Star Trek 4 (?) -- news, rumors, etc.
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Bring it on, I’ve come to enjoy the Kelvin cast.
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Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth are no longer boldly going where no person has gone before.
The two actors were in negotiations to star in Star Trek 4 but sources say that talks between the two actors and the companies making the new installment, Paramount Pictures and Skydance Media, have fallen apart, with both sides walking away from the table.
Dealmaking with other returning castmembers — including Zoe Saldana, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Simon Pegg and John Cho — was expected to follow suit.
Pine was due to reprise his role as iconic sci-fi hero Captain Kirk, which he has inhabited for three movies, while Hemsworth was to have played his father in a time-traveling adventure. (Hemsworth played the role in the prologue in the 2009 movie that rebooted the franchise.)
The deal points came down to the usual suspect: money. Pine and Hemsworth, among Hollywood’s A-list when starring in DC or Marvel movies, are said to be asking the studios to stick to existing deals. Paramount, according to insiders, contends that Trek is not like a Marvel or Star Wars movie and is trying to hold the line on a budget.
The actors, according to sources, insist they have deals in place and that the studios are reneging on them, forcing them to take pay cuts as they try to budget a movie that is following a mediocre performer.
Pine, at least, has had a deal in place for several years. The actor, now a key player in the Wonder Woman franchise, signed up for a fourth movie when he made his deal for 2016's Star Trek Beyond. Hemsworth has been attached to Trek 4 since Paramount, then run by the previous regime headed by Brad Grey, announced the fourth installment in 2016, although his exact status remains murky.
The studio, however, is backing its budget tough talk with past performance numbers. The last movie, Star Trek Beyond, grossed only $343 million worldwide on a budget of $190 million. In fact, one insider says the companies lost money on the movie.
The 2009 reboot that kicked off this run of movies, titled simply Star Trek, made $386 million while 2013’s Star Trek Into Darkness, is the top earner of any Trek movie, with $467 million. Meanwhile, Marvel, DC, or Star Wars movies regularly gross north of $700 million if not hitting $1 billion. Not for lack of trying, the Trek movies seem to have a ceiling, especially globally.
It is unclear what the next step is for Trek 4. The project could recast Kirk and his father. Or perhaps the two sides could come back to the table.
Either way, Paramount and Skydance insiders say the movie, also produced by J.J. Abrams' Bad Robot, remains a priority development and is not being put on hold. Adding a veneer of enterprise to the project is that for the first time in the franchise history, a female director, S. J. Clarkson (Jessica Jones, Succession), is sitting in the captain’s chair.
Paramount had no comment. CAA, which reps Pine and Hemsworth, had no comment.
The two actors were in negotiations to star in Star Trek 4 but sources say that talks between the two actors and the companies making the new installment, Paramount Pictures and Skydance Media, have fallen apart, with both sides walking away from the table.
Dealmaking with other returning castmembers — including Zoe Saldana, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Simon Pegg and John Cho — was expected to follow suit.
Pine was due to reprise his role as iconic sci-fi hero Captain Kirk, which he has inhabited for three movies, while Hemsworth was to have played his father in a time-traveling adventure. (Hemsworth played the role in the prologue in the 2009 movie that rebooted the franchise.)
The deal points came down to the usual suspect: money. Pine and Hemsworth, among Hollywood’s A-list when starring in DC or Marvel movies, are said to be asking the studios to stick to existing deals. Paramount, according to insiders, contends that Trek is not like a Marvel or Star Wars movie and is trying to hold the line on a budget.
The actors, according to sources, insist they have deals in place and that the studios are reneging on them, forcing them to take pay cuts as they try to budget a movie that is following a mediocre performer.
Pine, at least, has had a deal in place for several years. The actor, now a key player in the Wonder Woman franchise, signed up for a fourth movie when he made his deal for 2016's Star Trek Beyond. Hemsworth has been attached to Trek 4 since Paramount, then run by the previous regime headed by Brad Grey, announced the fourth installment in 2016, although his exact status remains murky.
The studio, however, is backing its budget tough talk with past performance numbers. The last movie, Star Trek Beyond, grossed only $343 million worldwide on a budget of $190 million. In fact, one insider says the companies lost money on the movie.
The 2009 reboot that kicked off this run of movies, titled simply Star Trek, made $386 million while 2013’s Star Trek Into Darkness, is the top earner of any Trek movie, with $467 million. Meanwhile, Marvel, DC, or Star Wars movies regularly gross north of $700 million if not hitting $1 billion. Not for lack of trying, the Trek movies seem to have a ceiling, especially globally.
It is unclear what the next step is for Trek 4. The project could recast Kirk and his father. Or perhaps the two sides could come back to the table.
