Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
04-03-19, 05:38 PM
#376
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I guess I just don’t see the point then. It’s like DC/Warner Bros. Is purposely going out of their way to not do anything like what Marvel is doing. It’s like they’re just throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks.
04-03-19, 05:48 PM
#377
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
The DCEU is essentially dead at this point. The films are going to be stand alone from the sound of things, but could tie together down the line. Personally I’d prefer that they could make a shared universe work, but since they’ve managed to screw up with the films they tried that with so at this point I’m taking the films as they come. It seems like they’re at least trying to move in better directions with their output going forward so I’m less pessimistic than I once was about the DC films.
04-03-19, 06:10 PM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Like I had mentioned... just CoIE the shit out of the DCEU at this point, instead of rebooting, and keep anything that worked and mold it into a singular Universe.
04-03-19, 07:27 PM
#380
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
i freeking love joaquin phoenix...he's the most intense method actor of our time he truly is without without peer, and with no fears and zero boundaries he will materialize the best joker ever rendered to the silver sceen. just wait and see.
*and wait for it...................................dare i predict an oscar nomination AND best actor win.
oh god, YES!
*and wait for it...................................dare i predict an oscar nomination AND best actor win.
oh god, YES!
04-03-19, 08:00 PM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I must not have been paying close enough attention to this production. I was surprised to see Robert De Niro in the trailer.
I’m not sure what to think yet. The Joker as a simpathetic character doesn’t do much for me. I much prefer a vague backstory, or as stated before an unreliable narrator who always keeps the audience guessing as to what’s true or not.
Phoenix and a DC Joker story have me sold though. Even if I’m not entirely convinced that watching a poor schlub’s decent into madness will be very entertaining.
I’m not sure what to think yet. The Joker as a simpathetic character doesn’t do much for me. I much prefer a vague backstory, or as stated before an unreliable narrator who always keeps the audience guessing as to what’s true or not.
Phoenix and a DC Joker story have me sold though. Even if I’m not entirely convinced that watching a poor schlub’s decent into madness will be very entertaining.
04-03-19, 08:10 PM
#383
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Yep. The Dark Knight nailed it by just showing him as is, psychotic and all. But I guess WB....and Todd Phillips.....see it fit that we have yet another origin story.
And the origin story? He was bullied. Lame.
And the origin story? He was bullied. Lame.
04-03-19, 09:30 PM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I don’t know what the fuck I saw, but I did not like it at all. As a Batman fan or hell, movie fan...
04-03-19, 10:35 PM
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04-03-19, 11:25 PM
#387
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Holy fuck, some of the melodramatic responses here 
Stop trying to tie everything into some kind of "universe" or "continuity". Just follow Rashi's example and receive with simplicity.
Stop trying to tie everything into some kind of "universe" or "continuity". Just follow Rashi's example and receive with simplicity.
04-04-19, 12:28 AM
#389
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
The trailer has me sold. Actually, I was sold once I saw that Joaquin Phoenix was signed on to play the Joker. But this trailer really surprised me. For some reason, based on the early set pictures, I just assumed this was going to be about his criminal life, pre-acid bath. Basically Heath Ledger Joker antics minus Batman. I wasn't expecting Taxi Driver meets The King of Comedy.
I'll be even happier if they don't have him permanently bleached and grinned by the end of the film. This film looks like it's trying to be a little different, and I like it.
This forum I swear.
"I don't like them giving an origin to the Joker". " I don't feel that we need an origin for the Joker".
Also this forum:
"I still love Batman 89!" (which featured an origin of The Joker and was almost more about the Joker than Batman)
"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Rocks!"(which featured backstory about the Joker)
Lets not discount the fact that Batman: The Killing Joke is one of the most acclaimed comic book stories of all time and features...an origin of the Joker.
It sounds like you're talking about me!
I don't like the idea of giving the Joker an origin but like you said, he's already had multiple! Unlike Wolverine, this actually makes sense with regards to the Joker: He's insane.
"Sometimes I remember it one, sometimes another...If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
I think it's a good thing if DC/Warner Bros are trying to be different from Marvel. Let Marvel Studios do the shared universe thing, and DC/Warner Bros do multiple Earths. That way each DC film might have the chance to be it's own thing, and not worry about how it fits in with the rest of the DCU or having to follow the same formula.
I'll be even happier if they don't have him permanently bleached and grinned by the end of the film. This film looks like it's trying to be a little different, and I like it.
This forum I swear."I don't like them giving an origin to the Joker". " I don't feel that we need an origin for the Joker".
Also this forum:
"I still love Batman 89!" (which featured an origin of The Joker and was almost more about the Joker than Batman)
"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Rocks!"(which featured backstory about the Joker)
Lets not discount the fact that Batman: The Killing Joke is one of the most acclaimed comic book stories of all time and features...an origin of the Joker.
