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Old 12-26-16, 03:05 PM
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I don't know if it's ever been fully explained in "canon" sources, but I've often wondered just how extensive the rebellion was. Was the group we saw on Yavin IV in ANH and Hoth in ESB it? Or were there other "cells" out there? It seems like Luke's group wasn't very large, maybe a few thousand people and a handful of ships. It doesn't really seem like enough to oppose a galactic empire spanning hundreds/thousands of planets. It's sort of implied in ANH that what we see on Yavin IV is the extent of the Rebellion, though the dialog from the Imperials would seem to indicate certain planets were opposing the Empire.
No non-Skywalkers allowed. The Rebellion AND the Empire are only as big as the family tree.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ

George Lucas made his fair share of mistakes with the franchise and I'm not defending him but there was a point where he just couldn't win. I don't blame him for cutting himself loose from the fanboy criticism when he did (of course a $4 billion payday didn't hurt).
Every fanbase to a movie franchise is like this. I'm not defending the bickering on the internet, I'm just saying it isn't limited to George Lucas.

I remember people HATED the Matrix sequels in 2003. The Wackowski Brothers got buried by the fans saying the sequels were shitty, pretentious, boring, etc.

How about the Ben Affleck hate being Batman before the movie ever came out? I could go through almosy every franchise when the fanbase turned on it. But for some reason it's the SW Prequel hate that is the only example brought up by people?

The sad thing is Lucas admitted to listening to the internet hate and taking it to heart. We are a small % of fans out there as there are so many of my friends who don't post internet boards as their voice is never heard.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by mcnabb
Every fanbase to a movie franchise is like this. I'm not defending the bickering on the internet, I'm just saying it isn't limited to George Lucas.

I remember people HATED the Matrix sequels in 2003. The Wackowski Brothers got buried by the fans saying the sequels were shitty, pretentious, boring, etc.
The Matrix sequels were called shitty, pretentious, boring, etc because they were shitty, pretentious, boring, etc. You're ignoring the massive amount of hype those films had before they came out. People were touting them as the next great sci-fi trilogy.

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How about the Ben Affleck hate being Batman before the movie ever came out....
That's maybe a sign of prejudice, but one that ultimately shows that such prejudice can be proven wrong, as a lot of fans said that Ben Affleck was the best part of that film, and are now looking forward to his solo Batman movie.

Similarly, Heath Ledger got a bit of flack for taking the role of The Joker before that movie came out. Once it came out, a lot of people were singing a different tune. In contrast, some people didn't like the idea of Jared Leto as The Joker, and the film just confirmed their expectations.

For me, I hated the Star Wars prequels because they were garbage. And I waited in line to buy tickets for Episode 1 on opening day. I was hoping it'd be good, to enjoy, not something to hate. Maybe expectations were too high for the film, but even with hindsight, I don't think they're very good. They take a promising storyline (the fall of Anakin Skywalker) and just squander it. In contrast, Rogue One takes the absolute thinnest of premises (how did the rebels get the Death Star plans?) with some strong restrictions with staying in canon, and delivered an engaging, entertaining work, if not perfect.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Saw it today. I enjoyed it very much. First half maybe could have used an extra action scene, but the second half made up for it. Very nostalgic.

I didn't really enjoy Godzilla all that much, so I was actually expecting a slower paced movie for Rogue One. I set my expectations low, which helped me enjoy the movie more.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

really liked it, watching the half in the bag review now and am already disagreeing with them
liked the little references even if they were fan service. Fans are the ones funding these movies
like that they got Jimmy Smits to come back even though I admit when he was originally cast in the prequels I wasn't too thrilled
red leader and gold leader being in it
I liked cgi Tarkin and Leia

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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Listened to some of the soundtrack on youtube and it's quite good. I didn't notice the music that much during the movie, which is a good thing. I forgot which composer said that if you don't notice the music during the movie, he did his job. You're not supposed to think about the music. For this movie, they fit into the scenes seamlessly, which is great.

I also liked how the typical "Star Wars" opening was abandoned. Mixing things up.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Mr. Plinkett nailed it. Rogue One is getting overwhelming praise from fanboys wearing nostalgia goggles. It actually suffers a lot of the same issues that Transformers get shit on for. Underwritten and forgettable characters in a lackluster story which ends in a yawn inducing battle with nobody you care about.

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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Dubya
If Disney decides to do that I hope they get to it because...not to be morbid but James Earl Jones will be 86 next month. It is one thing to have a voice actor impersonate Peter Cushing's voice. James Earl Jones' voice cannot be duplicated.
I had to check IMDB to confirm James Earl Jones did this one. Didn't really sound like him to me
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Not a fanboy in the least.

High Point: The "Wild Bunch" spirit of the characters. Everyone dies. No last minute saves. It helped tighten the story. Not much beats tight scripting.

Low Point: I understood they had to get the signal out. But the random console out in the open? Complete with a "masterswitch". And then a similar console on the satellite tower almost made me lol. There was a lot of coincidence with all of that stuff. Maybe it was justified as being "The Force" guiding them.

I also giggled a little when the Alliance ship went all Prometheus on the Star Destroyer.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

I watched it this afternoon. I'd avoided all mention of the movie and had no idea what the plot was or that it tied in directly with the original trilogy. So... it wasn't until the last ~15 minutes when I finally put it all together and realized it's a direct prequel to Star Wars ("A New Hope" for all you revisionists out there).

