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If all you can offer in an evaluation of art is a purely subjective opinion, then you are not offering an evaluation at all.

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Don't tell me how to art, man.

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Good points and I agree that professional critics are usually able to better explain why they do or don't like a particular movie.

Mostly I just find it surprising that some movies that aren't particularly well reviewed still become so financially successful, especially if they aren't just a single movie that could be a fluke, but are a series like Transformers that is still very financially successful. But as others pointed out, sometimes professional critics and "average" movie audiences are just looking for different things in a movie.

As I mentioned before, I only asked about it because with many of the negative reviews for Batman v Superman, there have been a lot of backlash from fans, and wondered what people here thought of the issue. And while it is uncertain how financially successful Batman v Superman will ultimately be, it looks like it will likely be another "exception" where the critics and general audiences "disagree" about the movie, if Rotten Tomatoes is to believed, with 28% approval from critics, but a 72% audience score:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batm...wn_of_justice/

Thanks again for all of the replies.

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I think Batman v Superman came out of left field for critics in terms of superhero movies. They were expecting a safe imitation of something Marvel would release and got a wholly different movie that hasn't been seen before in the superhero film genre.

That allowed them to trash it if they disliked blockbuster superhero movies. I'm sure some disliked the movie itself, but many of the reviews I read went way over the top in their dismissal of BvS. It felt like they were unwinding some of their pent-up anger.

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Not at all, Deadpool is a much better example of something that hasn't been seen in a superhero film and was extremely well reviewed. There wasn't anything atypical about Batman V Superman at all, in my opinion, especially compared Man of Steel that preceded it in tone and themes.

Your assumptions about reviewers, as in the other main Batman V Superman thread, are way off base.

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Yeah, give me a break. I'm sure there were a few critics who went a bit overboard to get some extra hits on their site, but you don't get SO many bad reviews because the critics "didn't get it" or were "unwinding pent-up anger". Zack Snyder is a hack filmmaker and the critics called him on it.

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Regarding that list of movies listed with the scores from Rotten Tomatoes, when looking at the scores for the Top 25 All Time Worldwide Box Office movies, I noticed that seven of those movies has a score of less than 60, and one has a score of 64. So of the top 25 highest grossing movies worldwide, eight of them have a score of 64 or less, which wasn't originally mentioned.

Top 25 Highest Grossing Movies:

Avatar - 83%
Titanic - 88%
Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 92%
Jurassic World - 72%
The Avengers - 92%
Furious 7 - 81%
Avengers: Age of Ultron - 75%
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 - 96%
Frozen - 89%
Iron Man 3 - 79%
Minions - 55%
Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 35%
The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King - 95%
Skyfall - 93%
Transformers: Age Of Extinction - 18%
The Dark Knight Rises - 87%
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - 54%
Toy Story 3 - 99%
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - 32%
Jurassic Park - 93%
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace - 56%
Alice In Wonderland -52%
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - 64%
The Dark Knight - 94%
The Lion King - 91%

Highest Grossing Movies Worldwide:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

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Who the fuck didn't like Toy Story 3? I'll bet it was Armond White.

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The only film of his I really found embarrassing was 300. Never saw Sucker Punch. There's a lot of hate for Zack Snyder. Even when he makes a near-perfect adaptation of a graphic novel, Watchmen, he got eviscerated because it was too much like the graphic novel. When so many people consider a director a "hack", why would they ever give him credit for future films?

And no, film criticism is a joke in today's world. All the good ones have past and no one really picked up the mantel, or maybe I'm at an age where I don't need to rely on a "critic" to peek my interest. I respect the opinions of members on this board more than I do critics linked on Rotten Tomatoes, frankly because they have no agenda other than to post their thoughts and opinions. I may agree or disagree with opinions here, but the level of snark on here is at a minimum.

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And when things get too snarky, they lock the Ghostbusters thread.

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I believe it was. :lol:

It's funny, 300 is the only film of his I enjoy. I could have done without Lena Headey hate fucking the dude from The Wire, but otherwise it was a fun action movie with a unique look.

But Sucker Punch was an abomination. It's a film that glorifies rape under the guise of empowering women. It is disgusting. Of course it's all hidden under layers of CGI wankery, but at its core, it's a film about women being raped repeatedly, and it's fucking gleeful about it. I've rarely had such a viscerally negative reaction to any movie, because most of the time, bad movies are just bad. Sucker Punch wasn't just bad, it was deeply offensive (IMO). And Snyder wrote that script, he didn't just direct it. I'd honestly rather watch a Tinto Brass film because at least he doesn't try to wink wink his way out of the fact that he's making porn.