I don't like the idea of giving the Joker an origin but like you said, he's already had multiple! Unlike Wolverine, this actually makes sense with regards to the Joker: He's insane.
"Sometimes I remember it one, sometimes another...If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
I think it's a good thing if DC/Warner Bros are trying to be different from Marvel. Let Marvel Studios do the shared universe thing, and DC/Warner Bros do multiple Earths. That way each DC film might have the chance to be it's own thing, and not worry about how it fits in with the rest of the DCU or having to follow the same formula.
Last edited by brayzie; 04-04-19 at 03:19 PM.
04-04-19, 03:00 AM
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I’m fine with DC doing its own thing, but unfortunately that’s proved to be pretty haphazard for their brand. About half of their movies are good and the other, well, not. I don’t think that’s a direction they should continue going in. If they’re serious about making sure their output is good, they need someone like a Kevin Feige over there to oversee these films. They don’t have to be a shared universe, but they should at least try to be appealing.
I have no trouble with this trailer. I think DC is going to have a very good year with Shazam, Joker, and Wonder Woman 1984. It’s just a shame that they are supposedly scrapping their shared universe when a good chunk of it actually seems to work, as long as the Snyder crap is scrapped for good.
I have no trouble with this trailer. I think DC is going to have a very good year with Shazam, Joker, and Wonder Woman 1984. It’s just a shame that they are supposedly scrapping their shared universe when a good chunk of it actually seems to work, as long as the Snyder crap is scrapped for good.
04-04-19, 03:58 AM
#391
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I’m fine with DC doing its own thing, but unfortunately that’s proved to be pretty haphazard for their brand. About half of their movies are good and the other, well, not. I don’t think that’s a direction they should continue going in. If they’re serious about making sure their output is good, they need someone like a Kevin Feige over there to oversee these films. They don’t have to be a shared universe, but they should at least try to be appealing.
I have no trouble with this trailer. I think DC is going to have a very good year with Shazam, Joker, and Wonder Woman 1984. It’s just a shame that they are supposedly scrapping their shared universe when a good chunk of it actually seems to work, as long as the Snyder crap is scrapped for good.
I have no trouble with this trailer. I think DC is going to have a very good year with Shazam, Joker, and Wonder Woman 1984. It’s just a shame that they are supposedly scrapping their shared universe when a good chunk of it actually seems to work, as long as the Snyder crap is scrapped for good.
04-04-19, 06:20 AM
#392
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I love the trailer. I think this is EXACTLY the kind of stuff DC needs to be doing. I don't need/want another superhero "universe" of films - the standalone stuff is more appealing to me - create a bunch of multi-universes if needed...that's much more interesting.
04-04-19, 07:42 AM
#394
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
With a budget of only $55m, this will be profitable regardless. It’ll make that money back opening weekend if I was a betting man.
04-04-19, 10:33 AM
#395
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Wow for a forum about movies, you guys suck at recognizing something with great potential
That trailer was fucking art
Yeah we don't know if the final product will deliver, but that trailer was beautiful
That trailer was fucking art
Yeah we don't know if the final product will deliver, but that trailer was beautiful
04-04-19, 10:50 AM
#397
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I’m fine with DC doing its own thing, but unfortunately that’s proved to be pretty haphazard for their brand. About half of their movies are good and the other, well, not. I don’t think that’s a direction they should continue going in. If they’re serious about making sure their output is good, they need someone like a Kevin Feige over there to oversee these films. They don’t have to be a shared universe, but they should at least try to be appealing.
I have no trouble with this trailer. I think DC is going to have a very good year with Shazam, Joker, and Wonder Woman 1984. It’s just a shame that they are supposedly scrapping their shared universe when a good chunk of it actually seems to work, as long as the Snyder crap is scrapped for good.
I have no trouble with this trailer. I think DC is going to have a very good year with Shazam, Joker, and Wonder Woman 1984. It’s just a shame that they are supposedly scrapping their shared universe when a good chunk of it actually seems to work, as long as the Snyder crap is scrapped for good.
And if they can at the same time release some non-continuity films like Joker that are free to take a different look or examination of madness, evil and heroism? Great, variety is good, imho!
04-04-19, 11:33 AM
#398
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
And that’s all the more hilarious, since WB created DC Films in an exact attempt to compete with Marvel Studios, but they didn’t know what the fuck they were doing, clearly. And yes, the most recent Superman and Batman have been scrapped. What DC is doing now isn’t anything different than what they did thirty years ago save for now they believe they can be successful without Batman or Superman. That’s a good thing, but spacing out the releases of some of their biggest characters (a three year gap for Wonder Woman? Dumb.) and their script issues for stuff like The Flash aren’t exactly good signs for things to come. And do they even know what they’re doing with The Batman? So yeah, I’m not so convinced.