My son asked how I liked the CGI Tarkin and I had no idea who he was talking about until he went into more detail. I'm a old, long time, classic horror fan and "Tarkin" has always been Peter Cushing for me - even in Star Wars. So... I see him, think he looks a bit odd and was all "But he died some time back didn't he?" and figured I'd double check when I got home. Until a obvious CGI Carrie Fisher appeared at the end it didn't sink in he was CGI. That explained why he looked and acted a bit oddly.

Several times (OK... more than several) I would have sworn the dialog was written by Lucas as it had some of that awkwardness so much on display in the prequel trilogy.

They should have used music from the original trilogy (or essentially the themes so well established for the series) and not try to create a new score. It just didn't work as well for me and wasn't that good and frequently felt rather choppy. They also should have made it clear at the beginning of the film that it's a true prequel story to Star Wars.

I absolutely did not care about any of the new characters and felt no loss when they died. In fact several times during the film I found myself thinking they should kill some of the new people off and possible let the Empire win to make a more interesting film and not just another "the good guys win again" film. I was pleasantly surprised when it played out that way.

I was also annoyed in the last third of the film by all the "main controls" out in plain sight, in the weather, with absolutely *no* security around them. "The beam is out of alignment" with a pan to the control at the end of a catwalk. That was just about as inane as having to climb to the dish to be able to transfer the file.

Overall, I enjoyed the film, more so when I realized it was a direct prequel to Star Wars and not just some lame "here's another story in the SW universe" film (which is what I thought it was going in). I'd give it a 6/10. Good but not great. Had they used the "standard" Star Wars score/themes I'd have given it a 7/10. Yeah, the score hurt it that much for me. I absolutely liked it better than Episodes I-III and a bit more than the last film (which I feel is essentially nothing more than a hack retelling of episodes IV-VI). I can see myself watching this followed by IV-VI on a fairly regular basis.
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Originally Posted by Lara Means
Mr. Plinkett nailed it. Rogue One is getting overwhelming praise from fanboys wearing nostalgia goggles. It actually suffers a lot of the same issues that Transformers get shit on for. Underwritten and forgettable characters in a lackluster story which ends in a yawn inducing battle with nobody you care about.

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Aw shucks. Am I going to disagree with that bastard for the first time? Sounds like it.
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
I'm seeing the blind monk's mantra being used in all kinds of memes, "I am one with the Force, the Force is with me."
Well.. it was pretty memorable and Donnie Yen is a film legend.

Besides that, the only thing that stuck with me was the "Rogue 1 call-sign" scene.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Yeah, divorced of "Star Wars", Rogue One has nothing.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

Originally Posted by Lara Means
Mr. Plinkett nailed it. Rogue One is getting overwhelming praise from fanboys wearing nostalgia goggles. It actually suffers a lot of the same issues that Transformers get shit on for. Underwritten and forgettable characters in a lackluster story which ends in a yawn inducing battle with nobody you care about.

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I've never been able to sit through a Plinkett review, but the Transformers films pay absolutely no honor to the original series and stories. The designs are horrific and what I've seen of the films reeks of Michael Bay films that happen to have giant robots shoehorned in.

And the final battle had the Rebel Alliance fleet, which we've cared about since 1977 (especially with the inclusion of Red Leader and Gold Leader, not to mention knowing that Leia and the Tantive IV were right there at the battle.)

Originally Posted by slop101
Yeah, divorced of "Star Wars", Rogue One has nothing.
The only Star Wars film that can really stand on it's own is the original one in 1977, and that's only because Lucas didn't know if he'd be able to make the sequels so he gave it a decent ending (with openings for more stories).



Look, this film was made for fans of Star Wars. As a standalone film, it's pretty flimsy, but as filling in backstory it's great. I certainly am looking forward to slotting it right in between the Clone Wars and Episode IV in future saga re-watches.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

I should also mention - the General in command of Blue Team, with the porn-stache, that's the actor (I forget his name) that played Father Marcus in the Exorcist television show. FYI.
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I got the soundtrack for Xmas and its growing on me. I can't really compare it to the originals because they are so ingrained and I have listened to them for so long.

The prequel music didn't have much of an impact on me except for a few specific tracks although I didn't really like the prequels so that affects my view of the music as well.
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
I should also mention - the General in command of Blue Team, with the porn-stache, that's the actor (I forget his name) that played Father Marcus in the Exorcist television show. FYI.

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The appearance of Princess Leia (even if it is just CGI) is even more poignant now .
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The appearance of Princess Leia (even if it is just CGI) is even more poignant now .
You mean because Carrie Fisher just passed away?
http://people.com/movies/carrie-fisher-dies/
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He also has a prominent role in the first season of "House of Cards."
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Edwards, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread

The "Don't choke on your ambition" line was really a little...much. I couldn't help but roll my eyes.

This was a little long and disjointed, but and fitting into the existing chronology meant that there were few surprises (not to mention the reminder of it leading into the movie I still can't fucking watch!), but definitely some cool stuff. Wish Donnie Yen Ji-Dan had gotten another fight, but it was cool to see him kick some ass. Seeing Vader cut loose at the end was particularly cool.
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I just saw it today, I surprisingly liked it, it had some fun references to the Original Trilogy, and gave me hope Disney might be capable of making a decent Star Wars movie.
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The "Don't choke on your ambition" line was really a little...much. I couldn't help but roll my eyes.
It's aspirations not ambition. Vade-dog was making a pun.
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Originally Posted by Bluelitespecial
I just saw it today, I surprisingly liked it, it had some fun references to the Original Trilogy, and gave me hope Disney might be capable of making a decent Star Wars movie.
So you liked it, but still don't think it was decent?

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