Watchmen suffers from the fact that Snyder is incapable of discerning any meaning from a pre-existing work of art that isn't on the surface. He made it look and sound like Watchmen, but he missed so much of what made the book a revolutionary work. And from the reviews I've read and people I've talked to, it sounds like he did the same thing with The Dark Knight Returns. He has no sense of depth as an artist/filmmaker, and it's apparent in his films.

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Re-read my post. No foreign box office.

There is no reason to expect English speaking critics reviewing English Language films to have much in common with the tastes of foreign audiences.

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Watchmen had a lot of issues, primarily it was shot properly but he never recognized Film as a different medium than the Graphic Novel.

There was nothing to invest in any of the characters, there was no build up or anticipation, it was all very one note and somewhat corny. But I liked the story, due to the source material, it was just told in monotone. The man doesn't care about anything to do with directing outside of making things look cool, unfortunately there is a lot more to it. And it's also why 300 is more or less his greatest success. I remember a lot of people enjoying the Dawn of the Dead remake, but I had a similar issue with that -- I enjoyed the opening 10 minutes and then it flatlined.


I honestly was hoping Snyder's take on Superman was going to help him find his footing, but it really didn't.

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I guess it is debatable as to what is considered a "blockbuster" movie now. Anyway, thank you for all of your very thoughtful replies.

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Fixed. Homophones are tricky.

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I thought this article was kinda spot on..

http://variety.com/2016/film/columns...ck-1201740023/

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The only Hack Snyder film I enjoy is his Dawn of the Dead remake.

The rest of his output varies in quality from soft, sandy turd to straight up liquid diarrhea.

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That's the only one of his that I've seen and thought it was awful. If that's his best...............

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I am not a fan of Snyder, I didn't even like 300. I actually thought Man of Steel was his best movie, but then I'm one of those people who thinks Superman is a boring character, so I liked the more serious, angsty approach.

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Man of Steel currently has a 56% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which isn't a particularly high score. Batman v Superman has a 28% rating. That is a score mostly given to brain-dead cinema like the Transformers movies.

Please explain then why critics generally think BvS is nearly twice as bad as Man of Steel? I have a very strong hunch it will end up far more popular with fans in the long run.

The longer cut on home video will only make it more popular with fans. It's clear some of the plot was left on the cutting room floor.

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See, you're misunderstanding RT. It's not that critics think BvS is twice as bad as Man of Steel, it's that 56% of the critics who reviews MoS liked it, whereas only 28% of the critics who reviewed BvS liked it.

I just saw your post about how Watchmen is a "misunderstood masterpiece" and "Dawn of the Dead is the best modern horror remake", so clearly you like Zack Snyder a LOT. And that's cool. But you're in the minority with that opinion. There's no conspiracy, no secret cabal, no plot on the part of the critics. Plain and simple, the majority of them didn't like BvS. Just because you liked it doesn't make them wrong, or mean there must be some secret reason why they really liked it but then decided to trash it anyway.

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Rotten tomatoes %s is simply a representation of how many people recommend a movie.

56% of the critics that saw Man of Steel recommend the movie.
It scored a 6.2 out of 10 average.

29% of the critics that saw BvS recommend the movie.
It scored a 5 out of 10 average. A 1.2 point deviation, half would be 3.1.

If you remove the fan goggles, it's a pretty messy piece of film making. Sure, the Directors cut may fix that, but as it stands it's pretty much a film of check boxes and little else. It's kind of like the difference between Sam Worthington reading you the phone book vs. Morgan Freeman.

It also has a lot of the same issues as Watchmen, which while accurate to the source material, fails to give most viewers anything to care about. But at least it looks cool in spots.

Regardless, who gives a fuck, if you enjoyed it - you enjoyed it. I liked the fucking Cobbler for fucks sake.

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MoS has an average rating of 6.2/10
BvS Has an average rating of 5/10

6/10 is the dividing line between fresh and rotten.

So while the average review of BvS is that it is just a little bit worse than MoS, that difference on the rotten/fresh line results in twice as many rotten reviews.

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I swear he says "Commerical BLACKLash" the second time - which would have been a perfect term for this year's Oscar noms. ;)

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:lol: Thanks, I meant to type passed. Mantle I blame on autocorrect. Peeked was just silly on my part.