MLBFan24

My eyes must have been really bad because when I saw this in theater and saw Tarkin, I thought - wow, they found someone who looks like Tarkin and did a good makeup job

TGM

cgi Tarkan was phenomenal. cgi Leia was, uh, rough. But her cameo was worth the slight disbelief.

OldBoy

i equate Chirrut's scene to this in A New Hope. just pure blind luck...

story

In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.

tanman

yup....

tanman

But one thing that I was really impressed with Tarkin was how much screen time he received. They didn't always have him in the shadows. In fact I like the way they kind of teased his reveal by keeping him in the shadows at first and making those in the know think they would do that the whole movie until blam, he walks right into the light and it's not uncanny at all.

Does anyone know if they ever worked out all the legality in bringing someone back from the dead? Did they contact Peter Cushing's estate and ask permission? Do they need to? Going forward will that now be part of an actor's contract? It's pretty fascinating from a legal POV as well.

Michael Corvin

Cushing's estate gave them permission.

lopper

Was there ever any real question about if the Cushing estate was involved in this? That they were not consulted/compensated?

OldBoy

yes, way to repeat your exact post. it has nothing to do with you, this is a movie.

Jay G.

He's quoting Obi-Wan in Star Wars.

dex14

TGM

Mike86

Even if he’s not repeating himself, Oldboy why are you so hung up on this Chirrut wasn’t Force sensitive thing? We only know how the Jedi wield it, but I think it can be different things to different people.

Jay G.

Oldboy's response:


But seriously, back in the original trilogy, Luke is shown able to use the Force with only a modicum of training, first with the Death Star trench run, then able to force pull his lightsaber in ESB without Obi-Wan training him on that, and before training with Yoda. Leia is shown as Force sensitive in both ESB ("hearing" Luke and able to locate him), and in TORJ ("knowing" Luke is her brother, sensing he got off the Death Star in time). The prequels have young Anakin almost subconsiously using the Force in his pod racing, long before Qui-Gon shows up. Maz is shown to be possibly force sensitive in TFA. There's room for the Force to affect and be used by more than just Jedi.

OldBoy

bc it's just not logical and he simply wasn't. he died on the same route he took getting back after the panel. what happened there? he lost it all of a sudden? if he was, then R2 and C-3PO were as well.

OldBoy

all of your examples, with the exception of Maz had those stupid mido-chlorians in their veins and that explains them using without a modicum of training.

Jay G.

As much as I hate mido-chlorians, the prequels make clear that there's stupid mido-chlorians in everyone's veins.

From The Phantom Menace:
Anakin is stated as being special because he has an unusually high count. But he had to be tested for that. Maz and Chirrut could mave more midi-chlorians than normal, but they've never been tested. As the prequels point out, the Jedi historically didn't have kids, so just sought out throughout the galaxy those who were more force sensitive and/or with an above-average midi-chlorian count to take on as Padewans to train to become Jedi. So force sensitivity via midi-clorian count seems to be, outside of heredity, a random genetic lottery, or at least random from the viewpoint of the Jedi, else they've be better able to locate potential candidates.

Artman

Unpopular opinion I know, but this is my least favorite of the new films... just zero interest in ever watching it again. I have hope for the upcoming mini-series, in hindsight the spin-off films would've benefited from just being in that format to begin with.

kefrank

There is nothing "logical" and very little consistency in the explanations of the Force or the power it conveys in the Star Wars universe. In many ways, it's the ultimate Plot Voucher for those who are portrayed as possibly being "force sensitive."

OldBoy

ok. i'm spent.

Jay G.

The Qui-Gon quote I provided states that the Force has a "will," so maybe it was the will of the Force to have the Rogue One mission be ultimately successful in stopping a machine that could destroy a planet full of life in an instant, but the Force wasn't going to will Chirrut to survive the trip back when, ultimately, they were all going to die anyway.

tanman

That's just my ignorance/forgetfullness. If they contacted his estate then I guess there's still no legal precedence? I don't know if it was the same back then or not but now part of the deal is you sign away your rights to the character you're playing. So studios basically own your likeness as that character. Of course legality and good taste are separate things but I'm just curious if a studio really wanted to "bring someone back from the dead" without their estate's permission could they?

Jay G.

Maybe for merchandise, but not for sequels. Crispin Glover actually set that precedent over BTTF 2:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person...#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_t...Crispin_Glover
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/th...a-legal-833705

I'm pretty sure every dead actor that has appeared in a later film and/or commercial has had their likeness licensed from their estate. Hell, Lucasfilm had to get permission from Carrie Fisher's estate to use footage of her in Rise of Skywalker:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...ars-episode-ix

tanman

That's fascinating. I didn't know that about Crispin Glover and BTTF.

Now it's really making me wonder about the COD games. I've seen recent commercials that shows Ronald Regan being depicted in the games. I'm pretty sure they didn't ask his estate's permission. Or are historical figures exempt from personality rights?

devilshalo

I think Presidents are more of a public figure. Could you imagine a studio having to pay out a likeness license for Abraham Lincoln, who has been portrayed in films of all kinds? It also allows films to use any news footage ie. Forrest Gump.