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Old 03-06-17, 09:30 PM   #76
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Re: Logan (Mangold, 2017) The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

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So Logan was being poisoned by the adamantium and it caused him it to impede healing and that is what allowed him to die?
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That was my understanding, yes.
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The weird part is that the adamantium would hinder his healing. It's not canon, but he seemed to have healed quite nicely in The Last Stand as Dark Phoenix tried to dissolve him.
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Re: Logan (Mangold, 2017) The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

He's got to be at least 150 by the time Logan takes place, right? Even with a healing factor, things are probably going to break down. He probably can't get berzerker rage boners anymore either.
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The weird part is that the adamantium would hinder his healing. It's not canon, but he seemed to have healed quite nicely in The Last Stand as Dark Phoenix tried to dissolve him.
I took it as a long term form of poisoning, like lead poisoning. His whole skeleton is plated with adamantium, and his healing factor has essentially been working nonstop since it was installed to prevent it from killing him. Eventually his power weakened as a result.

None of this is spelled out in the movie itself but that was my take on it.
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Caught a 5pm show tonight.

I agree with the majority. It was one of the best movies in the series and I really liked how tonally it took a darker and grittier direction.

They said this movie takes place in 2029. I know the timeline for the X-Men movies is very convoluted. I do have a question, in Days of Future Past when Logan returned from the 70's to the "revised" future with everyone alive including Jean, what year was that supposed to be? Just curious how long it's been timeline-wise since we last saw Logan and Charles.

It was interesting seeing Logan's body (after being immortal for so long) gradually break down during the course of the movie.

I at how Charles went from being a vibrant and articulate character in past movies including the ones with McAvoy to being a cranky old man. It did feel like a natural progression for him, especially since he was 95.

That climatic battle scene with Logan was pretty awesome. Very sad death scene with him and Laura. I know most here hate kid actors, but she was really good.


at the Deadpool teaser and using the Superman music with the phone booth. That was great.
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Re: Logan (Mangold, 2017) The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

The end of DOFP is assumed to be 2023. Kitty sends Logan back 50 years to 1973, so present is 2023.
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I am sure i saw in the movie that it says its set in 2029.
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I am sure i saw in the movie that it says its set in 2029.
He was answering my question about how many years have passed since DOFP.

I know Logan takes place in 2029.
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So if they were to continue with X-23 wouldn't the fact that she's already got the adamantium in her stunt her growth? Who knows if they even will go forward with her but I don't see how they'd be able to explain the characters growth if so. Then again so much of the X-Men universe doesn't exactly gel as is so I guess it could just be written off and accepted.
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So if they were to continue with X-23 wouldn't the fact that she's already got the adamantium in her stunt her growth? Who knows if they even will go forward with her but I don't see how they'd be able to explain the characters growth if so. Then again so much of the X-Men universe doesn't exactly gel as is so I guess it could just be written off and accepted.
In the comics, I'm pretty sure she just has adamantium claws and regular bones.
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Yeah Laura got her arm cut off once

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at the Deadpool teaser and using the Superman music with the phone booth. That was great.
see the extended version on YouTube. thought it was better with the added bits...
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so, does this follow any of the character's comics or graphic novels? i want to know if there is truly is an "Eden" and the kids did make it there...
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It's loosely based on the "Old Man Logan" mini-series, but Eden was made up for the movie, and so were all of the kids except Laura/X-23. Laura also does not appear in "Old Man Logan"
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oh, ok. thanks Obi-Wan. my imagination had hoped the kids made it and other known X-Men were there as well...

again, how did mutants get wiped out?
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Isn't there a new Old Man Logan series (not the original trade paperback) that does have X-23 in it?
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It's loosely based on the "Old Man Logan" mini-series, but Eden was made up for the movie, and so were all of the kids except Laura/X-23. Laura also does not appear in "Old Man Logan"
Rictor comes from the comics. That's the only name we got so I'm not sure whether the other kids do or not.
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oh, ok. thanks Obi-Wan. my imagination had hoped the kids made it and other known X-Men were there as well...

again, how did mutants get wiped out?
In the Old Man Logan comic, there was a scene where there was an attack on the mansion by tons of super villains, and Wolverine slaughtered them all. Then it was revealed that only Mysterio had invaded the mansion, and created an illusion. The "villains" that Wolverine had slaughtered were actually the X-Men.

In the film, Charles killed the X-men, during one of his attacks, like the one in Vegas. The film doesn't beat you over the head with it, but there's references to a terrible incident at Westchester and Charles saying that he doesn't deserve this, and that he remembers what happened at Westchester.

As for why there are no new mutants being born, that is also explained in the film. Dr. Rice reveals that he concocted a formula, distributed in the genetically altered corn syrup that his company was manufacturing, that would suppress the mutant gene. Assuring that no other mutants would be born, he began genetically engineering new mutants that he would control.

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The original Old Man Logan series was a set in an alternate timeline. Old Man Logan (the character) was brought into the mainstream timeline after the Death of Wolverine in the 616 continuity. In that continuity Laura had taken up the mantle of Wolverine.

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Rictor comes from the comics. That's the only name we got so I'm not sure whether the other kids do or not.
Rictor is a character from the comics, and I completely forgot that his name was mentioned in the film, but his origin in the comics was nothing like the film. His even being there is kind of one of the throwaway appearances that we are accustomed to in this series (see Lee, Jubilation).

EDIT: Rictor was one of the New Mutants though. I guess it is possible that this group is intended to be the start of that. There is a New Mutants movie that has long been on the back burner at Fox. The title would even make a lot of sense in the universe that has been set up.
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Rictor in the film was a Mexican version of Magneto, but a teenager.
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Did anyone else think that Laura's mother was gonna end up being Jean Grey? She had similar looks and when Charles said " who do you think she looks like?" I figured he was alluding to Logan having an affair with Grey.
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Did anyone else think that Laura's mother was gonna end up being Jean Grey? She had similar looks and when Charles said " who do you think she looks like?" I figured he was alluding to Logan having an affair with Grey.
I thought that too ...

as to the movie overall - wow, what a ride! I haven't liked any of the stand alone Wolverine movies til now, the R-rated violence helped a lot, it added a much needed ferocity - it wasn't comic book gore like 'Deadpool' but the viciousness seemed appropriate.
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Rictor in the film was a Mexican version of Magneto, but a teenager.
Uh, what? Rictor can cause quakes in the earth. He lifted that truck by upending the ground underneath it. Nothing like Magneto.
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I read on another site (I forget where) that when shuffling through the files for the children that the DNA for the "father" of Rictor in the movie was the name of the villain Avalanche, who has similar powers.
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Logan was very well made, but I just don't know how I feel about it.

It is such a downer, sad, depressing movie, but really good. I just hate that they killed both Professor X and Logan. It just didn't seem necessary. Kind of like how they killed off Captain Kirk in ST Generations, but couldn't think of a good way to do it. They knew they wanted to kill him off, but couldn't find a good, organic way to incorporate it into the story. This death was better than that one, but I just didn't think it made the movie any better, and really kind of made it worse by ending on such a downer note.

I actually enjoyed The Wolverine more than this one, even if this one had a better script, better direction, and better acting.
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