X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
#376
DVD Talk God
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I wonder if Disney/Marvel is secretly happy this is garbage and leaving a a bad taste in everyone's mouth, they can eventually reboot, and there will be no out cry. Basically the only thing right Fox did with the X-Men is the 1st 2 movies, maybe 1st Class and Logan, which is essentially because of how great Jackman is in the role.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
#377
DVD Talk Hero
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Dr. Doom is easy. He's Iron Man. Rich, powerful, egotistical, and brilliant. He has no powers, he has tech. He thinks he knows better than the people running his country, only unlike Iron Man he decides to take it over. He doesn't think he's the bad guy, he just thinks everyone who questions or opposes him is a fool.
Treat him like amoral Iron Man.
Treat him like amoral Iron Man.
The problem with adapting a good Dr. Doom isn't Doom himself, who is an iconic bad guy, it's adapting a good Fantastic Four and a Reed Richards you could honestly see as overshadowing him.
#378
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I wonder if Disney/Marvel is secretly happy this is garbage and leaving a a bad taste in everyone's mouth, they can eventually reboot, and there will be no out cry. Basically the only thing right Fox did with the X-Men is the 1st 2 movies, maybe 1st Class and Logan, which is essentially because of how great Jackman is in the role.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
Dead on. Let it sit as they move forward on Phase 4, get Fantastic 4 done right, then follow that up with a rebooted X-men.
#380
DVD Talk Legend
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I wonder if Disney/Marvel is secretly happy this is garbage and leaving a a bad taste in everyone's mouth, they can eventually reboot, and there will be no out cry. Basically the only thing right Fox did with the X-Men is the 1st 2 movies, maybe 1st Class and Logan, which is essentially because of how great Jackman is in the role.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
#381
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
This is my favorite X-Men story line.... I read reviews and now I a bit disappointed. But, I will still go watch it tomorrow.
#382
DVD Talk Hero
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I wonder if Disney/Marvel is secretly happy this is garbage and leaving a a bad taste in everyone's mouth, they can eventually reboot, and there will be no out cry. Basically the only thing right Fox did with the X-Men is the 1st 2 movies, maybe 1st Class and Logan, which is essentially because of how great Jackman is in the role.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
#383
DVD Talk God
#384
DVD Talk Legend
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
The only X-Men movie I unabashedly loved was First Class. Everything else ranged from really good (X2, Logan) to the OK (The Wolverine, Apocalypse, DOFP) to the utter excrement (Last Stand, Origins: Wolverine). It's time to put a bullet in the entire series.
#385
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Eh, screw the bad reviews. I love the series. Only Apocalypse and Wolverine:Origins were weak, IMO. Even so, Magneto had a great story in Apocalypse.
#386
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
This franchise has never been very good with continuity. Every time I watched one I felt like I missed one or two movies in between. So it's not much surprise they screwed up the Phoenix story again.
#387
DVD Talk Legend
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
First Class is far and away my favorite of the X-Men team films. I think by a longshot it's the best one. Logan is my favorite of the offshoot X/Wolverine films. Those two are my favorite. All the rest I really don't care a whole lot about, although I do think The Wolverine is also pretty entertaining despite not being perfect.
#388
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I thought it was weird that they jumped from First Class being in the 60s to Apocalypse being in the 80s. The 60s era gave X-Men a new vibe, and I was looking forward to seeing more films in that era.
#389
DVD Talk Hero
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
I wonder if Disney/Marvel is secretly happy this is garbage and leaving a a bad taste in everyone's mouth, they can eventually reboot, and there will be no out cry. Basically the only thing right Fox did with the X-Men is the 1st 2 movies, maybe 1st Class and Logan, which is essentially because of how great Jackman is in the role.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
Sure, they want to make money, but this makes it easy to move on from the garbage Fox had churned out.
#390
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
To be fair, they jumped from First Class in the 60s to DOFP in the 70s to Apocalypse in the 80s. I assume Dark Phoenix takes place in the 90s, though I haven't read reviews and I don't know for sure.
#391
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Someone who’s seen this will have to tell me, but is it true that
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#392
DVD Talk Legend
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
You would think it would be simple to adapt this to, say, a lex luthor instead of whatever it was we got.
The problem with adapting a good Dr. Doom isn't Doom himself, who is an iconic bad guy, it's adapting a good Fantastic Four and a Reed Richards you could honestly see as overshadowing him.
The problem with adapting a good Dr. Doom isn't Doom himself, who is an iconic bad guy, it's adapting a good Fantastic Four and a Reed Richards you could honestly see as overshadowing him.
Dr. Doom doesn't have powers. I don't know why the writers, producers, and directors felt the need to change Dr. Doom into a super powered villain. The threat he posed was due to his intellect and his tech. Why is that so hard to figure out?
The source material was great. The adaptations sucked because they made radical changes to the source material.
Imagine Marvel changing the Cinematic Iron Man into a guy with super powers who just put on a suit as protection from bullets or something. That would have been equally stupid.
It's all about the TECH. Doom is a freaking genius, like Tony Stark. It's not hard to adapt that to the big screen.
#393
DVD Talk Hero
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
And yet, BOTH times that Fox adapeted Dr. Doom they screwed him up. Badly.
Dr. Doom doesn't have powers. I don't know why the writers, producers, and directors felt the need to change Dr. Doom into a super powered villain. The threat he posed was due to his intellect and his tech. Why is that so hard to figure out?
The source material was great. The adaptations sucked because they made radical changes to the source material.
Imagine Marvel changing the Cinematic Iron Man into a guy with super powers who just put on a suit as protection from bullets or something. That would have been equally stupid.
It's all about the TECH. Doom is a freaking genius, like Tony Stark. It's not hard to adapt that to the big screen.
Dr. Doom doesn't have powers. I don't know why the writers, producers, and directors felt the need to change Dr. Doom into a super powered villain. The threat he posed was due to his intellect and his tech. Why is that so hard to figure out?
The source material was great. The adaptations sucked because they made radical changes to the source material.
Imagine Marvel changing the Cinematic Iron Man into a guy with super powers who just put on a suit as protection from bullets or something. That would have been equally stupid.
It's all about the TECH. Doom is a freaking genius, like Tony Stark. It's not hard to adapt that to the big screen.
#394
DVD Talk Legend
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Yeah, and??
The FF would have been easier to do if they had done Doom right. They made Doom either vain and insecure or really odd and quirky. Neither take is the real Doom.
Make Doom formidable, and then you HAVE to make Reed formidable as an intellect. Make Doom less, and Reed can be less. He has to be.
The FF would have been easier to do if they had done Doom right. They made Doom either vain and insecure or really odd and quirky. Neither take is the real Doom.
Make Doom formidable, and then you HAVE to make Reed formidable as an intellect. Make Doom less, and Reed can be less. He has to be.
#395
DVD Talk Hero
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
edited to add: and Beast.
#396
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Yeah, the continuity is out of whack in these movies. First Class takes place in 1962 and Xavier and Magneto are in their late 20s-early 30s. Dark Phoenix is set in 1992, but these two certainly don't look around 60 years old in the movie.
#397
DVD Talk Legend
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
Yeah, I’m not sure why they thought it was necessary to have the films featuring the First Class cast set in a different decade for each film. Really messed up with how old the characters are supposed to be. I guess what’s it matter though? The entire franchise is fucked as far as the timeline.
#398
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
WTF happened to Famke!?! Those cheek enhancements are horrible.
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#399
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019, D: Kinberg) S: McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, Turner, Hoult
damn... not the Famke I remember. Jesus..
#400
DVD Talk Legend