kind of seems centered around his descent into madness and it looks like the film wants us to emphasize with Arthur. I think a character study of him doesnít really work so well when an entire film weíre supposed to sympathize with him (at least thatís how it seems to a degree in the trailers) only to climax in a way where heís giving his big spiel only to do what he does on the talk show. I think it would be better to have him in full blown Joker mode at that point. Not toying with people and wanting them to feel sorry for him, but just holding up the show or something. I guess weíll see how it plays out.
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Old 09-10-19, 01:56 PM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix

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Eh I guess. Thing is though Joker usually unpredictable I agree, but the difference to me here is that the whole film kind of seems centered around his descent into madness and it looks like the film wants us to emphasize with Arthur. I think a character study of him doesnít really work so well when an entire film weíre supposed to sympathize with him (at least thatís how it seems to a degree in the trailers) only to climax in a way where heís giving his big spiel only to do what he does on the talk show. I think it would be better to have him in full blown Joker mode at that point. Not toying with people and wanting them to feel sorry for him, but just holding up the show or something. I guess weíll see how it plays out.

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i get what you are saying but joker is crazy. He is a mad man. what he does on the talk show explains why he is a madman. so i am supposed to sympathize with a person who got laughed at for his jokes. he kills someone in cold blood on tv and now i am going to feel Deniros character deserves it. Nope he is a madman. He handled it in an evil way. The Joker way. Every iteration of the guy had the take on him. ledger had a person who wanted to watch the world burn. Burton's is a jokey fun version. This joker looks like a deranged looney who was pushed to the button because others pushed him. He was a bomb waitng to be lit. and they did the lighting
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Old 09-10-19, 07:07 PM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix

The trailers leave me with the impression this isn't about the Batman's JOKER, but about the disintegration of the psyche of someone, somewhere else...outside the Bat Universe as it were.
As a fan of both, I will be renting this to see what Philips and Phoenix did actually come up with.
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The trailers leave me with the impression this isn't about the Batman's JOKER, but about the disintegration of the psyche of someone, somewhere else...outside the Bat Universe as it were.
As a fan of both, I will be renting this to see what Philips and Phoenix did actually come up with.
Yeah, I mean this is based on the character but looks to be very loosely based on anything from the comics. It looks pretty good but I pretty much have completely detached myself from thinking itís in anything that resembles the typical Batman universe. If anything it would be like an Elseworlds tale.
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Old 09-13-19, 10:40 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix

damn saw the clip and goddammit

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That was rough. It felt very real. Not like a comic book villain but a real demented killer
As if i'm watching real murder happen, without been fictionalized. Dry, humorless, just empty
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