Either way, Paramount and Skydance insiders say the movie, also produced by J.J. Abrams' Bad Robot, remains a priority development and is not being put on hold. Adding a veneer of enterprise to the project is that for the first time in the franchise history, a female director, S. J. Clarkson (Jessica Jones, Succession), is sitting in the captain’s chair.
Paramount had no comment. CAA, which reps Pine and Hemsworth, had no comment.
#32
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Well that certainly sucks. I quite liked Pine as Kirk. Even though the rest of the cast may still be there they almost are better off scratching this and doing something completely different as they’ve lost their leading star and character.
#34
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I was kinda thinking maybe it’s time to a TNG movie universe reboot too. As much as I hate the idea as it’s my personal favorite Trek series and it’s going to be difficult for me seeing any of those roles recast it’s really the next logical step. Going forward without Kirk or recasting is going to doom this movie. It was hard enough to get someone to fill the shoes of Shatner but somehow Pine became fairly well liked. No way that happens twice though.
#35
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I'd really rather not have a fourth nuTrek movie center around Hemsworth's character. Just seems like another wasted small concept movie. Anotjer movie about Kirk's daddy issues. Yawn. Just give Pine what he wants, and fight the nuBorg or nuDoomsday Machine.
On that note, wouldn't mind them recasting these nuTrek characters as necessary, though. None of them have hit the "icon" status the originals did. Frankly, Pine looks he's aged thirty years since the first Trek in '09.
On that note, wouldn't mind them recasting these nuTrek characters as necessary, though. None of them have hit the "icon" status the originals did. Frankly, Pine looks he's aged thirty years since the first Trek in '09.
#36
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For me while none of the new cast is iconic as their original counterparts I think they’ve done a decent job and I like the three movies in the Abrams-verse pretty well. I think Pine works well because he’s not a carbon copy of Shatner but to me he’s got enough gravitas by now that I accept his Kirk. I think part of the problem is that Paramount has really never given Star Trek proper respect. It’s always kind of come off like they have the mentality of “I guess we have that Star Trek thing we can do something with even though we don’t really give a shit”.
Last edited by Mike86; 08-10-18 at 08:26 PM.
#37
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Exaggerate much? He's got some gray, sure, but he doesn't look like any 50-60 year old that I know. He still looks younger than Shatner in any of the original Trek films
#38
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Frankly this whole concept sounded like nothing more than trying to cash in on Hemsworth’s popularity. Seems like a silly reason to write an entire movie for. Kirk’s dad was never meant to be anything beyond what we saw in Star Trek ‘09 until they realized he was played by a now famous actor.
#39
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It's Paramount playing hardball like, as someone pointed out on another forum, they have done with Tom Cruise on the past few Mission Impossible movies. A deal will be made.
#40
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I don’t want to see a recast so soon. If they can’t make a deal, then let this series be a trilogy and just move on.
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#42
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I’m not so positive. They probably view Pine as easier to replace than someone like Cruise. Star Trek also doesn’t pull in nearly the same numbers as Mission: Impossible.
#43
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Well, we'll see. I just think Paramount is trying to save money and get the budget down more. It'd just be odd for them to recast Pine as Kirk and yet literally everyone else is back. Hemsworth OTOH is probably expendable and can be recast since he was only in the first one (which by the time this comes out will be 10+ years) and only for a few minutes.
#44
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Well, we'll see. I just think Paramount is trying to save money and get the budget down more. It'd just be odd for them to recast Pine as Kirk and yet literally everyone else is back. Hemsworth OTOH is probably expendable and can be recast since he was only in the first one (which by the time this comes out will be 10+ years) and only for a few minutes.
#45
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True.
Anyway, like I said, it's a strategy on both sides and a deal will get done.
Anyway, like I said, it's a strategy on both sides and a deal will get done.
#46
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Frankly this whole concept sounded like nothing more than trying to cash in on Hemsworth’s popularity. Seems like a silly reason to write an entire movie for. Kirk’s dad was never meant to be anything beyond what we saw in Star Trek ‘09 until they realized he was played by a now famous actor.
#49
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If you drop Hemsworth, you may not have to scrap the script - was Hemsworth really in the role long enough that viewers won't accept another actor? Remember, they replaced Kirstie Alley with Robin Curtis and fans accepted it. I'm in the consensus here - dump Hemsworth and pay for Pine. Hire another actor to play George Kirk.
#50
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If you drop Hemsworth, you may not have to scrap the script - was Hemsworth really in the role long enough that viewers won't accept another actor? Remember, they replaced Kirstie Alley with Robin Curtis and fans accepted it. I'm in the consensus here - dump Hemsworth and pay for Pine. Hire another actor to play George Kirk.
Last edited by Obi-Wanma; 08-12-18 at 01:46 PM.